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got told my photo is half-nude in series in Challenge 16-what do you think?

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Arlene said:
Ogre said:
woodsofthewest said:
That being said, the photo is clearly intended to be seductive, to
stimulate a man (or perhaps a woman too, I wouldn't know) to a
state of arousal. This is obvious not only in the style of
clothing worn by the model, but also by her facial expression and
the lighting selected by the photographer. If you do not believe
this, then you should read some books on sexuality. Men are highly
visual, think of sex often, and automatically take notice of an
attractive woman (heterosexuals).

This style of photography is very popular in our society, and is
very lucrative for the photographers and publishers, although
seldom the models. It should not surprise you, however, that
public placement of this picture would meet with less than
universal acceptance.

I do not judge you for taking the picture, or even for posting the
picture. But really, if you honestly expect NO ONE to be offended
by a picture that is seductive in nature, then you are not being
realistic.
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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Thanks Wes,

I really aprreciate your very articulate 2 cents.

Love, Arlene
Wes said:
Arlene:
I would like to applaud you for standing firm on your views. I do
not consider your thread to be whining. It’s a controversy, this
is obvious. Most people would have lost their composure and
twisted off by now, you have been very patient and professional in
your responses.
I wish only to add/reinforce a couple of points:
a) Our local mall is a “family site” and I see photos like these
at the mall. I think that my kids see more “provocative” and
“semi-clad” photos on the side of buses!
b) the model’s flirtaceous expression captures her persona – people
really do flirt – in real life - honest!
c) I wasn’t’ thinking “whoa baby what’s your number” like some of
the unconstrained types – these ones give all us men a bad rap. My
first thoughts were excellent lighting, no wrinkles – smooth skin,
what a capture of expression…..guess I’m not the norm, just a
photographer at heart.
d) I agree, glamour is a type of portraiture.
e) The eligibility of the photos in the challenge is determined by
the one who hosts it. The host must ensure that rules within
dpreview and pbase are observed. You asked and Sarah approved.
So simple.
f) Maybe if North American society wasn’t so preoccupied with
nudity issues, we wouldn’t be so uptight about it. It’s become
like the forbidden fruit, it’s so taboo that when it’s seen men go
ogley and their wives get offended. We would rather show a person
machine gunned to death in the movies than a nude person. Ever
told your kids not to look in that box in the garage – what is the
result – their curiosity drives them – they eventually will look in
the box! We have created this – tell them its taboo to look at and
they only go looking for it (have you seen college spring break
antics these days – crazy – what are we doing??). We could learn a
thing or two from our European cousins.
g) I like your photographs for what they are, not what they aren’t
or what they should be. Keep up the good work!
Regards
…Wes
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everytime you try to make a posting under posting rule:

Glamour / Nude / Bikini pictures - Please do not embed such images in your messages, while we understand that such pictures (tastefully shot) are a big part of commercial photography we do have a worldwide audience and wide range of paying advertisers. If you wish to bring a gallery of such images to peoples attention then please just post a link.
Arlene said:
Dee, is this really true. I've never heard that before. Where is
this posted?
Arlene
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1ofUs! said:
That being said I've followed this post on and off and have been
amazed at the high number of posters that seem to be focusing the
discussion on the fact that the model is more clothed than say
beach goers, or the women modeling bras in some catalogue. To me,
the question of whether or not the pic is "indecent" has little to
do with nudity. After all, the vast majority of "reasonable and
prudent" people would consider Michaelangelo's nude depictions as
fine art. Likewise that same crowd would consider nudes as
depicted in pornography as nothing close to art. Of course the
extremes on either end of the spectrum will take issue with that
statement. But to make the argument the pic is acceptable simply
because she has more clothes on than some other common examples in
our society makes no sense.

It also seems an odd choice of titles for these photos as "glamour"
shots. I've never thought of glamour and
suggestive/provocative/erotic as synonomous. Too bad we feel the
need to glamourize women through focusing on sexuality.

CindyD
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well said, cindy! i think you are a very wise lady. =)

my two cents... i am not prudish neither overly conservative. but if you ask me, i would think that the said photo(s) is/are out of place in the challenge. you just need to take a look at the other entries within the challenge.

however, the bottom line is of course, the challenge moderator calls the shot!

have a nice day everybody! =)
 
Oh yeah, I see it.

I wonder how Phil defines a glamour shot. Love to get his point of view on the five shots in the challenge series and if any would be acceptable for embeding in a message on dpreview forum?

Love, Arlene
Violet said:
Glamour / Nude / Bikini pictures - Please do not embed such images
in your messages, while we understand that such pictures
(tastefully shot) are a big part of commercial photography we do
have a worldwide audience and wide range of paying advertisers. If
you wish to bring a gallery of such images to peoples attention
then please just post a link.
Arlene said:
Dee, is this really true. I've never heard that before. Where is
this posted?
Arlene
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No way. Must be a bunch of prudes on this forum.
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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They're nice shots, not particularly my taste, but well done non the less.

Half nude... um... no, but I can see how some people may see it that way because of the somewhat provocative dress, pose and overall look.

Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't. :)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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... but here are my 2 cents after seeing the pictures and evaluating the challenge in question.

Posters need to use common sense when choosing what pictures to display according to the topic. Regardless of the quality of the photos (not particularly my taste either) I feel the original poster was trying more to show off (or sale) her stuff rather than truly be part of the challenge and didn't use her common sense when placing the photos in this challenge. As far as I am concerned they are completetly missplaced amd I am not a prude.
brent said:
Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what
people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't.
:)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that photo-- END OF DISCUSSION
Hariette said:
Posters need to use common sense when choosing what pictures to
display according to the topic. Regardless of the quality of the
photos (not particularly my taste either) I feel the original
poster was trying more to show off (or sale) her stuff rather than
truly be part of the challenge and didn't use her common sense when
placing the photos in this challenge. As far as I am concerned they
are completetly missplaced amd I am not a prude.
brent said:
Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what
people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't.
:)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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Mike S said:
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that photo-- END OF DISCUSSION
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I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the photo. That's not to say it's not at all provacative if that's what some are up in arms about. However, I'm glad to see you have an opinion too. ;)
 
And what do you mean by "trying to show off?" Isn't everyone trying to show off their portraits? And what do you mean my sale or sell her stuff. I didn't know there were any buyers out there.

----Arlene
Hariette said:
Posters need to use common sense when choosing what pictures to
display according to the topic. Regardless of the quality of the
photos (not particularly my taste either) I feel the original
poster was trying more to show off (or sale) her stuff rather than
truly be part of the challenge and didn't use her common sense when
placing the photos in this challenge. As far as I am concerned they
are completetly missplaced amd I am not a prude.
brent said:
Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what
people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't.
:)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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Arlene think. You have 4 photos in the challenge. All 4 seem to be professional shots taken some time ago. You tell me why did you decide to display them on an amateur casual portrait challenge? I don't get it. I understand that you are very proud of them and want to share them but if everyone was putting their pro portraits that they sold what would the challenge look like? Common sense my dear.
Arlene said:
----Arlene
Hariette said:
Posters need to use common sense when choosing what pictures to
display according to the topic. Regardless of the quality of the
photos (not particularly my taste either) I feel the original
poster was trying more to show off (or sale) her stuff rather than
truly be part of the challenge and didn't use her common sense when
placing the photos in this challenge. As far as I am concerned they
are completetly missplaced amd I am not a prude.
brent said:
Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what
people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't.
:)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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I think the challenge would look just like it looks now -- wonderful with a variety of levels of expertise and with some photos taken by rank amatuer that are so charming and well-composed that they surpass the more experienced among us.

There are professional photagraphers on this forum. and in fact there are semi-professional and amatuers photographers on this forum whose abilities are so excellent, they can be considered professional. Just take a look at some of the artistic and technical expertise of the past challenge winners. Very imressive. By-the-way there are five photos in the glamour series and they are under the Exhibition heading.

But more important than the level of artistic and technical ability of an individual photographer is this--is there some rule that says I can't participate in the challenge because I am professional. If so please let me know and I will withdraw from the challenge.

Love, Arlene
Hariette said:
Arlene think. You have 4 photos in the challenge. All 4 seem to be
professional shots taken some time ago. You tell me why did you
decide to display them on an amateur casual portrait challenge? I
don't get it. I understand that you are very proud of them and want
to share them but if everyone was putting their pro portraits that
they sold what would the challenge look like? Common sense my dear.
Arlene said:
----Arlene
Hariette said:
Posters need to use common sense when choosing what pictures to
display according to the topic. Regardless of the quality of the
photos (not particularly my taste either) I feel the original
poster was trying more to show off (or sale) her stuff rather than
truly be part of the challenge and didn't use her common sense when
placing the photos in this challenge. As far as I am concerned they
are completetly missplaced amd I am not a prude.
brent said:
Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what
people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't.
:)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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Arlene Arlene Arlene.... :-) you are so cute trying to figure out what to do according to the rules. Regardless of the rules... if you were my sister I would tell you "Arlene for god sakes what were you thinking? Among all the pictures you could have chosen from your site, why did you pick those?"

Yes amid the controversy I would winthdraw graciously.
Arlene said:
There are professional photagraphers on this forum. and in fact
there are semi-professional and amatuers photographers on this
forum whose abilities are so excellent, they can be considered
professional. Just take a look at some of the artistic and
technical expertise of the past challenge winners. Very imressive.
By-the-way there are five photos in the glamour series and they are
under the Exhibition heading.

But more important than the level of artistic and technical ability
of an individual photographer is this--is there some rule that says
I can't participate in the challenge because I am professional. If
so please let me know and I will withdraw from the challenge.

Love, Arlene
Member said:
Arlene think. You have 4 photos in the challenge. All 4 seem to be
professional shots taken some time ago. You tell me why did you
decide to display them on an amateur casual portrait challenge? I
don't get it. I understand that you are very proud of them and want
to share them but if everyone was putting their pro portraits that
they sold what would the challenge look like? Common sense my dear.
Arlene said:
----Arlene
Hariette said:
Posters need to use common sense when choosing what pictures to
display according to the topic. Regardless of the quality of the
photos (not particularly my taste either) I feel the original
poster was trying more to show off (or sale) her stuff rather than
truly be part of the challenge and didn't use her common sense when
placing the photos in this challenge. As far as I am concerned they
are completetly missplaced amd I am not a prude.
brent said:
Hey, to each his own. The mere fact that you're sensitive to what
people think tells me you're not out to offend, and me you haven't.
:)
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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Hariette said:
Arlene Arlene Arlene.... :-) you are so cute trying to figure out
what to do according to the rules. Regardless of the rules... if
you were my sister I would tell you "Arlene for god sakes what were
you thinking? Among all the pictures you could have chosen from
your site, why did you pick those?"

Yes amid the controversy I would winthdraw graciously.
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There is no valid controversy, only people trying to disrupt friendly pass time. Your input isn't worth anything to me.

There's nothing wrong with Arlene's photos and you have no right to criticize them.
 
Hariette said:
Arlene Arlene Arlene.... :-) you are so cute trying to figure out
what to do according to the rules. Regardless of the rules... if
you were my sister I would tell you "Arlene for god sakes what were
you thinking? Among all the pictures you could have chosen from
your site, why did you pick those?"

Yes amid the controversy I would winthdraw graciously.
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Arlene said:
I think the challenge would look just like it looks now --
wonderful with a variety of levels of expertise and with some
photos taken by rank amatuer that are so charming and well-composed
that they surpass the more experienced among us.

There are professional photagraphers on this forum. and in fact
there are semi-professional and amatuers photographers on this
forum whose abilities are so excellent, they can be considered
professional. Just take a look at some of the artistic and
technical expertise of the past challenge winners. Very imressive.
By-the-way there are five photos in the glamour series and they are
under the Exhibition heading.

But more important than the level of artistic and technical ability
of an individual photographer is this--is there some rule that says
I can't participate in the challenge because I am professional. If
so please let me know and I will withdraw from the challenge.

Love, Arlene
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HI Arlene, I don't participate in these challenges. However, I couldn't help but reply. I would think the participants should welcome any photographer regardless of skill level. And I think they would especially welcome a professional. I think the goal of those challenges are to learn new ideas and techniques. Therefore someone such as you would probably have much to offer. I would disregard these comments from Harriette or whatever her name is..

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Kerry Pierce said:
Hariette said:
Arlene Arlene Arlene.... :-) you are so cute trying to figure out
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Kerry Pierce said:
There's nothing wrong with Arlene's photos and you have no right to
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Kerry - I presume you don't agree with Hariette's opinion any more than I do but what's this "you have no right" business?

If I remember correctly this is a public forum, with few rules other than staying on the topic, and not making offensive posts. Hariette has every right to express her opinion - quite a few wars were fought in the last couple of centuries to preserve her right to do so and it ill behooves any of us to compromise that right.

Mike
 
Yes and no. Yes it's a public forum and Heriette is entitled to her say within the forum rules. She hasn't broken any rules, so yes, you are technically correct.

However, if you look at her profile you will see that she is not an active member of STF and only drops in ocassionally to stir up trouble. For this reason, I say ignore her.
kiwi said:
Kerry Pierce said:
Hariette said:
Arlene Arlene Arlene.... :-) you are so cute trying to figure out
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kiwi said:
There's nothing wrong with Arlene's photos and you have no right to
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Kerry - I presume you don't agree with Hariette's opinion any more
than I do but what's this "you have no right" business?

If I remember correctly this is a public forum, with few rules
other than staying on the topic, and not making offensive posts.
Hariette has every right to express her opinion - quite a few wars
were fought in the last couple of centuries to preserve her right
to do so and it ill behooves any of us to compromise that right.

Mike
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Firstly, I don't find your pictures in the least bit offensive, the photographic qualities of the pictures where what took me. Also, just wanna say that my kids can see much more revealing shots than this when they tune in to those top 40 chart shows on the TV.

I also think it's good to get things like this off our chest, it shows that we are all individuals with a view point.
Free speech for ever, either way.
Arlene said:
I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene
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