S6 Predictions

ajax32bt4 · Mar 19, 2008

The replacement for the S5 IS will have to be substantially improved to be competitive in the marketplace. The following I predict may change:

• The sensor will be much larger to accommodate 10 to 12 Mpixels at an ISO of 6400 and resulting in extremely low noise.
• The larger sensor will necessitate the lens and camera size be increased.
• The zoom range will need to be increased to 20X or greater.
• The widest angle will have to be 18mm to 28mm (35mm equivalent).
• The inclusion of RAW.

The above changes if implemented will undoubtedly result in the delay of the introduction of the S5 IS replacement. It probably will not be available until the autumn of this year. However, rewind to the Nikon Coolpix prosumer cameras, the 5700, 8700 and 8800. Nikon decided it was no longer worthwhile to continue the production of prosumer cameras. Canon may also come to the same conclusion for the S series.

DjarumBlack · Mar 19, 2008

Good luck. Larger sensor with 20x zoom would have a huge lens.

Dj

Lee Jay · Mar 19, 2008

ajax32bt4 said:
The replacement for the S5 IS will have to be substantially improved
to be competitive in the marketplace. The following I predict may
change:
• The sensor will be much larger to accommodate 10 to 12 Mpixels at
an ISO of 6400 and resulting in extremely low noise.

Right - full frame.

ajax32bt4 said:
• The larger sensor will necessitate the lens and camera size be
increased.

Like the 5D.

ajax32bt4 said:
• The zoom range will need to be increased to 20X or greater.

5D + 17-40L + 24-105 + 70-200 + 1.4xTC + 1.4x TC - 17-400 range = 23.5x. Check!

ajax32bt4 said:
• The widest angle will have to be 18mm to 28mm (35mm equivalent).

Already got it.

ajax32bt4 said:
• The inclusion of RAW.

That too.

ajax32bt4 said:
The above changes if implemented will undoubtedly result in the delay
of the introduction of the S5 IS replacement. It probably will not
be available until the autumn of this year.

So, you think it'll only take until autumn to shrink my 5D + 17-40L + 24-105L + 70-200L + two 1.4x TCs down to the size of the S5 and have it cost $400 or less?

ajax32bt4 said:
However, rewind to the
Nikon Coolpix prosumer cameras, the 5700, 8700 and 8800. Nikon
decided it was no longer worthwhile to continue the production of
prosumer cameras. Canon may also come to the same conclusion for the
S series.

Given your specs, who could blame them?

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Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)

Photofreak7 · Mar 19, 2008

No disrespect intended but I don't think even one of the things you mentioned will happen on the S6IS. Canon sells enough S3/5's that they aren't worried as much about competition as many might think. Would I like to see the things you mentioned - well yes but I would not be surprised to -only- possibly see a different lens (prob. 15x with no decent WA) and also HD video. Also the lens will likely be slower than f/2.7-3.5. I'm no physic but a 'much' larger sensor is a near zero possibility - look for 'only' a 10MP 1/2.33" CCD on the S6. RAW will likely be avail in a hack at some point but to include it 'in-cam' is highly unlikely (although Canon did surprise me with the flash hot shoe) I guess we will all see soon. BTW I'd rather see Canon 'play it safe' then mess up a good combination in it's 'S' series camera's... Matt

ajax32bt4 said:
The replacement for the S5 IS will have to be substantially improved
to be competitive in the marketplace. The following I predict may
change:
• The sensor will be much larger to accommodate 10 to 12 Mpixels at
an ISO of 6400 and resulting in extremely low noise.
• The larger sensor will necessitate the lens and camera size be
increased.
• The zoom range will need to be increased to 20X or greater.
• The widest angle will have to be 18mm to 28mm (35mm equivalent).
• The inclusion of RAW.
The above changes if implemented will undoubtedly result in the delay
of the introduction of the S5 IS replacement. It probably will not
be available until the autumn of this year. However, rewind to the
Nikon Coolpix prosumer cameras, the 5700, 8700 and 8800. Nikon
decided it was no longer worthwhile to continue the production of
prosumer cameras. Canon may also come to the same conclusion for the
S series.

Photofreak7 · Mar 19, 2008

oops! sorry I meant psychic -not- physic - LOL!

ajax32bt4 · Mar 19, 2008

Check out the Panasonic FZ18! It comes close to my specs. and is currently available.

Lee Jay · Mar 19, 2008

ajax32bt4 said:
Check out the Panasonic FZ18! It comes close to my specs. and is
currently available.

"ISO of 6400 and resulting in extremely low noise."

The FZ18 isn't even in the same galaxy with that one.

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endosquid · Mar 19, 2008

ajax32bt4 said:
• The zoom range will need to be increased to 20X or greater.
• The widest angle will have to be 18mm to 28mm (35mm equivalent).
• The inclusion of RAW.

I thought you seriously thought this.
HIlarious.

Mark B. · Mar 19, 2008

ajax32bt4 said:
Check out the Panasonic FZ18! It comes close to my specs. and is
currently available.

Well no, it doesn't. Same sensor size as the S5.

Mark

HaroldC3 · Mar 19, 2008

I think the Fuji s100fs came close to what you are predicting but they botched the lens. No way on earth are they going have a cam with 20x optical zoom and have anything that resembles good image quality.

Low noise at ISO 6400? Hello I'd settle for low noise at ISO 400! Give me a usable ISO 800 even! Many dslrs don't even have ISO 6400!

You cannot have it both ways for a zoom. Why do you think they have wide angle lenses?! So companies can make money on accessories.

My prediction:

1/2.3" sensor (might use same sensor as G9,A650)
9.1 MP
2.5" articulating LCD
HD output
15x (31mm - 465mm) optical zoom (f2.8 - f4) w/ IS of course
RAW, Hot Shoe, Face Detection, DIGIC III, etc.

There will not be any dramatic differences, MSRP $399

sarlo100 · Mar 19, 2008

ajax32bt4 said:
The replacement for the S5 IS will have to be substantially improved
to be competitive in the marketplace. The following I predict may
change:
• The sensor will be much larger to accommodate 10 to 12 Mpixels at
an ISO of 6400 and resulting in extremely low noise.
• The larger sensor will necessitate the lens and camera size be
increased.
• The zoom range will need to be increased to 20X or greater.
• The widest angle will have to be 18mm to 28mm (35mm equivalent).
• The inclusion of RAW.
The above changes if implemented will undoubtedly result in the delay
of the introduction of the S5 IS replacement. It probably will not
be available until the autumn of this year. However, rewind to the
Nikon Coolpix prosumer cameras, the 5700, 8700 and 8800. Nikon
decided it was no longer worthwhile to continue the production of
prosumer cameras. Canon may also come to the same conclusion for the
S series.

Methinks someone failed high school physics...

This combination is not even close to possible. Keep dreaming!

Photofreak7 · Mar 19, 2008

HaroldC3 said:
I think the Fuji s100fs came close to what you are predicting but
they botched the lens. No way on earth are they going have a cam
with 20x optical zoom and have anything that resembles good image
quality.

Low noise at ISO 6400? Hello I'd settle for low noise at ISO 400!
Give me a usable ISO 800 even! Many dslrs don't even have ISO 6400!

Yes a usable ISO400/800 would be dandy - and an ISO1600 that's livable in a pinch would be the icing on the cake.

HaroldC3 said:
You cannot have it both ways for a zoom. Why do you think they have
wide angle lenses?! So companies can make money on accessories.

I totally agree. They want you to buy a WA lens or an SD870 - LOL

HaroldC3 said:
My prediction:

1/2.3" sensor (might use same sensor as G9,A650)

1/2.3" is probably right on the money (G9/A650/SD950 are 1/1.72")

HaroldC3 said:
9.1 MP

Probably 10MP 1/2.3" Sony CCD (S3 to S5 was a 2MP jump)

HaroldC3 said:
2.5" articulating LCD

Yes I think you are correct - No need for an upgrade here (except maybe resolution?) I doubt they have the room to make it bigger anyhow and the S5's LCD is already quite good IMO - much better than the S3's 2" 115K.

HaroldC3 said:
HD output

This would be a great upgrade! and if they don't do it then they might be shooting themselves in the foot since the other companies are doing it even on their compact models.

HaroldC3 said:
15x (31mm - 465mm) optical zoom (f2.8 - f4) w/ IS of course

F/2.8-4 is a bit optimistic but maybe Canon will do it - Lord knows they can (and the f/2.7-3.5 on the S2/3/5 wasn't to shabby IMO) My concern is that the sensor can't handle the lens (or vise versa) and it will be soft.

HaroldC3 said:
RAW, Hot Shoe, Face Detection, DIGIC III, etc.

RAW? - not likely.

HaroldC3 said:
There will not be any dramatic differences, MSRP $399

some of them are - but the $399 price tag may be worth it this time around if they make changes in 'key' areas.

gail · Mar 19, 2008

ljfinger said:
"ISO of 6400 and resulting in extremely low noise."

The FZ18 isn't even in the same galaxy with that one.

You sure got that right, Lee. Still, the FZ18 is a great camera. I loved my S2, but love my FZ18 even more.

I wouldn't take a S5 for it, even if someone threw in an external flash for free.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not turning anti-canon. In fact next month, I will probably be the owner of a Canon Rebel XSi!

--
gail ~ http://www.pbase.com/gailb

My digital camera BLOGs: Fuji F20; Pany FZ18 & TZ3; Canon S2, SD700 & A570; Nikon 5400
http://www.digicamhelp.com/camera-logs/index.php

gail · Mar 19, 2008

I also hope it's lighter by using a proprietary battery. When I owned the S2, I thought AAs were king (actually, queen). But I love the convenience and light weight of the proprietary battery of my Pany FZ18!!!!!!!

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gail ~ http://www.pbase.com/gailb

My digital camera BLOGs: Fuji F20; Pany FZ18 & TZ3; Canon S2, SD700 & A570; Nikon 5400
http://www.digicamhelp.com/camera-logs/index.php

BBartlett · Mar 19, 2008

"I loved my S2, but love my FZ18 even more.

I wouldn't take a S5 for it, even if someone threw in an external flash for free."

are you serious...
you wouldn't take a S5 and EX430 for your FZ18???

I looked at the camera but quickly decided that the build quaility was no match for the S5...........way too much of a plastic feel...

just my 2 cents

Lee Jay · Mar 19, 2008

gail said:
I also hope it's lighter by using a proprietary battery. When I owned
the S2, I thought AAs were king (actually, queen). But I love the
convenience and light weight of the proprietary battery of my Pany
FZ18!!!!!!!

It's light, and weak. AAs are heavy, but standard and powerful.

FZ18 battery - 7.2V, 710mAh = 5.112 watt-hours

4 AA NiMH - 4.8V, 2900mAh = 13.92 watt-hours - 2.7 times as much energy

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Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)

gail · Mar 19, 2008

What can I say? It's like the bee they say can't fly because the body weight is too heavy for it's wings. Yet, it flies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just prefer the FZ18 a whole lot!

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gail ~ http://www.pbase.com/gailb

My digital camera BLOGs: Fuji F20; Pany FZ18 & TZ3; Canon S2, SD700 & A570; Nikon 5400
http://www.digicamhelp.com/camera-logs/index.php

Lee Jay · Mar 19, 2008

gail said:
What can I say? It's like the bee they say can't fly because the body
weight is too heavy for it's wings. Yet, it flies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That whole story is a huge myth/exaggeration, by the way. I can explain it all, if you're actually interested.

Member said:
I just prefer the FZ18 a whole lot!

I've taken 800 shots and ~~40 minutes of video on a single S3 charge. My comment was about the battery only.~~

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Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)

gail · Mar 19, 2008

ljfinger said:
gail said:

What can I say? It's like the bee they say can't fly because the body
weight is too heavy for it's wings. Yet, it flies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Click to expand...

That whole story is a huge myth/exaggeration, by the way. I can
explain it all, if you're actually interested.

For intellectual curiosity, please do.

--
gail ~ http://www.pbase.com/gailb

My digital camera BLOGs: Fuji F20; Pany FZ18 & TZ3; Canon S2, SD700 & A570; Nikon 5400
http://www.digicamhelp.com/camera-logs/index.php

Lee Jay · Mar 19, 2008

gail said:
ljfinger said:

gail said:

What can I say? It's like the bee they say can't fly because the body
weight is too heavy for it's wings. Yet, it flies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Click to expand...

That whole story is a huge myth/exaggeration, by the way. I can
explain it all, if you're actually interested.

Click to expand...

For intellectual curiosity, please do.

Bees lack sufficient wing area to maneuver the way they do, if you apply only steady aerodynamics to the calculations. They have sufficient wing area to fly at their induced velocities given only steady aerodynamics, but they can pull a lot of g's in real life that steady aerodynamics would preclude.

However, no one anywhere ever seriously thought the aerodynamics over a Bee's wing were steady! (You'd have to be flat nuts to think wings moving that fast have the same aerodynamics as a stationary airfoil in a wind tunnel). In fact, Bee's use the properties of unsteady aerodynamics, namely dynamic stall, to enhance the maximum lift coefficients of their wings, and that's how they can maneuver at the accelerations we observe.

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Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)

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