Which one is allround best Casio EX F1 or Panasonic FZ50?

tameside · Apr 9, 2008

Gene,

Are you "winding"people up, or taking the "michael"?

Has every photo got to have a focal point in absolute pin-pont focus? I know what your thinking or driving at but you can have wide-area focus on my dslr, I don't know about the d50/d40 but I presume so. This raises again the whole issue of dof with dslr's, as you know it's difficult to control, in fact I do not like the shots from the Nikon d3, the dof is so shallow as to be annoying. I actually like a large dof in the correct circumstances and that picture is as good an example of large dof as you will get.

Some people are being over critical of composure. As we all now know the Spanish guy has stopped down the lense and achived nice sharp Aperture priority.

shots. I am guessing this is how you prefer your shots and in your hands would be used for 90% of your photos.

Gene, I think you'll love the f1, you know you want on?(smile)

Deanis · Apr 9, 2008

Its lacking detail.

It must be a noise reduction techniche, because the edges of objects appear quite sharp, but the textures inside these areas appear VERY blurry and blotchy.

Not helped by the fact deshawn insists on using ISO200 and 400 in perfectly well-lit areas.

I could post pics of my 5MP FZ5, that would kick sand in this camera's face, AND it doesnt have the purple fringing.

(Yes its also lacking EVERYTHING else the Casio has, and it has pretty limited manual controls).
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genece · Apr 9, 2008

I did so want one, but the photos I have seen so far are very disappointing to me....will not work for my intended usage (wildlife).

I keep saying, I will not comment anymore as I am sure folks are quite tired of my bellyaching, but I can not help myself.......I can not imagine that the lens is that bad .....it must be some setting somewhere.....or the NR.....either way its not what I hoped for.

Such an inovative camera , but so poor IQ.........perhaps it will lead to a new group of consumer cameras.....maybe 10 fps and very good IQ. (now that would fit my needs.)

I did like the hippo and mercat photos from the spanish review ,they really gave me hope again.....but a half dozen good photos does not make a good camera.

I do understand the DOF thing a bit, and I do not think thats the problem here ...most likely the on chip NR.....

I just have to quit this complaining ,I have been on the other end of the Naysayers and I was not amused either.

tameside said:
Gene, I think you'll love the f1, you know you want on?(smile)

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Gene from Western Pa

http://imageevent.com/grc6
http://grc225.zenfolio.com/
FZ10....20 and 30 and FZ18

D50 ....D80 - 18 to 200VR- 50mm 1.8 - 80 to 400 OS

Just trying to learn and it's slow going!

IraqiGeek · Apr 9, 2008

genece said:
I would like to like this camera ,but even this photo.....where is
the focus point ,,,,,,,,there is no detail in the leaves none in the
clock, none in the tree trunk.....even the sign at the rear that I
thought might have been the focal point......just not a high quality
photo of course its shot at ISO200.......

To me it looks the focal point was the clock.

Looking at the EXIF data, I noticed saturation was set high and sharpness was set to "hard". That might have an effect on killing low contrast detail?

genece said:
And those that do not think 6 mp are enough for detail.....ever hear
of the D50/D40 or the FZ20 (5mp)

I agree, 6MP provides plenty of detail. The D40/D50/D70(s) and KM 5D/7D are all 6MP cameras and all provide loads of detail. The D2h is "only" 4MP but also provides plenty of detail.

genece said:
cajrix said:

good level of detail i think, am i wrong?

http://www.deshawn.smugmug.com/gallery/4660027_wSaHG#277003584_rUKes-O-LB

Click to expand...

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ThomasWi · Apr 9, 2008

Here is an new sample, jpeg, resampled, i'll upload the raw if someone will see it.

For my use, the cam is pretty good.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7245/cimg1085xo7.jpg]

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Greets from Hannover
Thomas

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english...

cajrix · Apr 9, 2008

nice cat, good for me too

tameside · Apr 9, 2008

Yes, would love to see the raw samples and anything else you want to post.

Your English is very good.

Thanks, like it alot!

Surely a camera that takes such excellent stills cannot take hi-def video as well(smile)?

Deanis · Apr 9, 2008

That cat shot wasnt bad, but it does show the shallow depth of field. The left side of the cat is already very out of focus (that or the lens is very soft on that side).
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tameside · Apr 9, 2008

thomas what was your focus setting on the cat, can you remember? and about how far away were you out of interest.

genece · Apr 9, 2008

Have anymore like that........you have peaked my interest again.

I do not need Raw nor am I worried about the DOF......just some more examples of live things, would be nice.
I can see the NR in action but it is ISO200.

I also have always believed the contrast should be set on low and adjusted in an editor. but perhaps not the case with this camera.

Is there an option to turn off NR or is it an on chip deal that can not be adjusted?
Thank you

Gene from Western Pa

http://imageevent.com/grc6
http://grc225.zenfolio.com/
FZ10....20 and 30 and FZ18

D50 ....D80 - 18 to 200VR- 50mm 1.8 - 80 to 400 OS

Just trying to learn and it's slow going!

ThomasWi · Apr 9, 2008

tameside said:
thomas what was your focus setting on the cat, can you remember? and
about how far away were you out of interest.

The picture is taken from three meters distance. Focus was af-spot, all other settings full auto.

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Greets from Hannover
Thomas

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english...

Deanis · Apr 9, 2008

Typical Casio fair would say that you cant turn off the NR. Perhaps shooting in RAW disables it?
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skrubol · Apr 9, 2008

Where do you get 4-5 stops? If you use the shutter speed

tameside said:
Deshawn,

Anybody notice that the piper is shot at 432(equiv) at 1/160, 4-5
stops is!

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ThomasWi · Apr 9, 2008

I'm less in time in the moment. This picture is compressd jpeg, not direkt from the chip. I'll post the original jpeg an the raw later.

The settings of contrast, saturation and color was all +1 in the cam. I have no option found to turn the noise reduction off. Other settings was all "auto". I think, i have to play with the setup, have do manuell settings of ISO and so on. I am sure, there is more quality in this cam

Think on it: My main interest is video, not stills. I test this cam for video as a second device to film some "spots", my primary cam (a HD video cam) will record at same time other scenes. The still quality is a "nice to have feature" for me and i will take time to learn something about it.

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Greets from Hannover
Thomas

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english...

genece · Apr 9, 2008

I do understand we each want something different in a camera..... I am glad it suits your needs and I will keep watching, perhaps it will fit mine.

I am not worried about JPEG compression and I do not want to process each file from RAW.....but I will gladly look at what you have to post.
Thanks again.

ThomasWi said:
Think on it: My main interest is video, not stills. I test this cam
for video as a second device to film some "spots", my primary cam (a
HD video cam) will record at same time other scenes. The still
quality is a "nice to have feature" for me and i will take time to
learn something about it.

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Greets from Hannover
Thomas

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english...

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Gene from Western Pa

http://imageevent.com/grc6
http://grc225.zenfolio.com/
FZ10....20 and 30 and FZ18

D50 ....D80 - 18 to 200VR- 50mm 1.8 - 80 to 400 OS

Just trying to learn and it's slow going!

ThomasWi · Apr 9, 2008

tameside said:
Yes, would love to see the raw samples and anything else you want to
post.

Ok, here is the original jpeg from the chip and the raw (from my cat)

http://rapidshare.com/files/106154913/cat.zip (12mb)

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Greets from Hannover
Thomas

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english...

Deanis · Apr 9, 2008

Gene what ARE you considering the F1 for?

Obviously not image quality. But will you use it's other gimmicky enough for it to be a worthwhile purchase?
Maybe the Panasonic L1 would suit your needs more?
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Heading out for band photography and capturing everything in-between.

genece · Apr 9, 2008

I wanted it for the burst mode....and I thought a 6 mp Cmos sensor would be a good choice, but it seems I was wrong.......

I have no interest in movies or really the 60 fps but 8 to 10 fps would be very useful to me..... but I need better IQ.

Actually it would have been my wifes camera but I have to pay for it and I will not pay for the IQ I have seen so far.....

I can see this forum believes as long as the noise is minimal, its a good photo.....thats not the way I feel.

The wife can keep using the FZ18 or 30 (Her choice) and I will use the D80......its been a good combo so far.

But, I hope this camera may well wake up Panasonic or some other co. to put out something similar but with better IQ.
The F1 fills a need, but not mine.

Deanis said:
Gene what ARE you considering the F1 for?
Obviously not image quality. But will you use it's other gimmicky
enough for it to be a worthwhile purchase?
Maybe the Panasonic L1 would suit your needs more?
--
Heading out for band photography and capturing everything in-between.

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Gene from Western Pa

http://imageevent.com/grc6
http://grc225.zenfolio.com/
FZ10....20 and 30 and FZ18

D50 ....D80 - 18 to 200VR- 50mm 1.8 - 80 to 400 OS

Just trying to learn and it's slow going!

Babybluecollar · Apr 9, 2008

@genece

I understand that this is not the camera for you, but I am honestly not understanding why you are so adamant about bashing it.

The image quality is pretty good for what the camera is trying to do. Face it, you are never going to get professional quality images straight from the camera with any of the small sensor cameras. In fact most of the DSLRs that are in the "prosumer affordable" market really aren't up to task as well. And really... film (despite all its disadvantages) is still superior in terms of pure resolution, image quality, dynamic range, etc.

The F1 is really a fantastic piece of hardware. Pretty good photos, excellent burst modes, and pretty good videos at HD and high speed in a light somewhat compact package for 999 is pretty incredible. Get it or don't. I certainly did because I really hope that it is the future of digital cameras, taking digital photography to a level where we aren't trying to best film, but really capitalizing on the digital part of photography and all the new doors that opens.

Chris Hulley · Apr 9, 2008

I'd say that about sums it up. If high fps and HD movies aren't important to you at all, the IQ of this camera is low. You'd be far batter off not paying for those features and getting a camera that has a higher personal IQ. If movies are not important to you at all, then a DSLR is the only way to go.

For me, the high FPS, long burst (at, say 5 fps), light weight, great movie modes, long zoom and all the other stuff that's basically new in this camera are very valuable to me. Its IQ as far as I'm concerned is high. The IQ of a DSLR, however good, is to me, low.

Which one is allround best Casio EX F1 or Panasonic FZ50?

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