Format for saving digital photos?

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I am new to Photoshop and am not sure which format is best to save my work. I have been shooting a little and using RAW plus Large JPG to save to the Compact Flash. I have been making a few adjustments to the RAW images in Canon Digital Photo Professional software(included with the camera) and then exporting to Photoshop.

Is this the best procedure?

Also, should I save/convert the RAW to TIFF or JPG and when?

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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Steve Raleigh, NC
Canon 40D with 17-55 f/2.8
 
If you have Photoshop CS3 and have installed Adobe Camera Raw 4.3, I would recommend doing all of your editing in Photoshop. If you haven't installed Adobe Camera Raw 4.3 go to Adobe's web site and download and install it. It is necessary to edit Canon EOS 40D RAW (CR2) images.

You should do the following:

1. Open the RAW image in Photoshop CS3.

2. Edit in RAW if you would like, but I find that I have more options if I click on "Open Image" and then use the features of Photoshop.

3. Once in photoshop and your picture is open click "Control - (minus) to reduce the size of the image.
4. Click on Image/Duplicate.

5. This is the image that editing is to done on. You do not want to alter your RAW, original.

You now can do almost anything you wish by using any or all of the features in Photoshop CS3. If you have your monitor calibrated, then I would suggest using the color settings, and print features in Photoshop and print the edited image before saving.

As far as saving, you have many choices, but if you want to put your pictures on the web and in this forum you will have to save to jpeg. If you do not wish to go this way, you can use Canon's Digital Photo Professional. Select your image and click File/Convert and save. This will give a 16bit TIFF image that you can then save.
 
Personally, I don't think it's worth shooting raw AND jpg since it just takes more room. If you shoot raw, you can easilly convert them to jpg on your pc after the fact.

A raw file is more like a negative in that it always stays in the original format. When you make changes, like white balance, exposure, etc. you aren't changing the file, but rather adding changes to an embedded source that basically makes the changes over the image when you open it. Whereas with a jpg, you need to save the original, and save every single version you make, so you end up often saving many, many more files.
 
Actually, the first thing you should do is to save your raw files to cd, dvd or other storage method. That way you will always have your "original negatives" safely tucked away. Actually it's said you should save two copies and keep one at another site. I don't go that far but I do first save mine. After that you can work on pp without fear of losing your original. As far as file format for saving your work once it's complete, probably jpeg, especially if you're just going to post it on the web or save it in an album or something. For making prints, I'm not sure. Maybe jpeg but maybe some other lossless format. Someone with experience can better answer that one.
Jerry
 
Native PhotoShop is the .psd format which saves layers and other stuff when an image has been manipulated.

I often use that save option, so I can later go back where I left off.

I also keep all originals, both RAW and JPG. (Only for those shots worth it)
 
Is this the best procedure?

• When you shoot in RAW, save the original images. From those saved images go into Photo Shop and do whatever changes you deem necessary. This way you always have the original in case you mess up playing around with the file in Photo Shop and can come back to it later on. Once you change anything save it as a .PSD or JPG file so you can see what you changed.

Also, should I save/convert the RAW to TIFF or JPG and when?

• If you are going to use that file for a print, most custom labs would want you to use a .TIFF file because of storage and memory issues. For example, lets say you made a collage in Photo Shop, if you saved that as a JPEG file, it will be huge thus it will slow the down the information being sent from the computer to the digital printer. A TIFF file does not contain that much information and prints almost instantly with no degradation. If you are going to archive it, JPEG is fine.
 
Actually, the tiff file will be much larger than a jpeg file as it is a lossless file meaning it doesn't compress or doesn't lose quality if compressed. When you save a jpeg file you lose something in the image quality every time you edit it and save it. That's what is so great about working with raw files. With the raw file you will probably only do a few things, things you can't do with a jpeg. Things like changing white balance for one. But the changes you make don't affect the original raw file and that's the other thing that makes using raw so good. Your digital negative remains intact, just like you shot it. I'm no pro and probably not the best at explaining things but between what some of the others here can tell you and doing some research and reading about raw files should help you appreciate shooting raw quite a bit. Best of luck.
Jerry
 
The format you use to save your file should be the most archival one that is available to you and that is not JPEG. It will depend and the type of system that you set up. I use the raw format that comes out of the camera. There are several things that you really need to understand clearly. JPEG is basically a file transfer protocol, it was designed in the mid 90s as a way for press photographers to transfer images over the phone lines. It compresses files down to a level that was compatible with the main way of transfer at that time, which was dial up. Simply by using compression it is a lossy file format. It compresses the the file by losing bits and pieces of the image data or bit depth. It loses data in several ways, most importantly by it's creation. A 40D works in resident 14 bit analog to digital conversion, which basically means that each pixel offers a information in over a trillion combinations of color and exposure data when you consider the whole sensor. If you save in raw this is the information you are saving, the total of the information that the sensor processed. When you save in TIFF you are changing the file from a 14 bit file to a 16 bit file. This does not increase the information, it just means that none is lost. A JPEG works in 8 bits, which reduces the original information down to mere millions of combinations for the data. A JPEG loses this information through out the whole image. It works on the same principle that your eyes work, it scans the image in a way very similar to your eye and loses data that your eyes won't miss, a little color depth here, a little detail there. Most of the time you never know that it's gone. The important thing to remember is that once it's gone it's gone forever. Every time you work with that file, UNLESS you work from a copy of that file, you will lose more information, because the process does it all again. Jpeg is a good format for what it is designed for, which is transferring images via the web.

IF you can work with raw format, do so. FInd and use one of the nondestructive editing solutions available, I use Aperture because I work in Mac. I'm not sure if DPP is nondestructive, I haven't used it. I know that the windows version that came with my Digital Rebel was destructive, in that edits made to those files . I haven't found a way to undo them once it has been saved.
 
I save RAW+the smallest jpeg (for my quick orientation) direct from my camera without any editing.
I can produce jpeg, tif, psd.. from my RAW whenever I want.

Remember, this is the one way street! - you cannot recover RAW if you have your jpeg, tif, psd saved only...

I save some psd with any unique and very extensive PP that I could hardly remember/repeat (whole afternoon job..) additionally.
 
your original RAW file will still be there even if you make changes with CS3 (you are not actually overwritting the file and it is similar to what RAW would show if you had in camera presets) ....the changes you made are still displayed there but you can go back to the original settings ...DPP does the same thing more or less

http://www.pbase.com/llukee/inbox&page=110
Does CS3 allow the user to overwrite the original RAW file? Up
through CS2 this was not an option.

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Doug
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http://thescambaiter.com
Fighting scammers WW for fun & justice
 
your original RAW file will still be there even if you make changes
with CS3 (you are not actually overwritting the file and it is
similar to what RAW would show if you had in camera presets)
....the changes you made are still displayed there but you can go
back to the original settings
In that case there is no need to create a duplicate, this requires additional space. CS2 does not modify the original file, it saves the RAW conversion settings in a separate .XML file, one for each image, I expect CS3 does the same. The previous comment (not yours) implied that one could alter the original RAW file in Photoshop, which is incorrect.
...DPP does the same thing more or less
DPP permits the user to overwrite the original RAW file. However any changes made to the file appear to be saved in the file as settings and the RAW image is not modified.
 
DPP is nondestructive in that the original image is not changed should the user chooses to overwrite the original RAW file. The settings that were changed in DPP for RAW processing are saved in the file and are applied when the file is opened again in DPP. This makes it appear the image has been modified, but it has not. These settings can be changed again, and are not cumulative.

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Best regards,
Doug
http://pbase.com/dougj

http://thescambaiter.com
Fighting scammers WW for fun & justice
 
Thanks for all the recommendations. I have been having some fun with a self-portrait of my wife and myself taken a dinner on Valentine's Day. I started with a RAW file downloaded into Canon Digital Photo Professional. Then exported it to Adobe Elements 6.0 which I got as a 30-day free trial. I think I will purchase the Elements. I liked using it. I am enjoying this digital photography hobby!
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Steve Raleigh, NC
Canon 40D with 17-55 f/2.8
 

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