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Professional Photography and Passerbys
- Thread starter Vegasluv
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Michael_J
Senior Member
Says who?
And as far as someone who always finds something to pick on, try reading some of your own posts. Your Tiger Woods tirades are some fine examples.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I'm sure there are some people who don't want you here either - But it's not my place to say "nobody" wants you here.
For the record, I do want you here, you are very entertaining.
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
And as far as someone who always finds something to pick on, try reading some of your own posts. Your Tiger Woods tirades are some fine examples.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I'm sure there are some people who don't want you here either - But it's not my place to say "nobody" wants you here.
For the record, I do want you here, you are very entertaining.
--nobody wants him here, and he always finds something to pick on.
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http://notsharing.anymore.tired.of.the.abuse.com
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
Michael_J
Senior Member
Boy did you get THAT wrong. The OP never thought (yes I can read minds) he owned the beach - he was just frustrated at peoples behaviors, most courteous people pause or walk around people taking pictures - especially wedding parties.The facts are an 8000 pound gorilla.
You cant ignore them even when you dont like them.
You thought that Tiger Woods was intefering with a photographer doing
his job when in actuality the photographer interfered with Tiger.
Shows that you have everything backwards.
Just like this guy thinking he owned the beach.
Your priorities if not ethics are in question.
--I would love to see Tiger come to your shoots and start whacking golf
balls at you. Let you see what it is like from the other side.
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
Michael_J
Senior Member
$440 hour.Should I want to book a local park where I live for wedding portraits
or family portraits, I need a permit from the local council and rates
range from $50 per hour to $440 per hour. Some even have a minimum
booking.
They should haul around your equipment, fetch you a coke and maybe take an underexposed picture or two. :-D
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
Michael_J
Senior Member
... hmmm, perhaps I was wrong, maybe nobody does want you here? ;-)
The citizens own the beach. The photographer and wedding party are citizens, ergo, the photographer and wedding party own the beach - no permit required and they can have the "undesirables" herded away for the time needed for the photo shoot.
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
The citizens own the beach. The photographer and wedding party are citizens, ergo, the photographer and wedding party own the beach - no permit required and they can have the "undesirables" herded away for the time needed for the photo shoot.
----Anyone with any sense of class would purpose to stay out of the way
of someone like that.
it's not like there isn't a lot of other beach real estate nearby.
It's that kind of attitude that is why so many people seem to never
have been instructed on common decency, social grace, and manners
nowadays.
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Jeremiah 1:5
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illegitimati non carborundum est
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
Michael_J
Senior Member
This is ABSOLUTELY running your business. Not all businesses are conducted within the confines of an office. The photographer with all his gear and the wedding party dresses to the nines, were not gathered on the beach to freely TALK.No, it's an old one. And well protected in most countries.If you want to take pictures for your personal use thats fine. If you
want to run your bizness on public property (customers = business)
expect to pay to play. Wedding pics as free speech? That's a new one!
This is not "running your business" - that's what offices are for.
The wedding photographer, the landscape photographer, the newspaper
photographer, the blog photographer, the I-don't-have-an-outlet
photographer and the painter and sketch artist are all entitled to
make and take images of and from public places.
The photographer was working, doing his job, doing his business.
Ever try to shoot a major motion picture on location in NYC? Me either. BUT, permits ARE required, they just can't show up wearing a "FREE SPEECH" T-shirt and role cameras.
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
5D Monster
Senior Member
Yes some places charge this much per hour, but the average is around $220 an hour. Its just a fact of the biz, and brides pay to go to these parks... I dont care though, I dont pay it normally, and if i do, i just oncharge the B&G the fees with the original invoice.$440 hour.Should I want to book a local park where I live for wedding portraits
or family portraits, I need a permit from the local council and rates
range from $50 per hour to $440 per hour. Some even have a minimum
booking.
They should haul around your equipment, fetch you a coke and maybe
take an underexposed picture or two. :-D
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http://notsharing.anymore.tired.of.the.abuse.com
5D Monster
Senior Member
yeah, im too young to retire right now... so a nice compo claim would be great to invest for retirment..
http://notsharing.anymore.tired.of.the.abuse.com
----wouldnt bother me, thats what the assistants for... taking the hits
while I do my job...
and if he did hit me, I would just do the typical american thing and
sue him for everything hes got... might be an easy way to get my
retirement fund going...
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http://notsharing.anymore.tired.of.the.abuse.com
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
http://notsharing.anymore.tired.of.the.abuse.com
People go to teh beach to get in the water.
You should have moved a few hundred yards farther up the beach and stop trying to boss around the OWNERS of the beach.
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You should have moved a few hundred yards farther up the beach and stop trying to boss around the OWNERS of the beach.
--I had two assistants POLITELY ask the beachgoers to go around the
photographer. But no, these people wanted to walk in the water. There
was at least ten feet of space behind me where they could have walked
around and NOT mess up the image.
When I see a photographer (it doesn't matter if they are professional
or a tourist), I respect their desire to shoot images and NEVER get
in their way.
Yes, the majority of people out there are very inconsiderate. All one
has to do is look into public restrooms and see how these people do
not even care about the next user. So long as their needs are met,
who cares about the next person?
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You won't believe this but I have shot wedding parties at Forest Lawn. This is a cemetery most commonly known as Cemetery to the Stars because so many famous people are buried there.
You can get married in a church on the grounds. On wedding days (Saturdays) Forest Lawn usually makes sure NO funerals are taking place.
The other solution is to shoot the wedding party during the week when everyone is at work!
You can get married in a church on the grounds. On wedding days (Saturdays) Forest Lawn usually makes sure NO funerals are taking place.
The other solution is to shoot the wedding party during the week when everyone is at work!
mottjr
Leading Member
Is this some sort of Southern Hemisphere version of Godwin's Law? Do all of the arguments between the two of you end up here? Just curious.he who comes from NZ... go find some sheep
5D Monster
Senior Member
edleg
Leading Member
We live near a California beach (actually I think a state park) that is periodically used by major motion picture makers to film in the sand dunes. They pay BIG bucks to the state (and local governments) for exclusive use and privacy. It is a pain for us locals because the park entrances are completely shut down and security (hired local law enforcement) keeps everyone out during the filming.
Now that is how you keep people out of your background.
Someday I hope to have a fenced acre or so of land for an outdoor studio where I can build many different kinds of outdoor scenes including beach and waterfall backdrops.
Now that is how you keep people out of your background.
Someday I hope to have a fenced acre or so of land for an outdoor studio where I can build many different kinds of outdoor scenes including beach and waterfall backdrops.
LiveM
Senior Member
You are confusing conducting with running.Not all businesses are
conducted within the confines of an office.
You are confusing talking with speech.The photographer with all
his gear and the wedding party dresses to the nines, were not
gathered on the beach to freely TALK.
See above.The photographer was working, doing his job, doing his business.
You're confusing documenting with staged production.Ever try to shoot a major motion picture on location in NYC? Me
either. BUT, permits ARE required, they just can't show up wearing a
"FREE SPEECH" T-shirt and role cameras.
LiveM
Senior Member
You have clearly run out of ideas.he who comes from NZ... go find some sheep
You'll be lucky if anyone is left alive there next century. When you arrive on our doorstep begging to be let in, I'll be the first to enlist for the national guard.no I dont and this same thing happens all around the world, not just
Australia the lucky country... lucky becasue we dont have stupid
idiots like you here...
As the saying goes, people that travel from NZ to Australia raise the average IQ of both countries.
5D Monster
Senior Member
wont bother me anyway, I will be dead next century... so are you going to join the national guard from your grave??? a little "bedknobs and broomsticks" action...You'll be lucky if anyone is left alive there next century. When you
arrive on our doorstep begging to be let in, I'll be the first to
enlist for the national guard.
Yeah, what a shame all the real workers from NZ come to Australia to earn the real money and pay Australian taxes... the only good thing about NZ is the flight home...As the saying goes, people that travel from NZ to Australia raise the
average IQ of both countries.
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5D Monster
Senior Member
I've never heard of any kind of permit or insurance being required to shoot photos on public land in the U.S.A. I shoot photos on public land all the time and not only are no permits required, there usually isn't another human being for many miles.
It sounds you live in a very restrictive country. I prefer freedom.
It sounds you live in a very restrictive country. I prefer freedom.
Its now common to pay for permits to use public land for commercial
enterprise.
Some even require public liability insurance.
--A few months ago I shot a wedding party at the beach. I pulled a
permit (cost $125) that allowed me to shoot for 2 hours at a
specified time on a very popular beach in S. California.
I took the bride and groom and their entourage down to the beach (8
bridesmaids and 8 groomsmen). I found a perfect spot where no one was
wandering around. As I started shooting, people started to walk right
behind my subjects. And they started congregating on the rocks behind
where I was shooting. This required that I Photo Shop them out
costing me time and energy.
You would think that when you see a wedding party, walk BEHIND the
photographer and do NOT get in the way. So why do these people do
this? Sure, it is a public beach and they have the right to enjoy the
beach BUT they should also respect that a groom and his bride chose
the beach for their wedding pictures.
http://notsharing.anymore.tired.of.the.abuse.com
You make it sound like more restrictions are a good thing. Seems to me that Australia is the country still in the dark ages, from the way you describe it. Fewer freedoms are not the sign of an advanced country.Tell that to australian local councils, and they will argue that aA local park is not a beach. It is an enclosed area with limited access.Should I want to book a local park where I live for wedding portraits
or family portraits, I need a permit from the local council and rates
range from $50 per hour to $440 per hour. Some even have a minimum
booking.
beach is no different to a local park.
I guess NZ is still in the dark ages still then...They can only sue the council because the council controls the parkThey also require you to provide proof of liability insurance, for
the odd chance someone may trip over your bag or tripod and sue the
council. Its a new world, get with the times. NZ laws may be different from the rest of the developed world, and thus thats why they are still just a spot on the map that most people dont even care about...
and issued the permit. It's a non-issue on the beach. Further, that
is your country and your state. In NZ we don't have your pitfalls of
"liability" as it is recognised that with living comes risk and
ascribing fault to a pure accident is pointless. Moreover, you will
find that British Commonwealth common law stipulates that when one
knows of the presence of a risk, such as parking one's car near the
side of a play area where people are kicking a ball about, then if
the ball should accidentally damage your car then it is your problem.
As for british common law, it doesnt mean squatt, even in australia
which is still part of the commonwealth (big scam by the queen mind
you)... if you trip over on the sidewalk because its wet, you sue the
council becasuse they didnt put anti slip sealing over the path... if
you dive in a beach drunk and break you neck, became a quadraplegic,
you sue the council for not putting up a sign for telling you not to
swim while drunk... if you walk into a shop fixture and cut your leg,
yuo sue to shop for impropper care of duty by putting a shop fixture
in your way... if a cricket ball or gold ball breaks your window, yuo
beat the living cr@p out of the person who did it and then give them
the repair bill...
Enough said!!!
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