s900 and Joe Barnhart's RedRiver paper profile

I have been using the Red River Ultra Pro Satin (4x6) paper and find that I am able to see visible dots. Especially on skin tones. I don't have anymore Canon PPP to compare, but I don't remember seeing any dotting on the photos printed on their sample sheets.

I am using Joe Barnhart's profiles for the ultra pro satin.

I am using Windows ME and the printer driver settings are:

Media Type Photo Paper Plus Glossy
Print Quality High
Color Adjustment Manual
Cyan 0
Magenta 0
Yellow 0
Black 0
Intensity 0
Enable ICM OFF
Print Type None
Monochrome Effects OFF
Vivid Photo OFF
Image Optimizer OFF
Photo Optimizer Pro OFF

Can anyone help me minimize/get rid of them?

Thanks in advance,

Stephen

Use High gloss Photo Film as the paper type and I believe you will be pleased with the output. I don't use the satin finish but the Red River Ultra Pro Glossy works best with the film setting-probably will be the same for the satin finish. As a side note, I have not been able to improve my printing with the Barnhardt profiles, I am one of those that get dark prints and it may be because I have the 800 printer and not the 900 or 9000.

S. Shiu said:

I have been using the Red River Ultra Pro Satin (4x6) paper and
find that I am able to see visible dots. Especially on skin tones.
I don't have anymore Canon PPP to compare, but I don't remember
seeing any dotting on the photos printed on their sample sheets.

I am using Joe Barnhart's profiles for the ultra pro satin.

I am using Windows ME and the printer driver settings are:

Media Type Photo Paper Plus Glossy
Print Quality High
Color Adjustment Manual
Cyan 0
Magenta 0
Yellow 0
Black 0
Intensity 0
Enable ICM OFF
Print Type None
Monochrome Effects OFF
Vivid Photo OFF
Image Optimizer OFF
Photo Optimizer Pro OFF

Can anyone help me minimize/get rid of them?

Thanks in advance,

Stephen

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S. Shiu said:

I have been using the Red River Ultra Pro Satin (4x6) paper and
find that I am able to see visible dots. Especially on skin tones.

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It looks like you're doing everything right. The dots you see may be due to the ink "pooling" on the paper before it soaks in. Canon PPP does not exhibit this behavior, but many inkjet papers do. The RR papers aren't as bad about it as some (e.g. Kodak Premium), but they do have a slower absorbtion rate than Canon PPP. You're already printing on PP+G, which lays down ink more slowly than the paper type "PPP" setting. You could try "high gloss photo film", but I have not seen it differ much from PP+G and you would lose the "borderless" feature.

I was afraid of that. If it's true, then everyone using ultra pro satin should be experiencing this as well.

Has anyone else noticed these dots/pooling?

Does anyone know of non-canon paper that has images as smooth as the photo paper pro?

Joe Barnhart said:

S. Shiu said:

I have been using the Red River Ultra Pro Satin (4x6) paper and
find that I am able to see visible dots. Especially on skin tones.

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It looks like you're doing everything right. The dots you see may
be due to the ink "pooling" on the paper before it soaks in. Canon
PPP does not exhibit this behavior, but many inkjet papers do. The
RR papers aren't as bad about it as some (e.g. Kodak Premium), but
they do have a slower absorbtion rate than Canon PPP. You're
already printing on PP+G, which lays down ink more slowly than the
paper type "PPP" setting. You could try "high gloss photo film",
but I have not seen it differ much from PP+G and you would lose the
"borderless" feature.

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S. Shiu said:

I was afraid of that. If it's true, then everyone using ultra pro
satin should be experiencing this as well.

Has anyone else noticed these dots/pooling?

Does anyone know of non-canon paper that has images as smooth as
the photo paper pro?

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All my printing of late has been of flowers but the smoothness of the images is to die for. I'm using Pictorico paper, Photo Gallery, Glossy. The final images are "Stunning".

The paper handles, low contrast to high contrast images and for my eye, everything in the middle.

Hope this helps.

Have you tried printing without the ICC profile enabled? I would try turning that off and see what the results look like.

The Epson Premium Glossy paper and the photo papers from OfficeDepot are very good.

Thomas Gardner said:

S. Shiu said:

I was afraid of that. If it's true, then everyone using ultra pro
satin should be experiencing this as well.

Has anyone else noticed these dots/pooling?

Does anyone know of non-canon paper that has images as smooth as
the photo paper pro?

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S. Shiu said:

I was afraid of that. If it's true, then everyone using ultra pro
satin should be experiencing this as well.

Has anyone else noticed these dots/pooling?

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From what I've seen, you have to have pretty good eyes to see the texture of "ink pooling" at a typical viewing distance. I shoot 8x10s almost exclusively, and it occurs to me that you may see the "sandy" texture more if you printed on 4x6, which are typically viewed closer. Maybe that's the difference?

S. Shiu said:

Does anyone know of non-canon paper that has images as smooth as
the photo paper pro?

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Tom's and Amy's suggestions are excellent. While I've not tested the papers that Tom mentions, I've heard many good things about their line. I have tested the papers Amy suggests, and they are very absorbtive and don't have the ink pooling problem. Office Depot paper is on sale right now, and it is an excellent fit to the S9x printers.

I also have found the Ilford Galerie "Smooth" Gloss/Pearl are very absorbtive, while the Ilford Galerie "Classic" Gloss/Smooth are more like Red River in their absorbtion characteristics. The "smooth" papers are made with some kind of ceramic coating -- very interesting technology.

When it comes to soaking up ink and making dots invisible, the all-time champ is Canon PPP, at least of the papers I've tried so far.