Daniella68313
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I would sign a different signature than mine..just any scrimble and they would not know
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Had to sign a waver today!
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Daniella68313
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Maybe by signing the waver he also transfered the rights to the aquarium.
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I guess you attended hockey games in all the 200+ countries in the world?
Not every country in the world plays hockey as you might know
I attend in Europe before and my friend in Canada sending me shots he made in their arenas fine. US is heaven for "security issue" excuses and other nobody else having issues like PO described.--
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gdanmitchell
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Personally, I never waver in my opposition to signing a waiver...
Dan
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HonestMan1
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Since you didn't understand the first part of my post about the 1980s, obviously you don't know wtf you are talking about.
In the 80s and earlier, Poland and other Eastern European countries were not democracies and you could end up in jail or whatever else they felt like doing with you, for taking pictures of the wrong thing, or not following directions/orders of any other type.
If you didn't know, Poland is now part of the European Union! And YES, you have the exact same rights in Warsaw as you do in New York City. You make it sound like it's Cuba or China. When exactly was it that you last visited Warsaw?
In the 80s and earlier, Poland and other Eastern European countries were not democracies and you could end up in jail or whatever else they felt like doing with you, for taking pictures of the wrong thing, or not following directions/orders of any other type.
If you didn't know, Poland is now part of the European Union! And YES, you have the exact same rights in Warsaw as you do in New York City. You make it sound like it's Cuba or China. When exactly was it that you last visited Warsaw?
Well, it felt more like North Korea than New York in terms of the myriad of arcane rules and thier enforcement by the local authorities and security personnel. (The police were very nice and apparently helpful... Trouble is that the country has very little visible police but is full of yahoos with guns, disguised as private security details...) I was a part of a larger shot, with all permits and local handlers/interpreters, but the word I heard most often was "no" in many, many forms.
In any event, my post was more about the clarity of rules vs. total lack of it: in the US once you get a permit and applicable relaseses, you are home free. Over there - apparently not. (Yeah, I know, 9/11 did change many things in the US as well, but we still have it good comparing to most other places...)
(Edit: spelling...)
In any event, my post was more about the clarity of rules vs. total lack of it: in the US once you get a permit and applicable relaseses, you are home free. Over there - apparently not. (Yeah, I know, 9/11 did change many things in the US as well, but we still have it good comparing to most other places...)
(Edit: spelling...)
dstamatis
Well-known member
Actually, Poland WAS a democracy in the 80's. (Just not one that allowed much personal freedom.) But I'm not going to split hairs with you, as your 80's reference is clearer now.
In case YOU didn't know, so are other parts of Eastern Europe, and they are NOT exactly known for their human rights records.
Dude... I'm not going to argue with you. If someone working for the government can point a gun at you and shoot you for even removing your camera from its case.... no.... you don't have the same rights.
And if YOU can't understand that, then you don't know what YOU are talking about.
Happy shooting
D
Sorry to interrupt - no, it was not. With all due respect to the Polish people who dared to chalenge the communist system in the 80s - democracy came later, when the Big Brother could not stop it anymore.
harrygilbert
Senior Member
I visited Branson, Missouri last Summer, taking along a 5D with 70-200mm IS lens. Asked at each theater, was told no problem, feel free to take pictures. I did point out that my camera, without a flash, was less disruptive to the performers and the audience than all the P&S cameras that most patrons had. The management agreed.
gdanmitchell
Veteran Member
Time to take this to the "Is Poland a Democracy" forum at dpreview.
Oh, that's right... there isn't one.
I guess ya'll could just PM each other about this, no?
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Oh, that's right... there isn't one.
I guess ya'll could just PM each other about this, no?
Dan
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dstamatis
Well-known member
My dear Peter, respectfully, you are confusing your terms. Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive.
The opposite of Communism is Capitalism, with Socialism falling somewhere in the middle. "democracies" can exist in all three systems.
When talking about Democracy (uppercase D) that has never existed in history of mankind (arguably, the closest it ever came was for about 50 years, in Ancient Athens, but even then, only to a VERY select and privileged few.)
When talking about democracy (lowercase d), it is a blanket term that can be said of many non-dictatorial governments in the last 100 years, Communist or not.
Whether a particular democracy (lowercase d) includes broad personal freedoms is irrelevant. Surely it would be nice, but it's not a prerequisite.
I'm not arguing that the Polish people had free speech in the 80's. But they were in a "democracy" (albeit, sadly, not the kind where dissent was tolerated.)
I didn't want to turn this into a civics lesson, but there you have it.
Cheers.
D
konacoffee
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This is their policy:
"Any photographer who uses images of the Japanese Garden for commercial, advertising, or promotional purposes is required to pay a $150 fee for a one-year Photographer Membership, which includes many additional benefits. Without payment of the fee, it is strictly forbidden to sell or use images taken of the Japanese Garden or the Japanese Garden logo for commercial or promotional activities, which include but are not limited to publishing, marketing, educational materials, products and retail merchandise, general and web advertising, broadcast, or any situation where the photographer is paid for the use of the image."....
"Any photographer who uses images of the Japanese Garden for commercial, advertising, or promotional purposes is required to pay a $150 fee for a one-year Photographer Membership, which includes many additional benefits. Without payment of the fee, it is strictly forbidden to sell or use images taken of the Japanese Garden or the Japanese Garden logo for commercial or promotional activities, which include but are not limited to publishing, marketing, educational materials, products and retail merchandise, general and web advertising, broadcast, or any situation where the photographer is paid for the use of the image."....
I would probably have taken your civic lesson seriously hadn't I spent the first 30 years of my life in an East European communist country. You just do not know what are you talking about - and you are lucky that you do not.
dstamatis
Well-known member
This has strayed too far from the OP's original post.
Just know that I'm very sorry for what you, your family, and fellow countrymen went through.
Take care.
D
Just know that I'm very sorry for what you, your family, and fellow countrymen went through.
Take care.
D
Rootbeer
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Rootbeer
Senior Member
I was just thinking about this after reading your post, and was just wondering if those were actual "Police Officers" over there, or Rent-A-Cops...or something along that line..
The reason why is because I have never had a bad experience with an actual police officer while out shooting as a staff photographer, or as a private citizen. However, I have had several run-ins, nothing that amounted to much more than them wasting my time and or shot.. but, it seems that there seems to be a lot of people in private security who aren't educated in the rights of photographers like police officers are..
I'm glad you're still with us!
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jlalor
Leading Member
So the 100-400mm would be nice to have for some of the dolphin/whale shows.
I don't think the waiver is unreasonable... but there's nothing so special there compared to Disney World, who has much more to "protect" in this manner.
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I don't think the waiver is unreasonable... but there's nothing so special there compared to Disney World, who has much more to "protect" in this manner.
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filmluvr
Senior Member
Assuming that's a private enterprise, I think they have every right to install such a policy. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a valid claim that the designs of their gardens are protected by copyright law.
This is not the same as a publicly-funded organization prohibiting all photography by claiming the presence of copyrighted materials and artwork (as one popular state museum does, here in Austin, TX). There is no sound legal basis by which such an organization may claim the right to prohibit all photography, and in so doing, also summarily exclude Fair Use copy on the part of the general public. OTOH, it may be valid to exclude flash, tripods, noise and related aspects of photography reasonably deemed a nuisance to other visitors.
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I wonder what the Aquarium would do if you took lots of really great looking pictures, then provided them free to anyone? Kinda of negating the Aquarium's exclusivity on images.
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