Why we don't have AF tuning in 40d. I want to have AF tuning...

the vast majority of 40D users, which are NOT the users on here,
would probably mess their settings up and it would essentially CAUSE
more focusing problems and Canon would have to do MORE calibrations.

The 40D is an advanced hobbyist camera that is also bought by users
new to an SLR. If you put adjustment features that are too advanced
for the majority of your users, you'll end up with more calls to tech
support. This is likely Canon's rationale for their decision.

Plus the vast majority of 40d users, again not users on here, will
probably rarely shoot wide open and hence not really notice
misfocusing because they'll be at f5.6 to f8. Remember that the
average camera user and lower end SLR users usually shoot wider than
they have to which increases the DOF and they won't notice front/back
focusing compared to shooting a tight composition wide open at f1.8.
a tad convoluted reasoning, but then it is quite obvious, that if Canon will
not put it into xxD bodies soon (and it is pretty certain that competitors -
who did it already - sooner or latter, but perhaps sooner will do it exactly
right), they will be forced to do it latter anyway, loosing even more by
postponement :)

jpr2
 
but it can still help troubleshoot AF issues and is farb etter than
nothing in an emergency. and both situations have hit me, so what can
i say, i wish they had included it.
Well, in 30 years of photography I've never had an AF emergency. And
a solution that still requires me to send the camera/lens back to
factory just doesn't sound that exciting to me.
40D comes out, you get first one off the line and head out on a trip the next day....

you have access to shoot sports from teh sidelines and don't want to lose one of those precious chances while your camera is out for 2-3 weeks....

you are not sure if the issue is as simple as BF/FF or if the AF unit itself is a little flaky(look at Daniella's 1st 40D, that AF unit seemed flaky, not just FF/BF)....
 
canon actually used to release the actual software to really do it the exact way they do it, but then decided to guard the tech CD's more carefully than Fort Knox.
If I could really calibrate my system at home that would be a
different matter. I would love it if Canon provided a real
functional solution, unlike Nikon.
same here.

and let's be honest, canon FIRST put this in a body less than a year
ago. nikon copied it onto two bodies. it's pretty well still at
it's infancy as far as a feature.
 
research the camera before you buy it. If a camera doesn't have the
features you want then DON'T buy it - buy the one that does. If you
have to pay more to get what you want then do it and get the features
you want. Simple enough...
simple enough if you have a spare $3000....

or if you don't mind switching brands and goign through the whole lens sale and swap every product cycle or whatever.
 
research the camera before you buy it. If a camera doesn't have the
features you want then DON'T buy it - buy the one that does. If you
have to pay more to get what you want then do it and get the features
you want. Simple enough...
simple enough if you have a spare $3000....
or if you don't mind switching brands and goign through the whole
lens sale and swap every product cycle or whatever.
I understand your point but IF some people want the latest and greatest in DSLR then they will need lost of spare $$$. The OP said he would be willing to pay extra $$$ - so why is he complaining that the D300 has something that the 40D doesn't? If he doesn't want to switch brands then get the MK III - If he is worried about the MK III troubles then maybe he should go Nikon....

My point is, there are plenty of options and sure it aint cheap but how can we complain about features that are not there when we go in knowing they arent there???
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Rachel
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Putting AF micro adjustment in the 40D would SAVE Canon money because
people would tweak their own bodies to accommodate small variations
in lens/body AF accuracy. This would vastly reduce the number of
free in-warranty lens and body adjustments that Canon is forced to
perform.
I wonder if it would save Canon money. Could the micro adjustment on an consumer (almost entry level) body cause more problems for the shooter? I think Canon would still see plenty of users with adjustment troubles but with a new twist. I don't know, just wondering.

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Rachel
CATS member #51 > ^..^
Hummingbird Hunter #6
 
Sorry, when I buy an autofocus camera, I expect it to autofocus properly.

Essentially, a feature(?) such as this is a public declartion that camera manufacturer cannot gauruntee autfocus accuracy, to any degree of reliabilty, and it must now fall to the consumer to repair their own cameras.

Thank you, but , No!
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Gary Friedman
 
I think almost everything what you can adjust manualy is better or sometimes just correct little what camera is done. It is not important what it is canon , nikon, pentax, camera , car, computer, bike . The same like you can shoot manually or correct camera adjustment (over or underexposure.....)
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lepski
 
Too many people that already have trouble with things like WB, Picture Styles, shooting weddings after they've owned a camera for 10 minutes...that sort of thing... They'd screw it up and then complain that is was Canon's fault they could get a decent shot. I sometimes think there are more people around here complaining about cameras then there are those that actually shoot with the darn things.
 
about how the camera's meter works, and what that means in the
various auto modes! How would such people cope with a feature that
allows them to adjust the AF precision? After thoroughly fouling up
AF with bogus tests, they would flood the forums, and retailers, with
complaints and returned cameras. What company would volunteer for
that outcome?

"We" get nailed because we, for whatever reason, are also using the
inexpensive part of Canon's SLR line up. We have to take the bad with
the good and work through the problems. That means getting the camera
serviced if it really needs servicing. IMHO, that's a decent trade
off. Canon gives us stuff that we REALLY need while withholding stuff
that would cause support nightmares.
Exactly... The xxD cameras are a bargain...lots of bang for the buck to be had there. If other features are more important, Canon offers cameras with those as well. Granted at another price point, but available nonetheless. I'd love to have a new computer with dual 3Ghz processors & 16 gig of ram...and for less than the price of a used Amiga but it ain't gonna happen. You want ALL the bells & whistle you'll have to "move up" out of the consumer end of the pool.
 
Since you have to explicitly go into the custom function to make the adjustment, the casual shooters won't even mess with it. It'll be like most of the other custom functions. The person who is not really serious about it all won't even realize the feature exists.

So the folks who initially buy a DSLR just to have a fancy-looking P&S will most likely use the camera set to its defaults, in the "basic zone". And that's fine, especially as they start out. Later, if they learn more, and become interested in the potential of using more of the adjustments and customization, hopefully they'll have learned enough to put the features to good use.

People who do venture into playing with this feature always have the "return to defaults" to get things set back to normal in case they find that they've messed things up. I'm sure the people at Canon's tech support line spend a lot of time telling people to reset all custom functions to their defaults as the starting point for most troubleshooting. They probably hear a lot of the sound of people slapping themselves on the forehead after trying that ;-)

There are so many custom functions that a person can get set "wrong" already that I don't think there's too much danger of increased traffic to Canon repair due to this. After all, think about how easy it is to just get the FEC or EC set and then feel that your camera is horribly mis-exposing. At a certain level, in order to have the features we love on these DSLRs, you do have to give the owner a bit of "rope" with which to hang themselves. These cameras are already loaded with features and adjustments that could easily cause confusion to a new DSLR shooter.

The way I see it, the people who would be likely to play with the AF micro adjust are the people who would be most likely to return a camera to the dealer or send it in to be adjusted due to dissatisfaction with the focus. They're already on the verge of sending the camera in at that point. Perhaps if they felt that they had some control over things, and were somewhat responsible for the AF accuracy of their own camera, they might be more satisfied.

People like to feel that they've got some control over things and if they have that control, then they tend to take responsibility rather than blame the equipment or someone else for their problems. That's not to say that some of these cameras don't have problems, of course, and some of these problems could not be solved by micro adjust anyhow. But minor front or back focus issues, particularly with one lens and not another could be handled with this feature.

I see so many posts on this forum where someone is asking if they've got a problem or not. To me, if you can't tell that you've got a problem, then it must be fairly subtle. And that sort of subtle focus calibration issue is just exactly what the lens micro AF adjustment is meant to take care of.

Of course, inconsistent or grossly out of calibration problems should be returned to Canon for repair or adjustment. For one thing, Canon needs to have the feedback IMO. And for another, you shouldn't need to use something like micro adjustment to hide gross problems with the equipment. But I really think the intent of the micro adjust is simply to give us a way to handle minor adjustments.

Since the AF is specified only to achieve focus within + or - one DOF with all of the f/5.6 AF points, it could well be that this fairly wide tolerance, while within factory specs, is not good enough for people. If they've got a way to dial their exact camera and body combination in such that it's better than that, then they'll be happier.

For these small variations from lens to lens or just a slight body AF bias, this seems like a nice feature to have.

Still, I'm sure you're right that a few people would manage to confuse themselves with it. Hopefully, they'd just reset it to defaults before becoming too concerned, though.

I really do think that if people could map their own hot pixels and perform their own micro AF adjustments, it'd save Canon some money. Oly has given people the pixel mapping for years and I'm sure it saves them money along with making their customers happier.

There is a subtle psychological effect to this too. If you have an on-camera adjustment or auto-mapping feature, it says to the customer that these problems are not unusual and that they're expected to some extent. So people end up being more accepting of the appearance of hot-pixels. They just map them out. If this wasn't "normal" then the camera would not have a facility for taking care of it.

With a Canon, people are in a panic when they see a hot pixel. "Oh, no, my camera is broken. I need to send it back..."

The same is probably somewhat true for minor AF bias. If people had a way to tweak it themselves, they'd be less likely to view it as a defect or problem. It'd just be normal variation that we're expected to adjust on our own.

It's hard to say what Canon's thinking is when deciding not to provide this feature on the XXDs. It may be that they've weighed all of this and thought that only the "pros" could handle it. But I suspect that it's more likely that they just felt that they'd leave it off of the less expensive cameras as a way to add a feature to the more expensive ones.

Now that Nikon and others are giving it to the low-end bodies, Canon may feel more pressure to do the same. It's hard to say what they'll do or what their reasoning has been or will be. Sometimes it'd be fun to know exactly what sort of thinking does go on when these decisions are made.

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Jim H.
 
40D comes out, you get first one off the line and head out on a trip
the next day....

you have access to shoot sports from teh sidelines and don't want to
lose one of those precious chances while your camera is out for 2-3
weeks....

you are not sure if the issue is as simple as BF/FF or if the AF unit
itself is a little flaky(look at Daniella's 1st 40D, that AF unit
seemed flaky, not just FF/BF)....
The 40D is less expensive than the D300, so I would guess that an AF fine-tune feature would not be as well implemented in it as it is in the more expensive Nikon.

But it turns out that the D300's AF fine-tune feature is not very useful unless you are willing to have your lens focus correctly only at one zoom distance, with one aperture setting and a consistent distance from the subject. However, this would not be much of a solution for shooting sports from the sidelines in an AF emergency. Might as well take your chances with manual focus.

Now, if Canon implemented the feature better than Nikon did that would be great, but it would probably force the 40D into a higher price point.

Sal
 
I have made a list of the features my next camera must have and AF
fine tuning is one of those musts.

So, if I have to purchase a camera before this fall it will be a
Nikon D300.

Other must have features are:

1. High resolution LCD
does that really make a difference? Honestly I cannot really see a difference in the field between my 40d and my boyfriend's d300.

They AF about the same in performance, they have about the same burst rate and we get about the same photos..depending on our position etc..

so why pay 600$ more? hmmmm....AF fine tuning is only needed if you have serious problem...which I don't. My boyfriends lenses also don't require that and if it did, he would rather send them for calibration rather than use the AF fine tuning.

Both our cameras have pin sharp AF, so I guess that's how it's supposed to be.
2. Live view high resolution
personaly I prefer to have the exposure preview than a high res thing which I cannot really see. Maybe I need glasses but I just can't see much difference :)

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'Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'
 
No one with a Canon 40D has any business using Nikon as a standard
for AF performance/features. At one time, there were entire Web sites
devoted to blasting Nikon for its incompetence in this area. Things
have improved somewhat, but Canon is still well ahead of the pack.
for AF? well I would love to have 51 one points tracking my subject in flight instead of 9...how does that sound?

Still, my 40 does pretty good in the field although I have to be quite a bit more careful not to shift my subject off all the 9 focusing point or I lose my focus and it goes havock. If I had 51 points, there is really not much risk that I would lose my target. Now it work but I must be really steady and not let the subject shift.

both the 40D and 300D does really well for AF trakcing on fast subject, but you have to be more careful and steady with the 40D.
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'Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'
 
The point being made - and which I agree entirely with - is that by providing a camera with a built-in "fudge" fix for AF accuracy problems" you're essentially admitting that there might be problems with the AF that make the fudge necessary in the first place...
 
research the camera before you buy it. If a camera doesn't have the
features you want then DON'T buy it - buy the one that does. If you
have to pay more to get what you want then do it and get the features
you want. Simple enough...
If people never complain or request things, we would never get them. It took loads of moaning for CAnon to finaly do something about the darn lost of file when opening the CF card door..they finaly did it but probably only because many many people complained.

It's good that people let companies like Canon know what they want..it's good to voice it so there is better chance to get it in the future.
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Rachel
CATS member #51 > ^..^
Hummingbird Hunter #6
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http://www.pbase.com/zylen

'Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'
 
Heaven forbid that someone should take the time to learn the craft... ;-)

I think it's interesting, and a bit telling, that a local college here REQUIRES that all new photo students have a 35mm FILM camera. I didn't know that until a friends son needed help finding one. They then go through the whole process, chemicals and all. Only then are they allowed to move on to anything digital.

Ah, I love the smell of D-76 in the morning... ;-)
 

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