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trade my 10-20 in for the new Tokina 11-16 2.8?

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Hello, I have the 10-20, which I'm very happy with. Its surprisingly low distortion, low CA, flare resistance and sharpness are all things that make me really fond of it. I use it mostly at 10 or 11mm often wide open.

But as I do a lot of photography inside, hand held in very low light I thought 2.8 would be a real benefit. It would allow me to use a lower iso (my D80's iso 1600 is quite noisy...)

Actually my problem is that I haven't seen any Tokina 11-16 samples taken at 11mm AND 2.8

Besides, I'm wondering if there is any other trade-off, like a lesser flare resistance, higher CA etc.

Any hints? My habitual store called me today to say they had received it, so I may trade my 10-20 for the 11-16. I don't know if I should... hard life ;)

Regards,

Philippe

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Buy two and send one to me :-) Won't be in USA for a couple months. Sample photos I printed look good.
 
I think it comes down to what the street price of the 11-16 will be and whether it is prone to the CA that many Tokinas seem to be.

I just recently purchased my Sigma 10-20 and at the time was considering waiting for the 11-16. Ultimately, I didn't want to wait as a US release date is still up in the air.

The way I see it, if the Tokina reviews well, doesn't have any severe flare or CA issues, and priced close to the Sigma, it could be a very good alternative. Down side is you would lose the 10mm... and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Tokina is also screw-driven. Ultimately since you said you shoot at 10mm mostly, you might miss it with the Tokina and really you're only looking at a 1-stop advantage when shooting 10mm vs 11mm. For indoor shots, that would be nice, but if you're shooting outdoors/landscape... i'll take 10mm with f4 max VS. 11mm with f2.8 any day of the week.

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I waited a loong time for 16-50F2.8, but after it did come out and I saw samples of how non-stellar it was at F2.8 plus the amount of CA, I decided to go with Sigma.
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Your habitual store called you and said the Tokina 11-16 is in stock? Where are you -- Japan?

I emailed Tokina to find out when they planned to release this lens in the U.S, and here's what a customer service rep told me:

"Japan has told us that it should be arriving here in either May or June."

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to have a lot of wide spread use or testing, so it's still kind of an unknown quantity.

You could gamble, get it, then run some nice test series and maybe make a lot of other folks happy?
 
John Swenson said:
Your habitual store called you and said the Tokina 11-16 is in stock?
Where are you -- Japan?
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Yes, indeed. I'm in Nagoya, Japan. The store (Komehyo, it's called) put it aside for me and the price is almost same as the 10-20. They would give me 35000 yens (about 330USD) for my sigma, so I would have to pay about 280USD to get the Tokina...
Member said:
"Japan has told us that it should be arriving here in either May or
June."
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That's terrible!!! At least, the price in the USA tend to go down faster than here ;)

Regards,

Philippe
 
Craig Gillette said:
to have a lot of wide spread use or testing, so it's still kind of an
unknown quantity.
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Yes, I think I agree with you... 2.8 is great (when the quality is good), but I guess I should wait a little bit and see some tests, as my 10-20 satisfies me for pretty much everything except the poorest light conditions.

If it ain't broken don't fix it, right?

Regarding the low light performances, it's also my D80's fault... With a D300 my 1600 pictures would be much better in terms of noise. I might wait for a D80's replacement, hoping it would have a low-noise CMOS like the D300 and D3...
Craig Gillette said:
You could gamble, get it, then run some nice test series and maybe
make a lot of other folks happy?
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The more I think, the less I feel like being the Guinea Pig! I just can't afford to make a mistake!

Regards,

Philippe

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http://www.philippegratton.blogspot.com/
 
Hi Phillipe,

If you like adding pictures to your blog, I think 2.8 adds to your kit. I think you should go for it.

I too am thinking about the sigma or the Tokina. I have until June to purchase. Hopefully the Tokina 11-16/2.8 will be in north america by then.

Cheers,
Alan
 
agreed - I wouldn't take a loss selling a similar range good performing lens in order to buy a totally new (untested) one. If you weren't selling your 10-20 to get it, you could buy and test it yourself and return it if unacceptable.
 
Yeah, 2.8 would have been nice to have when I took this pictures inside a Korean tea house. I could have used a lower iso, as my D80 is pretty noisy...



But when it comes to other considerations, such as "does it resist well to flare" or "is is good wide open" then it's still a gamble, because, as other pointed out, it hasn't been tested and we don't know what to expect :( Anyway, I will still go and have a look at it. I'll shoot a couple of frames at the stores, if they allow me too

Thanks for the advice,

cheers,

Philippe
avyoung said:
Hi Phillipe,

If you like adding pictures to your blog, I think 2.8 adds to your
kit. I think you should go for it.

I too am thinking about the sigma or the Tokina. I have until June to
purchase. Hopefully the Tokina 11-16/2.8 will be in north america by
then.

Cheers,
Alan
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I'm having a little trouble fathoming the dof at 2.8 with such a wide lens. Seems like it would be troublesome having a narrow focus range.
 
2.8 is great as you-

a) get a brighter viewfinder image

b) can control the depth of field, especially for near objects (close portraits, semi-macros, which this could be great for)
c) have a good chance of a class-leading lens when you stop down a bit.

My only reservation, assuming it is a good performer, is that narrow range- but I could see myself using it as a 'flexible prime'
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G Davidson said:
2.8 is great as you-

a) get a brighter viewfinder image
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true!
G Davidson said:
b) can control the depth of field, especially for near objects (close
portraits, semi-macros, which this could be great for)
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With such a wide lens, the perspective itself is enouch to separate the subject from the background. I actually prefer it that way: we see the backgroud but it looks far away, while the subject "pops out"
G Davidson said:
c) have a good chance of a class-leading lens when you stop down a bit.
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True, but at this point it's still a "maybe", as no sample could prove it, yet.

I see you point,

but we must keep in mind that the 10-20 is already a great lens about which I have absolutely nothing to complain.

So the 2.8 would certainly be a big plus for my indoors, but if I've got to lose something in order to ave this extra stop, I'd better know it before, so that I can make an informed decision...

None of the posted samples showed anything taken at 2.8, which is odd for a lens which main seeling point over the competition is its wider max apperture...

regards,

Philippe

some pictures and stories about my life in Japan
http://www.philippegratton.blogspot.com/
 
Thanks, very interesting! F3.2 looks quite nice (apart from the purple fringing/CA at backlit objects).
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Cheers,
Stas.
 
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