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A true artist needs no megapixels!
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Brian D. Schneider
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psychenaut
Active member
my two cents:
in my opinion, art is in the eye of the beholder. does this mean that i think those black and white pics are art? no. but art is like opinion. not fact. for me, art basically is expression. good art sends a powerful message through craft, creativity, and skill. so, i guess i will concede that those pictures are art. but not good art.
now, will everyone stop using arguments filled with logical fallicies to attack each other's definition of art and stick to the discussion?
btw, i do believe that the original poster has made a very good point. i know that i've been guilty of being too caught up in megapixels and other specifications and not enough time thinking about the picture and what it is i want to capture and convey. as a group we spend too much time worrying about cracks and other frivolous things and not enough time on maybe talking about subjects and how we approach capturing them. when i saw the pictures taken by the person with his visor, i realized that i have a shell that i need to break out of.
one last thing. if people want to take macro pictures of flowers, pictures of their family, or their pets and post them up here, let them. this is not an art snob forum. this is a camera forum. their work is welcome. it may not be your taste but then again, no one is forcing you to come here and look at them. grow up.
Ryan
in my opinion, art is in the eye of the beholder. does this mean that i think those black and white pics are art? no. but art is like opinion. not fact. for me, art basically is expression. good art sends a powerful message through craft, creativity, and skill. so, i guess i will concede that those pictures are art. but not good art.
now, will everyone stop using arguments filled with logical fallicies to attack each other's definition of art and stick to the discussion?
btw, i do believe that the original poster has made a very good point. i know that i've been guilty of being too caught up in megapixels and other specifications and not enough time thinking about the picture and what it is i want to capture and convey. as a group we spend too much time worrying about cracks and other frivolous things and not enough time on maybe talking about subjects and how we approach capturing them. when i saw the pictures taken by the person with his visor, i realized that i have a shell that i need to break out of.
one last thing. if people want to take macro pictures of flowers, pictures of their family, or their pets and post them up here, let them. this is not an art snob forum. this is a camera forum. their work is welcome. it may not be your taste but then again, no one is forcing you to come here and look at them. grow up.
Ryan
Can we please at least get a synopsis of those "more than a thousand words"?
How bout a paragraph? I can't find one!
Gene Horodecki
Forum Enthusiast
I'm afraid I don't see your point. This has everything to do with composition. The pictures we are talking about are well composed. Most of them have a simplicity with just a little tweak, enough to make them interesting. I'm not saying they're GREAT art, but they are amusing to look at. You've tried to disprove that they're art by taking pictures that aren't art. I think you'd like to say that your pictures aren't art, and since yours are the same as the original webcam pictures then they aren't art either.
However, the failure of your arguement is the fact that yours are nothing like the original webcam pics. You didn't even try to make yours good.
However, the failure of your arguement is the fact that yours are nothing like the original webcam pics. You didn't even try to make yours good.
Gene Horodecki
Forum Enthusiast
Ok for anyone who has argued that these pictures aren't art bacause they're boring and don't invoke a reaction.. I'd like to point out that there are around 50 messages in this thread!
Well, at least some people agree with me, and like my not_art just as much as the others! I quote:
"Hey... that gallery is great! the pictures are black and white, and they show everyday objects under a new, refreshing, unconventional perspective!"
and
"I especially like the one with the coin standing among the other coins not standing. It's brilliant!"
oh.. and I think this guy gets the point:
"he created the same pictures as that other guy, by pretty much pointing shooting, that's it. for both this and the first one, there is no composistion."
Come on Malibu, give me a break! I'm not saying that this guy didn't create a mildly interesting gallery using only a webcam. Ok, he didn't (in my opinion) and the shots are blurry and out of focus. But what I am saying is that there is no reason why everyone should be up in arms about how good these shots are. They are boring and NOT IN FOCUS. Why? Not for some artistic reason, but because its the best the webcam can do!
I can't see the argument that he was 'using such lousy equipment and tethered to a 3 foot radius, and look what he created!'. Anyone, and I MEAN ANYONE can do this. with any camera. What I did was not supposed to be as (sic.) good as his, but maybe if I spent more than 5 minutes I could have created a gallery of (sic.) art like his. Anyone here can do that. It's not special.
"Hey... that gallery is great! the pictures are black and white, and they show everyday objects under a new, refreshing, unconventional perspective!"
and
"I especially like the one with the coin standing among the other coins not standing. It's brilliant!"
oh.. and I think this guy gets the point:
"he created the same pictures as that other guy, by pretty much pointing shooting, that's it. for both this and the first one, there is no composistion."
Come on Malibu, give me a break! I'm not saying that this guy didn't create a mildly interesting gallery using only a webcam. Ok, he didn't (in my opinion) and the shots are blurry and out of focus. But what I am saying is that there is no reason why everyone should be up in arms about how good these shots are. They are boring and NOT IN FOCUS. Why? Not for some artistic reason, but because its the best the webcam can do!
I can't see the argument that he was 'using such lousy equipment and tethered to a 3 foot radius, and look what he created!'. Anyone, and I MEAN ANYONE can do this. with any camera. What I did was not supposed to be as (sic.) good as his, but maybe if I spent more than 5 minutes I could have created a gallery of (sic.) art like his. Anyone here can do that. It's not special.
Yeah, and THAT makes it art?? It's not the photos that invoke a reaction, it's the people here that are are saying how artistic they are.
It's easy to say things and evoke a reaction. It's called trolling!
Todd Smith62732
Well-known member
How is this "something different"? He took macro shots of everything he found on his desk. Isn't this what everybody does when they first get their new camera?
I'm really not all that impressed with these, but I have to wonder what you would think of this gallery if they were taken with a more expensive camera.
If I took a bunch of pictures of things I found on my desk with my G2, would you be here raving about what a great artist I am, or do you find this artistic simply because they were taken with a cheap camera?
Here's a blurry, crooked, black and white, macro shot I just took of something I found lying on my desk:
Does this make me a great artist now?
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http://www.pbase.com/toddsm66/g2
Todd
I'm really not all that impressed with these, but I have to wonder what you would think of this gallery if they were taken with a more expensive camera.
If I took a bunch of pictures of things I found on my desk with my G2, would you be here raving about what a great artist I am, or do you find this artistic simply because they were taken with a cheap camera?
Here's a blurry, crooked, black and white, macro shot I just took of something I found lying on my desk:
Does this make me a great artist now?
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http://www.pbase.com/toddsm66/g2
Todd
Geesh, could you warn us next time! I could have nightmares for days over this.
Well, it's a photograph. For me, that's about it. It doesn't evoke any type of response. So for me, it's not artistic. I would call it a photo.
In fact, I don't even like the term art.
art1 Pronunciation Key (ärt)
n.
1.Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
a.The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
b.The study of these activities.
c.The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
4.A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
5.A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
6.a.A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
b.A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
7. a.Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
b.Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: “Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice” (Joyce Carol Oates).
8. arts a.Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
b.Artful contrivance; cunning.
0,Printing. Illustrative material.
...but I think that's enough for me. Sometimes debates are fun, but people are probably getting sick if his thread.
No one is going to change their opinions on art. And ya know what... that's fine!
I'm signing off on this one.
No one is going to change their opinions on art. And ya know what... that's fine!
I'm signing off on this one.
graph (g3)
Veteran Member
me, the poster of this message is tired of reading it too. bye now.
Dan Ferrin
Veteran Member
This has been one of the most amusing and absurd threads I've ever read on this forum. Now that we all know what art is, how about we discuss something important, like the meaning of life?
Dan
http://www.pbase.com/digital_edge
(It's art if I say it is)
I must be a photographer - I keep running around in circles of confusion.
Dan
http://www.pbase.com/digital_edge
(It's art if I say it is)
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I must be a photographer - I keep running around in circles of confusion.
mike savad
Veteran Member
are you certain?
would you say the same thing if they didn't arrange like a gallery? if it was a test picture for that camera. if he said, this is my camera i did a few test shots, i guess it works.
i found the shots to be nothing but random shots of desk clutter.
---Mike Savad
http://www.pbase.com/savad/
would you say the same thing if they didn't arrange like a gallery? if it was a test picture for that camera. if he said, this is my camera i did a few test shots, i guess it works.
i found the shots to be nothing but random shots of desk clutter.
---Mike Savad
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http://www.pbase.com/savad/
Gene Horodecki
Forum Enthusiast
AussieAndrew
Active member
Personally,
I like this image .
I like the Nuns captured on an escalator, rising towards an overexposed area
(otherwise to be interpreted as "the light" or heaven)
The deliberate overexposure appeals to my sense of humor, and sets this image apart.
As they say in the classics,
ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER
cheers,
AussieAndrew
I like this image .
I like the Nuns captured on an escalator, rising towards an overexposed area
(otherwise to be interpreted as "the light" or heaven)
The deliberate overexposure appeals to my sense of humor, and sets this image apart.
As they say in the classics,
ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER
cheers,
AussieAndrew
mike savad
Veteran Member
i consider these more creative and more thought out then the other photo's. something that not just anyone can go out and capture - the horse and the bus, not easy to find. a monitor grill - pretty easy and very repeatable. nuns on an escalator - or a partially eaten thing. guy resting his chin, in the forground and background - a key chain up close...
now i don't know if these are considered art. quite frankly after thinking about it, i don't consider photography art at all. true art comes from the mind and the heart, expressed with your hands in someway and is created from that. something that didn't exist before, exists now. something that isn't repeatable. a photo can be done by anyone. there is creativity in a photo however.
---Mike Savad
http://www.pbase.com/savad/
now i don't know if these are considered art. quite frankly after thinking about it, i don't consider photography art at all. true art comes from the mind and the heart, expressed with your hands in someway and is created from that. something that didn't exist before, exists now. something that isn't repeatable. a photo can be done by anyone. there is creativity in a photo however.
---Mike Savad
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http://www.pbase.com/savad/
Brian D. Schneider
Veteran Member
Sure why not.
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