Do you feel a Recession (U.S.)?

and on earth he was at the same time a perfect man. When he died, it
was only his body, for his soul descended into hell for 3 days.
So you are saying that Jesus did not die, but lived in hell for 3 days?

He was resurrected on the 3rd day correct.. You have to be dead to be brought back to life.. 1 pet 3:18 He was ressurected on the 3rd, brought back to life as a spirit. Also he was sacrificed and had to die to offer his life, his soul for what Adam had lost.

Hell is the common grave of mankind. It is poorly translated from the Greek work Hades. It comes from and old English word, to hell potatoes.. to put them in the ground or cellar.
If it was a place of fire, Jesus never sinned correct? God is love..

So what is the purpose of a place of fire? is not death of a person, out of existance enough? READ Eccl 9:5,10 the dead are unconscious.
Soul that sins dies.. Ezek 18:4
No we do not have an immortal soul...

He
now lives, and we too can have that quality of life by accepting Him
and his words as He left them to us in His love letter. Frankly,
I've never met a better person. He rocks !
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I'm a Michigan to CO transplant too - left Michigan in 05, but it had nothing to do with employment... just couldn't stand living there. CO is in a foreclosure crisis because so many people come out here, buy homes they can barely afford and got caught when their ARMs skyrocketed. My neighborhood is only 3 years old and there's already a lot of for sale signs... but nothing sells because there are still new homes in the neighborhood and the builder is offering huge incentives (some as high as $100,000!).

Honestly for anyone looking for work: Wyoming and South Dakota - they're begging for people to move there.
LOL ... I had a t-shirt that said the same ... from about the time my
brother headed to Colorado ... my family and I may be there soon as
well, and not just for my regular visits.

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What religion was Jesus? Was he a Moron?

I think he spoke the truth. He also said at John 4:23, 24 that there would be true worshippers that would worship in truth.
Jesus is referred to as the Faithful and true Witness. REV 1:5

Why was he and his true followers so hated by the world?
that has not changed at all..

Why does the Bible say that the majority of mankind will be destroyed at Armageddon?
 
NO THEY DON'T.
I'm sorry if you misunderstoud my last comment, but I was being sarcastic....

And for generalizing all immigrants as being ESL... I wont get into it but lets just say my first language isn't english... so we do have to take in consideration that culturally, there are differences... but this is a photography related forum...

But I do agree with you that they are a negative on the societal system that is in place.

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Not to be a snit, but that seems to be why the foreclosure crisis exists in just about all areas of the country ... ARMs ... my thoughts of Colorado have more to do with moving to where much of my family is. Have a little joint in Castle Rock picked out.
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What religion was Jesus? Was he a Moron?

I think he spoke the truth. He also said at John 4:23, 24 that there
would be true worshippers that would worship in truth.
Jesus is referred to as the Faithful and true Witness. REV 1:5

Why was he and his true followers so hated by the world?
that has not changed at all..

Why does the Bible say that the majority of mankind will be destroyed
at Armageddon?
Only a narrow minded person would interpret the bible literally. And don't forget the ancient testament is mostly about the Jewish experience.

At the end of the day, you believe what you want to believe. If it makes you a better person, then so far so good, but if it makes you an intolerant and belligerent person, then you are poisoning your whole life.
 
No doubt that the foreclosure crisis everywhere was brought about by the ARMS - I agree completely. But until recently the Denver area led the nation in foreclosures. Given that the Denver area hasn't been hit as hard as Michigan economically, one can't point to a regional economic collapse to explain the high foreclosure rate. Typically most people move because they have a job offer. But some move because of a dream and hope to find a job later - admittedly not the smartest thing to do, even though I'm in that group. Frequently those moves are simply not thought out well enough in the event that things don't go as planned. I think Denver attracts a higher percentage of the latter which contributed greatly to the high foreclosure rate. While I admit I was in the second group, for my wife and I the risk was minimal - we knew we could handle it if things didn't go as planned - and everything turned out fine (plus we have family here too - they're not why we moved here, but it was a big bonus). I could be dead wrong - I'm merely hypothesizing on my own experiences and those I've talked to here in the area. Let's face it... you'll never find someone who moved to Michigan because it was their dream to live there ;-)
Not to be a snit, but that seems to be why the foreclosure crisis
exists in just about all areas of the country ... ARMs ... my
thoughts of Colorado have more to do with moving to where much of my
family is. Have a little joint in Castle Rock picked out.
... and I'm sure you'll love it. If you have a house to sell, I hope you can unload it quickly. My wife and I each had a house to sell before we left - we feel really fortunate we were able to do so in relatively short time.

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Frivolous lawsuits have almost no bearing on the cost of health insurance. I worked for an HMO. Lawsuits represented far less then 1% of their costs. t barely showed up as a line item. Their ad budget, however, was 4% of their budget. And the CEO and the administrators were about 3%. And the beautiful office building with marble floors and huge executive suites with full baths and Persian rugs they built for themselves was another couple of percent.

A lot of people are getting rich on healthcare, and they aren't the ones actually providing healthcare.
 
I think the original question is very much "valid," and as photographers with a business even more so. The business cycles affect us all, and I don't make distinctions from someone that's making $50000.00 or $250000.00... it affects us all. Where this thread went into religion is honestly beyond me. Religion is a private matter and should be kept private. Keep religion out of politics or this thread, and we will keep this thread out of your politics or your privacy.
 
This isnt to the above poster. Its just the nearest reply button

I had far greater respect for photographers intellects. Seems i was wrong we're saturated with faith based wingnuts.

The subprime crisis hasnt had its major impact yet. Its going to be bad. Very bad. China is going to get hit VERY hard and China has been buying our debt for a long time now.

We're skating on razor thin ice now and its going to crack. It may not be the worst recession ever but it may well be worse than the late 70's recession. Fuel prices are now (adjusted for inflation) where they were then. Our deficit is so high we dont even count the near half trillion we're spending on the war now and when the real estate market collapses all hell is going to break loose.More likely WE will be forced to pay for the incompetance of the supply siders and corrupt fiinancial institutions who brought it on. Which will bring on the same recession but the trust fund kiddies will be protected.
 
You have stated your religious views and the people here have been very respectful of your statements. But it has gotten off-topic. For all practical purposes, it might be a good idea to communicate directly with each other if you wish to continue your in depth discussion. Or perhaps start a new thread in the Open Talk forum. Thank you.
 
The U.S. economy has been built on the availability of cheap fuel
prices. Now that gas and diesel fuel is two dollars more a gallon
that just 2-3 years ago has made a big dent in the consumer's wallet
in two ways.

First driving is really more expensive. We live out west where public
transportaion is almost non-existant.

Second, higher fuel prices have started to drive up the costs of
transportaion of goods and farm goods.

The reality as I see it after talking to friends, relatives and
clients is that families have a couple hundred dollars less
DISPOSABLE income each month to spend. They have to decide what is
important and luxuries like portrait photography (school, family,
high school senior, even wedding) is taking the brunt of the cut-back
in personal spending.
True. It hurts even more that our society buys more trucks and SUVs than any other country's population in the world. The people over in the UK have been buying fuel-friendly vehicles for years, something we should have been doing (well, I have been, I mean we as a country).
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I lived in the Boulder/Longmont area in the early 80's for three years and always knew I'd return to Colorado one day!

In 1995 . . . we split Michigan and headed west!

Sold our house on the lake . . . sold my boat and just about everything else that we didn't think we would need (should have sold my darkroom stuff as I still have it all, but have never set it back up since we turned out the safelights back in Michigan).

I live in the northern Denver suburbs, and several of the houses on my street have gone up for forclosure in the last year.

Three of them the same model house as ours, which has brought the value of our house down, yet it is still higher than it was when we bought it in 1997 (our house was 10 years old when we bought it)!

Matter of fact . . . just two doors down, another the same model house as ours, was deserted by the owners about three weeks ago . . . today I saw a forclosure sticker in the front window!

New cars every year . . . expensive toys . . . HDTV's . . . DSLR's every six months (had to throw that one in there LOL).

I think that it was 'creative financing' that got most of these people in trouble, plus, their urge to have all kinds of new stuff that they really couldn't afford.

These home developers are coming up with all kinds of ways to make people think they can afford bigger houses that what they really can afford, and get people into these houses before they realize that five years down the line, their payments skyrocket!

As an example, they guy that used to own the house across the street lost his house to forclosure last summer (same model as our house) . . . he was into all kinds of toys . . .

Motorcycles, ATV's . . . was always buying new ones.

I bought my truck . . . a few weeks later he had to buy a new truck . . . bigger and badder than mine!

We bought our 24ft. travel trailer used . . . paid cash for it . . . costs us less than $80 per year for plates and insurance on it!

A month after we got ours . . . he showed up with a brand new travel trailer . . . same size as ours, at only $474 per month for 10 years!

Sure, it was a lot nicer and newer than ours, but for something you are going to use maybe three or four times a year . . . we just didn't want monthly payments on that!

They had a kid . . . then he had to have a boat . . . put a hitch on the back of his camper so he could pull both at the same time!

Now, he needed an even bigger brand new truck (Ford Expedition) to pull his camper and boat combo!

Anyway . . . he had three mortgages on his house to pay for all of this stuff . . . and he just couldn't afford it!

But the banks figured out ways to approve him for all of this . . .

Not only did he loose just about all of his material things . . . his wife left him as well!

This is the kind of stuff that has gotten a lot of people here in Colorado in trouble . . . living outside of their finantial means.

Now, we refinaced our house during our second year here and stuck with it . . . and at least we have some equity in it!

Our interest rate is pretty low, and our payments are still much lower than just about all of our neighbors, who keep refinancing every time the prime drops!

Matter of fact . . . our payments are under $1000 per month (including home owners insurance and property tax payments) . . . his house payment alone (for the very same house) was close to $2500 per month, and didn't include the insurance and taxes!

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Matter of fact . . . just two doors down, another the same model
house as ours, was deserted by the owners about three weeks ago . . .
today I saw a forclosure sticker in the front window!

New cars every year . . . expensive toys . . . HDTV's . . . DSLR's
every six months (had to throw that one in there LOL).

I think that it was 'creative financing' that got most of these
people in trouble, plus, their urge to have all kinds of new stuff
that they really couldn't afford.

These home developers are coming up with all kinds of ways to make
people think they can afford bigger houses that what they really can
afford, and get people into these houses before they realize that
five years down the line, their payments skyrocket!

As an example, they guy that used to own the house across the street
lost his house to forclosure last summer (same model as our house) .
. . he was into all kinds of toys . . .

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Colorful Colorado



Remember . . . always keep your receipt, the box, and everything that
came in it!
You're in the minority though. Most Americans live on their credit cards. Smart small business owners and frugal people aside, Americans are largely consumer whores. I never saw the need.

Even on these forums you have people that have to rush out and buy the latest model body, all the new glass, etc. Do they need it? In most cases probably not, but they buy it none the less.

Here in Florida you can witness the housing crunch by falling prices (though they are falling less than in other areas as land developers try to hang on for dear life), new subdivisions that have been abandoned and are not being completed at this time, and an increase in "pre-foreclosure" sales. Florida is also bolstered by approximately 300,000 new residents every year. Apparently people do not fear hurricanes as much as they hate snow. :p. Still, housing prices are out of reach for most Floridians (even the ones who bought their houses anyway and have gigantic mortgage payments every month).

In other areas of the country, they have entire subdivisions that have turned into ghost towns, I have heard that Arizona has been hit hard, but who knows, maybe it is exaggerated.

How anyone can say we are not headed for a recession is beyond me. Adjustable Rate Mortgages, Banks and financial institutions putting up record losses. The stock market is a roller coaster (though my in-laws are having a field day buying into some stocks that have seen sharp drop-offs). Fuel prices are at all time highs (with no end in sight), and small businesses are beginning to feel the crunch.

63,000 jobs were cut in february, some kind of record, so I hear. With back to back job losses in January and February, supposedly something that hasn't happened since 2003.

I've been saying it for the last two years, this country is headed for some painful times. We've been basically putting band-aids on our economy for the last decade or so, and I think it will all fall apart when the new president gets into office. One thing is for sure, the housing situation is going to get worse. I think another year at minimum, and probably more like 2 or 3 years. Those Adjustable Rate Mortgages are just now coming due at their full price. Though it hurts me to know that Congress is going to probably bail out these idiots. I guess it pays to be stupid in our country.

As someone else said, the feds lowering interest rates isn't helping us, because the financial institutions are raising them to cover their losses. So it equals itself out that the consumer sees no difference.

Call me unpatriotic but I'm not spending any rebate I get. It goes to savings or bills. Spending money like it's burning a hole in your pocket is what got this country into trouble in the first place.
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That's right, blame the recession on the Media. Don't talk about it.
Positive thinking and it will all go away.
Yes, it's the media's fault, not the incompetent mob you have as
leaders.
I have never seen so much denial in my life. Man, the blindfolding
and brainwashing work has really worked. Whatever happens, it can
never be the fault of the actual leaders. How mentally blind can you
get?
Well the leaders can't really be blamed for Americans living on their credit lines either.
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That's right, blame the recession on the Media. Don't talk about it.
Positive thinking and it will all go away.
Yes, it's the media's fault, not the incompetent mob you have as
leaders.
I have never seen so much denial in my life. Man, the blindfolding
and brainwashing work has really worked. Whatever happens, it can
never be the fault of the actual leaders. How mentally blind can you
get?
Well the leaders can't really be blamed for Americans living on their
credit lines either.
Of course there are two sides to a coin.
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Aren't these the same countries that we send billions in support to?
Annually. The countries that our government feeds with free grain,
that we as taxpayers pay for in subsidies to the farmers? How long
can we send our service work to them, buy their products and then
send them free aid. Or , make government loans to them that we know
they will never pay back? It seems to me one of our last major
commodities is our agricultural ability. The bread basket of the
world, so to speak. We then hire illegal aliens to do the grunt work
because we cannot afford to pay living wages for it because the
government gives it away. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Shooter2
last I heard we were paying our farmers to let the fields go fallow to raise food prices. Maybe I'm out of the loop, but a lot of our food comes from China these days.

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. . . it's a good strategy to keep diversified and flexible.
As for the political side of it -- with all due respect to my
conservative friends, you can't have education slipping, jobs
exported, health care costs spiraling, unlimited spending on a war
that offers no "spoils" even if we do win, which is unlikely, and all
the rest. I think Americans are horribly cynical and complacent. Once
you convince yourself that nothing you do matters, and that things
will always be the way they are, you are well on the way to being a
has-been.

Paul
First, thanks for having the respect for those with viewpoints that

Healthcare is in crisis because all relevant market forces have been
removed from the equation. If people had to pay for an appendectomy
then I guarantee you that a 1000.00 procedure would be within grasp
of a free market medical system. The problem is, nobody pays for
their medical. They are insulated by insurances, medicaid, medicare
and the market forces of supply and demand are no longer working.
Hence, doctors charge whatever they want to and people continue to
line up at the doors for 'covered' procedures and visits. The answer
here is not MORE government intervention, but rather the reattachment
of market forces to an industry that is at present free do whatever
it darn well pleases.
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Dude, that is the most messed up statement I have ever heard come from an adult. What world do you live in where nobody pays for their medical? What kind of dope are you smoking where you think DOCTORS are the reason for spiraling health care costs?

Do you work in the health care industry? or do you just spout off without thinking on a regular basis?

A hospital administrator makes $500,000.00 a year on average. The one where several of my family members work happens to drive a Rolls Royce to work on average of once a week. He spends the rest of his time schmoozing board members and going on golf outtings.

Meanwhile the resident doctors put in 100 hours a week. The nurses make less than most middle management jobs where their biggest responsibility for the day is deciding what to have for launch.

Meanwhile Health Ins. companies are actively murdering people by denying valid insurance claims while they continue to post record profits every quarter.

Hospital emergency rooms won't even see you unless you either have Ins. and can pay your Co-pay up front, or if you don't have Ins. a nice $500.00 down payment will get you in to see the doctor.

Meanwhile people are paying out the poop-shoot for Ins. that only allows them 10 individual antibiotic pills a month (Tough doodoo if the first course doesn't work, you're out-of-luck.).

Yes, SOMEONE is insulated from reality, you.

If you want any kind of operation done for $1,000.00 you'll have to fly to India where the doctors make $15,000.00 a year. (and even then the procedure is more like $2,000.00).

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