Does anyone use Teiffen 2.0x teleconverter(43mm)?

Richard P.86467 · May 16, 2002

I agree with you, Michael. My Tiffen sample has had 210 hits just from this thread in less than 48 hours. People reading this must be interested in the lens. I posted the link to the full-size, unsharpened image so that anyone could sharpen and print it, if they were interested. Your samples are very good and show the Tiffen's ability very well.

The only way to justly compare the Canon and Tiffen teleconverters is with a controlled test under the exact same conditions. I'm still thinking that someone with both lenses will jump in here and show us side-by-side comparison shots or just some full-size Canon samples would be good, too. I don't think I'd be happy with only 1.5x, however.

Anyone?

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Mickey said:
I too would like to see more samples from the Canon lens. I can't
recall ever seeing a full sized sample from the Canon 1.5x. I'd
like to see where it improves over my Tiffen so I can watch out for
these problems and possibly avoid them. From my brief experience
with my new lens, I can't see where the quality could be improved
enough to justify the 50% magnification vs the Tiffen, and I
consider image quality very important and am quite discerning. Now
if Canon made a 2x teleconverter...

Please post some Canon shots if you have them people.

Michael

Richard P. said:

I consider myself very discriminating. So far, I'm quite pleased
with the image quality and reach of my Tiffen lens. I am not
someone who boasts about whatever product I own.

If Canon made a 2x teleconverter for the G2, I probably would have
bought it without comparison to the Tiffen. I would probably
"appreciate" it. But I don't feel I "need" a 1.5x teleconverter.
The Olympus B-300 at 1.7x is very hard to get and high-priced if
you can find it.

People make choices based on personal criteria. It is their right
to do so and it is not our right to criticize their decisions.

Let the sample images speak for quality. Anyone care to share Canon
teleconverter samples here? Or more Tiffen samples?
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Richard P.86467 · May 16, 2002

Ed B said:
there is very little, and almost no, noticable difference between
1.5 and 1.7 in the telephoto length/power of a lens. The .2
difference would be more pronounced at the wide angle end of a lens.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 35mm equivalents:

102mm = G2 at max zoom
153mm = 1.5x
173mm = 1.7x
204mm = 2.0x

Ed B said:
I can only repeat what I have already said. There is nothing wrong
with the Tiffen lens. It simply is not quite as good as the Canon
or the Olympus.

I have read this in the forum many times and will accept it without argument because I haven't seen test results. I think all of us who are less informed are wondering how close "not quite as good" is.

Ed B said:
Pictures posted on the Internet do not show the true quality of
either lens. The only reliable way to compare the products is to
see printed pictures.

Very many people here are enjoying other people's photography as displayed on their computer monitors without ever seeing prints.

Ed B said:
People who use the Tiffen will take some great pictures and people
who use the Canon will take some bad pictures. I hope all of yours
are great.

My images never quite meet my demanding expectations ;-)

Mickey64564 · May 16, 2002

I've been looking and asking for this type of comparison for months but to no avail. I guess not enough people have access to more than one teleconverter at a time. It would be really cool to see a good controlled test between the Canon 1.5x, Tiffen 2x, and B-300 (1.7x).

Michael

Richard P. said:
The only way to justly compare the Canon and Tiffen teleconverters
is with a controlled test under the exact same conditions. I'm
still thinking that someone with both lenses will jump in here and
show us side-by-side comparison shots or just some full-size Canon
samples would be good, too. I don't think I'd be happy with only
1.5x, however.

Anyone?

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Keep an eye open!

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boeboey · May 17, 2002

Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none) vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm
Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

Joel41093 · May 17, 2002

No UV filter. I was dissapointed since the tiffen lense doesn't cost much. Yesterday, I exchanged it for a B&W lineat polarizer. I'll try it this weekend, and go to the same place, at about the same time so the light on the building will be about the same. I hope it gives me better results. As for the tele, I'll get the canon soon, or maybe if I can get an olympus B300, but they are hard to find.

I'm glad that you don't have these problems with your lenses. Your polarizer is a circular, mine was a linear, maybe there is a difference in quality between those two. But that still doesn't explain the difference with the megaplus. It's a bit weird that some people have gotten good results with it and others not!

Joel

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Grish · May 17, 2002

I believe I read it somewhere here that to get best results with Tiffen 2x you'd need Tiffen converter... which was mentioned as a disadvantage if you ever going to use filters...

kristof boeykens said:
Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none)
vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm

Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

kazutoku · May 17, 2002

Richard P. said:
I consider myself very discriminating. So far, I'm quite pleased
with the image quality and reach of my Tiffen lens. I am not
someone who boasts about whatever product I own.

If Canon made a 2x teleconverter for the G2, I probably would have
bought it without comparison to the Tiffen. I would probably
"appreciate" it. But I don't feel I "need" a 1.5x teleconverter.
The Olympus B-300 at 1.7x is very hard to get and high-priced if
you can find it.

People make choices based on personal criteria. It is their right
to do so and it is not our right to criticize their decisions.

Let the sample images speak for quality. Anyone care to share Canon
teleconverter samples here? Or more Tiffen samples?
--
Richard P.
Keep an eye open!

I have the Canon lens, B-300 now and in few days I'll get Tiffen 2.0x lens.
So I'll post here the original images I'll take with G2 and three lenses.

Please wait for a few days though there may not be discernible differences among the images. Until the test of three lenses, please look at comparisons between Canon 1.5x tele and B-300 and the images taken by using some teleconverters. (But the images undergo resized unsharpmask and are not original.)

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/B3002/index.htm

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/TELECON/index.htm

Sorry, my homepage is written in Japanese.

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Mickey64564 · May 17, 2002

Woah, your camera bag must either be very big or very full!

You should have a good perspective on the quality of the Tiffen lens after owning and using both the Oly and Canon ones. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on how it compares to the other 2, and the sample pictures would be a nice bonus.

Thanks,

Michael

kazutoku said:
I have the Canon lens, B-300 now and in few days I'll get Tiffen
2.0x lens.
So I'll post here the original images I'll take with G2 and three
lenses.
Please wait for a few days though there may not be discernible
differences among the images. Until the test of three lenses,
please look at comparisons between Canon 1.5x tele and B-300 and
the images taken by using some teleconverters. (But the images
undergo resized unsharpmask and are not original.)

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/B3002/index.htm

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/TELECON/index.htm

Sorry, my homepage is written in Japanese.

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LindaG · May 17, 2002

But the tiffen adapter only costs $9.99 at cirucuit city.

Grish said:
kristof boeykens said:

Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none)
vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm

Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

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dp21499 · May 17, 2002

Hi,

Where did you get the Sony VCL-205C2k 2.0x and the Ray nitrogen oxide 1850PRO 1.85x ? are they both 43mm thread? and how much? thanks.

kazutoku · May 17, 2002

dp21499 said:
Hi,
Where did you get the Sony VCL-205C2k 2.0x and the Ray nitrogen
oxide 1850PRO 1.85x ? are they both 43mm thread? and how much?
thanks.

Hello. I bouthgt both lenses at the local shop in Japan.
The prices will be about 12,000 yen or 13,000 yen.
(They will be $96 to $104. yesterday's rate $1=125 yen)

I found 1850 Pro here.
http://www.bugeyedigital.com/

VCL-2052K is suitable for camcorders. Its images are not so good with G2. And as yiou saw it on my page, 1850 Pro is so so with G2. It is not the best.

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Richard P.86467 · May 17, 2002

I'm sure there are many forum members who will be very interested in your test shots and commentary regarding the three lenses, Kazutoku. We will be patiently waiting. If you buy a larger camera bag, you might as well throw in a review on it also. ;-) Seems to be a frequent hot topic on the forum. ;-)
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Keep an eye open!

kazutoku said:
I have the Canon lens, B-300 now and in few days I'll get Tiffen
2.0x lens.
So I'll post here the original images I'll take with G2 and three
lenses.
Please wait for a few days though there may not be discernible
differences among the images. Until the test of three lenses,
please look at comparisons between Canon 1.5x tele and B-300 and
the images taken by using some teleconverters. (But the images
undergo resized unsharpmask and are not original.)

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/B3002/index.htm

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/TELECON/index.htm

Sorry, my homepage is written in Japanese.

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Richard P.86467 · May 17, 2002

kristof boeykens said:
Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none)
vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm

Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

Kristof,

Very little or no vignetting at full telephoto zoom with the Tiffen adapter. Slight vignetting with any other adapter and step-down ring.

I use the Tiffen adapter with the 2x and the .75x wide angle MegaPlus lenses. At all other times, I use the Lensmate adapter with filters. The Tiffen lenses are threaded and take 67mm filters.
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Keep an eye open!

Taz · May 17, 2002

Yeah, for the $10, you can get a Tiffen adapter just for the Tiffen lens and use the Lensmate with UV, polarizer, close-up, etc.

LindaG said:
Grish said:

kristof boeykens said:

Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none)
vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm

Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

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bac522 · May 18, 2002

I was at circuitcity yesterday and there were several len's adapters that are 43mm.

Richard P. said:
kristof boeykens said:

Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none)
vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm

Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

Click to expand...

Kristof,

Very little or no vignetting at full telephoto zoom with the Tiffen
adapter. Slight vignetting with any other adapter and step-down
ring.

I use the Tiffen adapter with the 2x and the .75x wide angle
MegaPlus lenses. At all other times, I use the Lensmate adapter
with filters. The Tiffen lenses are threaded and take 67mm filters.
--
Richard P.
Keep an eye open!

Ken Rosen · May 18, 2002

Tiffen makes a 49-43mm step-down adapter that has the threads on the same plane. This should reduce or eliminate vignetting when using the lensmate adapter as it brings the telephoto zoom a few mm closer to the lense. Richard when you did your test did you use the tiffen special step-down ring or just a generic one.

Ken

bac522 said:
Richard P. said:

kristof boeykens said:

Hi,

I would like to know which mount adapter causes less (or none)
vignetting:
G2 + 2xTiffen + ...

Tiffen adapter 43mm

Lensmate 49mm + step-up ring 49mm-43mm

What would you advise me?

Click to expand...

Kristof,

Very little or no vignetting at full telephoto zoom with the Tiffen
adapter. Slight vignetting with any other adapter and step-down
ring.

I use the Tiffen adapter with the 2x and the .75x wide angle
MegaPlus lenses. At all other times, I use the Lensmate adapter
with filters. The Tiffen lenses are threaded and take 67mm filters.
--
Richard P.
Keep an eye open!

Click to expand...

Richard P.86467 · May 18, 2002

Ken Rosen said:
Tiffen makes a 49-43mm step-down adapter that has the threads on
the same plane. This should reduce or eliminate vignetting when
using the lensmate adapter as it brings the telephoto zoom a few mm
closer to the lense. Richard when you did your test did you use
the tiffen special step-down ring or just a generic one.

Ken, so far I have used the Tiffen lenses with the Tiffen adapter only. No step-down needed.

I've read a little about the special Tiffen step-down you mention, but the Tiffen adapter is slightly shorter in length than the Lensmate and that might be an overriding factor.

I would also like to use the 2x with my Lensmate, so if someone has used the special Tiffen step-down without vignetting, let us know.
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Richard P.
Keep an eye open!

Mickey64564 · May 18, 2002

That's the way I went too since I already had the Lensmate and couldn't find the special step ring. I had to pay $35 CDN for that Tiffen adapter though...ridiculous price but at least I can use my 2x now. I'm gonna still try to find that step ring so I can try out the 2x with my SLR lens with 49mm threads.

Michael

Taz said:
Yeah, for the $10, you can get a Tiffen adapter just for the Tiffen
lens and use the Lensmate with UV, polarizer, close-up, etc.

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dp21499 · May 18, 2002

thanks for letting me know that those lens are not really good, have you tried the Hakuba 1.8x tele and wide angle? I'm wondering if the image is good. I still don't like the idea of step up ring for maybe a olympus or canon lens neither the adapter that I need to use if I won't go with the step up ring, I'd like to keep the 43mm Hakuba adapter I have and I tried the tiffen they're ok but I want a better one..

kazutoku · May 18, 2002

dp21499 said:
thanks for letting me know that those lens are not really good,
have you tried the Hakuba 1.8x tele and wide angle? I'm wondering
if the image is good. I still don't like the idea of step up ring
for maybe a olympus or canon lens neither the adapter that I need
to use if I won't go with the step up ring, I'd like to keep the
43mm Hakuba adapter I have and I tried the tiffen they're ok but I
want a better one..

I've already commented on the Hakuba 1.8x tele. Read this massage.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=2705037

Hakuba 0.7x wide (52mm) is good but 0.6x wide (43mm) makes us unhappy because there are vignettings around the picture. So you must use 0.7x wide.

The message below is on my page. He reported that the notice on the lens package says G2 users must use 0.7x and Hakuba 52mm adapter.

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/board/c-board.cgi?cmd=one ;no=2300;id=

Hakuba 0.7x's picture is here.

http://kazutoku.cside21.com/G1andG2/WCON/img_0003.htm

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