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Hi everyone!

I am having some problems decideing whats right, then let start.

First I use E-510 and kit lenses for now, and going to buy myself one good flash.

My first option is FL-36R,is iz true that is useless to throw away money for FL-36R(remote) it is non going to work without camera-remote, is it better to buy FL-36 then buy some wireless slave triggers instead and get the same thing as owners of E-3 get with FL-36R.

Is diference between prices of FL-36 and FL-50 worth it, for regular using, for portraits, some distant macros,(intending to buy Sigma 150mm MACRO).

And just one more; what trigger to buy, the one witch needs additional flash(like on camera) to be triggered or a whireless two devices like reciver and the other one on the flashes hot shoe, the prices are VERY different for the first one around 1-10 $, and second around 50 $ (all on e-bay)

Thx
Igor
-----------------E-510, 14-42mm, 40-150mm---------
 
maxigor said:
is it better to buy FL-36 then buy some wireless slave
triggers instead and get the same thing as owners of E-3 get with
FL-36R.
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A wireless slave trigger attached to the FL-36 is NOT the same thing as E-3 with FL-36R. The later supports TTL modes for the remote flashes, the former does not. May or may not be important to you.

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Leon



http://picasaweb.google.com/travelfotografer

E-1 (FS-2, SHLD-2 & GS-2), E-500, ZD 11-22, 14-54, 50-200 & EC-14, FL-36... rest in Profile.
 
until Olympus either updates the E-410/510 or introduces a model between those and the E-3.

There will be one new model at least this year with wireless flash, so I think buying a wireless-enabled flash is a good idea.

You might also opt for the Metz 48 AF-1 (Olympus), a dedicated flash for the 4/3 system. It does not support wireless yet, but the firmware update to introduce this feature is underway and scheduled for this year.

With a guide number of 48 it is between the FL-36 and the FL-50, however, it is priced below the FL-36R. The great design and its 'Made in Germany' quality are other advantages.

Best,
Magnus
 
And what about whireless slave trigger attached to FL-36R or FL-50R and away from camera (E-510), is this the same as E-1 with FL-36R or FL50R???

Thx
 
The Fl-36R and FL-50R have built-in optical slave triggers. Or are you talking about radio-based slave triggers?

The Fl-36R and FL-50R on the E-1 hot-shoe will behave just like the non-R versions. With a flash attached to the E-1 hot-shoe, you can trigger a remote Fl-36R or FL-50R via their built-in optical slave triggers, but you do not have TTL control, only AUTO or MANUAL modes for the Fl-36R and FL-50R.
maxigor said:
And what about whireless slave trigger attached to FL-36R or FL-50R
and away from camera (E-510), is this the same as E-1 with FL-36R or
FL50R???

Thx
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Leon



http://picasaweb.google.com/travelfotografer

E-1 (FS-2, SHLD-2 & GS-2), E-500, ZD 11-22, 14-54, 50-200 & EC-14, FL-36... rest in Profile.
 
It might not be a waste to get the FL-36R (or FL-50R) now in anticipation of a firmware update for the E-510, or if you might consider getting the Metz 58 AF-1 in the future.

Apparently (or subject to an undetermined firmware update from Metz), the Metz 58 AF-1 can serve as a controller flash for the Olympus RC system. You can control the remote RC flashes via the Metz 58 AF-1 interface on the flash unit itself.
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Leon



http://picasaweb.google.com/travelfotografer

E-1 (FS-2, SHLD-2 & GS-2), E-500, ZD 11-22, 14-54, 50-200 & EC-14, FL-36... rest in Profile.
 
Magnus Bosse said:
With a guide number of 48 it is between the FL-36 and the FL-50,
however, it is priced below the FL-36R. The great design and its
'Made in Germany' quality are other advantages.
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Metz have give the guide number of their flashguns with the zoom head set at maximum (Canon do the same). Olympus list the guide number with the zoom head set at 50mm.

At the 50mm setting, the Metz guide number is much closer to 36, the same as the Olympus FL-36.

Is it 'made in Germany'?
 
Kuppenbender said:
Metz have give the guide number of their flashguns with the zoom head
set at maximum (Canon do the same). Olympus list the guide number
with the zoom head set at 50mm.
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Sadly, Olympus does this too. They list their guide numbers at the flash's maximum tele setting, which is 42mm (85mm equiv.) for both FL-36 and FL-50.
Kuppenbender said:
At the 50mm setting, the Metz guide number is much closer to 36, the
same as the Olympus FL-36.
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The corresponding setting on the Oly flashses - 25mm (50mm equiv.) - gives about GN29 for the FL-50, GN21 for the FL-36.

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Ragnar
 
Thanks for all the answer, but I am kind of confused, then I am going to repeate my need for flash,

I need good flash lets say FL-50/R or Metz 58- AF1, how with my E-510 I make them to work full whirelles with now additional flash attached to hot shou of the camera or pop out flash on camera youst , one flash and the camera settings, can I get TTL (metering?) change flash setting on camera, and if I can do this, what additional devices I nedd (whireless slave triggers, or optical???).

I hope that you understand my needs now!

Thank for all your answers in advance

------------E-510, 14-42 mm, 40-150mm-----------
 
The only options you have is either the E-3 or the SP560/570 UWZ P&S cameras. Which leaves you with a very consistent choice: either the top-of-the-line Olymus DSLR, or the top-of-the-line Olympus P&S.

Best,
Magnus

p.s.: I deliberately did not touch the option of using a Metz 58 flash as TTL remote trigger mounted on camera. I have bot seen or tested this option.
 
Rajraj said:
Kuppenbender said:
Metz have give the guide number of their flashguns with the zoom head
set at maximum (Canon do the same). Olympus list the guide number
with the zoom head set at 50mm.
Click to expand...
Sadly, Olympus does this too. They list their guide numbers at the
flash's maximum tele setting, which is 42mm (85mm equiv.) for both
FL-36 and FL-50.
Click to expand...
This is correct.
Ragnar Jensen said:
Ragnar Jensen said:
At the 50mm setting, the Metz guide number is much closer to 36, the
same as the Olympus FL-36.
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The corresponding setting on the Oly flashses - 25mm (50mm equiv.) -
gives about GN29 for the FL-50, GN21 for the FL-36.
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When I set my FL-36 in Manual mode and manually zooms to 25 mm (50 mm 135 eqv.), the display on the flash tells med GN = 28. It gets GN=20 when zoomed out to the widest position =12 mm (24mm 135 eqv.) and 22 at 14 mm.

This is also in line with the specifications stated in the manual.
 
Actually, the Metz 58 and 48 will (if they work as advertised) give wireless TTL to any Four-Thirds body. I am thinking of going the Metz 58/48 route for my E-1 and E-500.

May I ask why you "deliberately did not touch the option of using a Metz 58 flash as TTL remote trigger mounted on camera"?
Magnus Bosse said:
p.s.: I deliberately did not touch the option of using a Metz 58
flash as TTL remote trigger mounted on camera. I have bot seen or
tested this option.
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Leon



http://picasaweb.google.com/travelfotografer

E-1 (FS-2, SHLD-2 & GS-2), E-500, ZD 11-22, 14-54, 50-200 & EC-14, FL-36... rest in Profile.
 
Yes that my wish to use just one flash, and if I can somehow trigger it away from my E-510, better option without disturbing flash of camera pop-up flash(or other), from your aswers to my questions I see that my options where narrowed down to FL-50R(and optical slave trigger on camera+pop up flash triggering) or Metz 58 (then I get the same thing like with FL-50R, again optical slave trigger on camera+pop up flash triggering)) or on the other hand for those two flashes buy some whireless trigger around not so cheap 40-50$ and then get full whireless TTL , and Auto, Manual ...etc modes!?

Sorry for confusing you with my questions, newer had hot shoe flash before, and becouse of that trying to hear all of the options...

Thx , again for helping me
 
EspE1, you are absolutely correct. I misread the GN tables in the instruction manuals. Thanks for spotting it!

FL-50 = GN40 @ 25mm (50mm equiv.)
FL-36 = GN28 @ 25mm (50mm equiv.)

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Ragnar
 
And can I get whirelles TTL control with radio triggers on camera and flash, seen one on e-bay for about 50$, or I just get sama thins as with just FL-50R, and dont just need to trigger it optical-with flash on camera(pop up)????

Please if anyone has this combination, let me now becose I am gonna buy FL-50R next week so need to be sure!!

E-510=> pre flash(pop up) => FL-50R (triggering and without TTL control?)

E-510=> whireless radio trigger on camera and on FL-50R=> no nedd to use preflash=> TTL control or not??

Do I get any controls of flash on camera(either the one I have now with built in flash(pop up))
 
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