Nikon SB-400 test shots for indoor bounce with and without DIY diffusers

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I'm extremely happy with the performance of my SB-400 when taking photos of family and friends. The bounce works really well (even in portrait mode without a diffuser, in many cases). However, on occasion I'll see a photo where the light is coming a bit too much from above. Upward bounce shots are always going to have an overhead bias, and they usually look great in spite of it, but some times (every time for some people) you'll want a little extra light from the front, which will require some tweaking.

If you're like me, you have an appreciation for lightweight, low-cost (preferably free) alternatives for enhancing your flash output. I've tried many DIY techniques, but up until now I hadn't done a close side-by-side comparison of their output. So to help make things a bit more objective, I took dozens of comparison shots using different DIY diffusion techniques and different flash settings. I've compiled the most meaningful results into the image below. These shots were taken about 4 feet from the subject, with a wall about 5 feet behind the subject (a common social snapshot scenario I'd guess). All diffusers had the flash in the 90 degree position.



When looking at these photos I tend to examine the shadow under the bear's chin, since this is the type of thing we are hoping to meddle with. Also take note the texture of the fur and the amount of reflection it shows (this would be better if it were skin, but I don't think my wife wants to be seen on the internet, hah!).

Both white bounce cards disappointed me in this test. I was hoping to increase the surface area of the light in order to soften the shadows, but what happened is that both cards increased the intensity of the forward-facing light too much. You can see this in the photos; the brightness of the bear is overwhelming the ambient light of the wall behind him. The white cards look better than direct flash, but not by much.

To remedy the extensive light intensity I tried to find something less reflective for diffusion; in this case, some black construction paper. I think the switch to black actually worked. The forward output is lessened, and you end up with a nicely-lit bear face that balances well with the ambient light.

One thing I also noticed about the paper diffusers is that their output varied wildly depending on the precise angle the paper was at. At 90 degrees you get one look, but if it flops back 10 to 20 degrees you might as well not be using it at all! This inconsistency is definitely a concern.

What surprised me most was the results of the flash tilt settings. The 90 degree setting demonstrates what we are trying to improve: a generally attractive image with a few too many shadows underneath the bear's chin and tufts of fur. However, one tiny click of the flash position and things improve dramatically! The 75 and 60 degree settings both do an excellent job of illuminating the bear from more angles without drowning out the ambient light. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the 60 and 75 degree settings are tied with the black card for the best looking of the bunch (the 60 degree looks almost identical to the black card!).

What I also found interesting in my tests is that the 60 and 75 degree settings (no diffuser) looked great regardless of whether I was only a few feet away or whether I was across the room. I had always assumed that the bounce angle was only good for projecting light further for cases where you were relatively far from the indoor subject. I was wrong! What is actually happening here (and you can see it if you look in the mirror) is that the angled settings are actually exposing a sliver of the primary light source to the subject. This works great!

It's worth noting is that, despite a much larger surface area, the large white card did not significantly improve the look of the shadows. If you look at the shadow on the wall, it is slightly better than the small white card, but if you compare it to the bare 60 degree setting you'll see that not only does the bear's chin shadow look just as good, but the better light balance makes the wall shadow look better too!

So one of my conclusions is that the surface area difference between the bare flash and the large white card is not significant enough to make a noticeable difference on a complex subject (a bear, at least) at this distance. Yes there is a difference, but unless your subject is standing right up against a wall it is difficult to see. Have a look for yourself:



The 60 degree setting has more defined edges to the shadow, but again, it still looks better than the large white card. The lesson here is to avoid taking portraits with people standing against a wall unless you have a fancy light setup. Or you can try a large black card for less forward intensity. That'll be next on my list.
 
Excellent test - thank you very much for doing this. I had noticed a white business card bounce didn't help much and had stopped using it. Do you have the Stofen diffuser to include in the test? I haven't had much time to play with mine, but in a pinch of quick tests for a fast directory photo, I found I liked the look of the Stofen with the flash angled up about 75 degrees better than a bounce with a business card. I'll have to try again without anything but a straight bounce and see what I think as I don't think I tested that, assuming the bounce card would have to be better than a straight bounce. I'm not sure if angling the flash inside the diffuser does anything or not (as opposed to straight on), but I had about 1 minute to do a few quick tests...
 
I don't own the Stofen, Lumiquest, or Light Sphere but I wish I did so that I could include them in the test.

My guess about the Stofen is that it may have a great look to the shots, but it will do almost nothing to soften the forward-facing light (as with the angled bounce test shots I have). This is because it's not adding much surface area to the light source, unless you count extra objects around the room that may get bounced on thanks to the extra diffusion. One thing the Stofen will definitely do is dim the overall light, reducing the reach of the flash.

Obviously I have no real idea since I don't own it, but I'm guessing the Stofen shot will look fairly similar to either the 60 degree or 75 degree bare-flash shots, which both look nice to me. If you could post a comparison that would be great!
Excellent test - thank you very much for doing this. I had noticed a
white business card bounce didn't help much and had stopped using it.
Do you have the Stofen diffuser to include in the test? I haven't had
much time to play with mine, but in a pinch of quick tests for a fast
directory photo, I found I liked the look of the Stofen with the
flash angled up about 75 degrees better than a bounce with a business
card. I'll have to try again without anything but a straight bounce
and see what I think as I don't think I tested that, assuming the
bounce card would have to be better than a straight bounce. I'm not
sure if angling the flash inside the diffuser does anything or not
(as opposed to straight on), but I had about 1 minute to do a few
quick tests...
 
Alright, here are the comparison shots up against the printer paper "soft box" Ken describes*. I included portrait shots this time.



I still prefer the 75 and 60 degree bare-flash bounce shots. Interesting to note that portrait mode looks good even though there's no wall on my left! It's just bouncing off furniture and far off stuff, I guess.

The reason the printer paper diffuser looks the worst here is because it leans forward, which cuts off light from the vertical bounce. The result is a poor balance between frontal flash and bounce flash, although, like the large white card, it does soften the edges of the shadows.

I imagine the forward-leaning paper diffuser might be competitive with the 60/75 settings if it were used outside, but as I stated earlier, I don't think the soft edges have a huge effect in comparison to just getting the light balance correct between the foreground and the background.

Ken's diffuser was actually the first thing I tried with the SB-400. I was unhappy with the process of taping an untaping it though, and I didn't like how it flopped about. That's what drove me to create the "large white card" diffuser, which, incidentally, can also be tilted forward at an angle, which provides similar results to Ken's diffuser (if one so desires).
Can you test using this large bounce card instead of the one you made
yourself?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/sb400.htm#card

I've used this card for portraits and I liked very much how the
subjects looked. It seems better angled to widen the light like a
small umbrella than the large bounce card you made.
Dave
 
Hi,

I'm a newbie and got this link from the entrylevel Nikon DSLR forum about the SB400. I'm interested in this flash because my experience with the onboard flash on the D50 is that its pretty harsh. I have read through your excellent comparisons (thank you sooooo much for doing this!!!) and if I understand them correctly, you are having consistently good results with the 75 degree angle. In the first test, I couldn't discern an appreciable difference between this and the black card. In the last test, it also seemed the best at rendering the true peachish color of the bear. I'm hoping I remember this correctly. It seems that the black card must absorb about the same amount of light as turning the flash 75degrees. what is missing is the without the flash shot - because my next question would be, would you just keep the flash on at 75 degrees as your default position? I am a sucker for the least-complicated solution, so I would. I can imagine the cards falling out and flopping over while I'm shooting. But I'm guessing that your 75degrees best result may be directly dependent on your ambient light, and that everyone else will have to take a series of test shots in their environment. Or could we be so lucky as to have it apply across the board? I would also be curious about the Stofen diffuser - whether this would give a consistent result regardless of ambient light.
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SophieZ
 
I'm a newbie and got this link from the entrylevel Nikon DSLR forum
about the SB400. I'm interested in this flash because my experience
with the onboard flash on the D50 is that its pretty harsh.
I'm new to flash bouncing myself, which is exactly what prompted me to start the comparisons. The bounce flash has turned out to be one of my favorite things about upgrading to a DSLR. One of the most problematic photo scenarios in the past has been the casual family/friends portraits and group shots usually taken in houses with inadequate lighting. Now they consistently look great!
I have
read through your excellent comparisons (thank you sooooo much for
doing this!!!) and if I understand them correctly, you are having
consistently good results with the 75 degree angle. In the first
test, I couldn't discern an appreciable difference between this and
the black card. In the last test, it also seemed the best at
rendering the true peachish color of the bear. I'm hoping I remember
this correctly.
You are remembering close enough. To me the 60 degree looks a lot like the black card, and ultimately I'd guess that's my favorite. The 75 is similar, with a bit less frontal intensity. The difference is pretty subtle.
It seems that the black card must absorb about the
same amount of light as turning the flash 75degrees.
Yep, apparently. It's appearing to me that anything that lowers the frontal intensity without blocking the upward bounce light will do the trick. Black construction paper was just the first thing that came to mind.
what is missing
is the without the flash shot - because my next question would be,
would you just keep the flash on at 75 degrees as your default
position?
Flashless shots are definitely a viable option, but unless you are in a well-lit area or have a very fast lens you will have far less consistent results. Natural light can be prettier in a lot of circumstances, but likewise it can be a lot worse-looking that a bounce flash. For most indoor people shots I plan on using bounce flash. If I see a potential shot where there seems to be enough attractive ambient light, I'll quickly switch it off.
I am a sucker for the least-complicated solution, so I
would. I can imagine the cards falling out and flopping over while
I'm shooting.
I agree. Bounce cards, even the small, convenient ones, are just one more thing to keep track of. And that flopping about also affects the look of the picture! So I was pleasantly surprised with the results of the bare-flash angled shots.
But I'm guessing that your 75degrees best result may
be directly dependent on your ambient light, and that everyone else
will have to take a series of test shots in their environment. Or
could we be so lucky as to have it apply across the board?
Test shots are always definitely in order. Especially considering this is a bear and not a person :) There are lots of variables: skin color and texture, room size, distance from subject. In a normal-sized house I've found that light from the bounce flash is enough to overpower the ambient light. If the the ambient light is unusually strong then of course the rules change. You'll be able to tell pretty quickly if you like the results.
I would
also be curious about the Stofen diffuser - whether this would give a
consistent result regardless of ambient light.
I'm curious too. I wish I had a Light Sphere too, but $$$ :) Test shots will still apply regardless of the diffuser you use. No big deal though. So far the SB-400 has been working like magic, and I've had to do little if any tweaking. I haven't had a chance to try many angled-bounce shots with friends and family, but I'm looking forward to it.

On a side note, I've seen pros using the Stofen to take outdoor wedding photos, and this confused me. There is nothing to bounce off of, except maybe the grass. And I've already determined that something like a Stofen doesn't have the surface area to soften the edges of the shadows. So why are they using it outside? My guess is that it's dimming the flash to allow more ambient light into the picture, but I would have thought this type of thing could have been adjusted in the camera's software. Who knows :)
 
There is no reason to use an Omnibounce outside. If you are interested in diffusers, have a look at the Demb Flip It and diffuser, which gives you much more control and is easier to store in your bag than the plastic tupperwares.
 
Yes, agreed. The Demb bounce reflector called the flipit is so adjustable you can just play with it until the light is just what you want. Check out the dembflashproducts website to see how it works. I have abandoned lots of other lighting in favor of this system.
 
I thought so!
There is no reason to use an Omnibounce outside. If you are
interested in diffusers, have a look at the Demb Flip It and
diffuser, which gives you much more control and is easier to store in
your bag than the plastic tupperwares.
 
this lighting bit is definitely the most confusing aspect of photography for me right now, so I'm very grateful to you for all the information. I'll get the SB400 as soon as funds allow. I'm not really getting any good shots indoors with the onboard flash, so I'm eager to try it out - with or without diffusers! thanks again for your very thorough explanations. will post again when I have the flash (but don't hold your breath, may be awhile...)
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SophieZ
 
You might see if you can find a flash cord. I have an SC-17 and the SB-400 works fine on the end of it. If your camera/lens combo isn't too heavy, it's not a big deal to hold the flash in one hand and the camera in the other. This gives you all sorts of freedom about where to point the flash. If you are too close to your subject, you can aim at the upper half of a wall behind you and avoid the dark eyes problem. Solves that portrait orientation problem of the SB-400 too.

I've played some with using gels to make the SB-400 match ambient lighting. One problem I ran into - my first attempt used a small piece of 3/4 CTO on the face of the flash (just taped on). That works well as long as I don't get too close to the subject. When I did, I noticed a blue tint in the subject's face from the light that comes from the edge of the diffuser on the flash (even when it's at 90 degrees, it's casting some light forward and I hadn't gelled that.)

My last comment - you can see color changes in your various shots. I'm not sure what you did with WB here. What I've noticed in my home is that my ceiling is roughly equivalent to a 1/4 CTO gel. That is, if I shoot on flash WB, bounced shots come out a bit warmer than direct. If I put on a 3/4 CTO gel and set WB to tungsten and bounce off the ceiling, a gray card comes out neutral as if I'd put a CTO gel on the flash. So you might want to play with that too.
Thanks for sharing your results with folks.
Dave
 
One problem I ran into - my first attempt used a small
piece of 3/4 CTO on the face of the flash (just taped on). That
works well as long as I don't get too close to the subject. When I
did, I noticed a blue tint in the subject's face from the light that
comes from the edge of the diffuser on the flash (even when it's at
90 degrees, it's casting some light forward and I hadn't gelled that.)
What did you end up doing to get the gel aligned right? And if it covered the whole flash, I'm wondering if you would still have a mixed-light problem when tilting the flash forward a bit, since the gelled upward light would still be altered by the color of the white surface, and the gelled forward light would not.
My last comment - you can see color changes in your various shots.
I'm not sure what you did with WB here.
For these shots I just left it on Auto WB. The colors definitely changed with each method. The ceiling is pretty white (although I'm sure it's a bit off) but it's not as white as my cards, or the direct flash, and maybe there's some light bouncing off my colored walls. And of course all bets are off with bounced portrait-oriented shots.

Although I actually prefer the warmed-up lighting the bounce provided, I'm not against custom setting it or gelling the flash prior to shooting, provided there is time. I'm so used to the screwy WB looks I get from indoor ambient shots that it's hard for me to be unhappy with the WB I get from a relatively consistent bounce flash :)

Thanks for all the tips!
 
It's possible the Auto WB is simply seeing the scene differently when all the light is on the bear and none is on the wall. I may try a few shots with a preset WB (or customized with each flash setting) just to see.
 
I haven't really fixed it. If I'm close to the subject, I just put my hand in front and get rid of the direct light or I've got the flash on the cord and it's pointed well away.

And yes, there are lots of ways to get mixed lighting. I suspect we are always working in mixed lighting. Standing on grass? Next to a yellow wall?
 
Hi!

Tilting the flash 60-75 degrees may not cover the lower part of the wide angle frame?
Thanks for your tests!
 
Hi!
Tilting the flash 60-75 degrees may not cover the lower part of the
wide angle frame?
Hey your instinct was right! Well, sort of. With the 60 degree setting, the 18mm (27mm) frame is overly bright towards the top. But with the 75 degree setting it looks fine. Neither is dim at the bottom though, due to the vertical bounce. I'll post some examples soon.
 
Hot Pixel brought up a good point about wide angle coverage at these settings, so here is a comparison of my three favorite options from the previous test, this time at the wide angle 18mm setting of the kit lens.



As you can see from the shots, the 60 degree shot brightens the top of the frame too much, but both the black card and the 75 degree setting look fine. The problems at 60 degrees go away when you zoom out to 35mm.

So feel free to use the 60 degree setting for anything at 35mm and beyond, but be sure to alter the flash for wide angle shots.
 

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