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The major thing about photography is ethics. You broke the cardinal rule Don and took credit for someone elses work. Despite the protests of members to the forum as of 18 hours later you still have not fixed your mistake. Maybe you cannot see what you have done is so very wrong. How can I or anyone else look at youre pictures that you post not say now the words " but is this his own work or has stolen this image from some one else"
Have a think about it.

I have sent an email to Carl about this and Maybe he can add his own words to this....

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Hi Jim,
Jim King said:
I agree that the DP1 at $799 is a bit pricey, and like you, would be
a lot more likely to buy one if the price eventually comes down by
$200 or so. It will be interesting to see where the street price
ends up in 6 months...
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Yeah I hope its price drops like the K10D's did in the past year... :)

Peter

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Hi Joe,
Joe Barnhart said:
The DP1 is going to suck at high ISOs, just like the SD14. It's a
Foveon trait. I dunno about you, but I need higher ISOs in my pocket
camera. I was more excited by some of the recent Kodak announcements
aimed at higher-quality high-ISO sensors for smaller digicams.
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I agree with you here that decent high ISO performance is important for a pocket camera. I always enjoy shooting low light scenes so high ISO performance of the Foveon sensor is a concern for me. But the DP1 is one of its kind on the market right now, I'd still get one if it's around $599, but at $799 I am not tempted.

Peter

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If I can put an external flash on the DP1, low light will be fine by me. I mean, candid are marvelous with a foveon if you bring enough light... Let's bounce that ray of dream :)

DP1 seem quite interesting. Heck, so is the SD-14 and the K20d..... But i'll just stick to my k10d for at least another 6 months. I like to buy cheap and sell cheap to minimize my losses :)

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First the original is downsized to 2.6mp, then it is heavily processed. Massive sharpness and contrast job.

Tell you what try downsizing any 10MP+ Bayer DSLR to 2.6MP and then contrast and sharpness to Nth degree and you too can have "impressive" quality like this.

To me it looks way overcooked whatever camera it came from.
 
Don,

I've read most of the things in this thread and I have to admit I was very very surprised to find my shot with your name on it (by Don Allison, how can that be read as anything different?! - I even started to question myself) - AND further talk about how it was taken etc etc. Do you think anyone thinks that you didn't take that shot? At least a initial link to my website would have cleared a few question marks.

I know I put my RAW up, and the video on youtube telling everyone how I took those shots and I can understand that you "know" the setup etc. Honestly, I think that your intentions are good, that you're telling that you're the "photoshopper" not the "photographer".

Btw, I like that you used my RAW files, I put them up to be used. :) All converters has been updated (SPP3.1, Raw Developer, ACR, Lightroom, Darkroom etc etc) and results looks much better with a "new" conversion than with my old ones.

Btw, next time you link a 100% crop, make sure you use the "original" flickr copy - otherwise people will question the 100% size. and DON'T forget to put the photographers name on the picture.

For clarification, this is my website:
http://www.rytterfalk.com

This is all available RAW that anyone can download:
http://www.rytterfalk.com/?cat=31

Welcome to the world of three layers.

Btw, a question to you pentax folk. What do you think about my BW´s? How do they look compared to Pentax versions?
http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/02/13/bw-dp1-experiment-iso3200-6400/
Don Allison said:
Stomie said:
bongo said:
Don Allison said:
Hmmm....I never said that I shot the image, and you shouldn't imply
as much;
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Really? You introduced the shot with:

"Here's a RAW file from the SD14 at a 100% crop. I've done very, very
little to this image. "

THen you went further to add giant type at the bottom of the image
declaring "100% Crop by DON H. ALLISON". I think on a photo forum
if you post a picture it's assumed you shot it unless you declare
otherwise. And that you would at least go to as much trouble to
credit the photographer as you did to credit yourself for cropping
his uncredited image.
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Go easy Bongo, I don't think Don intended plagiarism, he probably
just dropped the pic into the prepared frame he normally uses &
didn't think about his name being there. That & his writing being
focused so much on his exuberance that he didn't think of clarifying
that the image wasn't his.

BTW I liked what you've done with your blog. Some really nice pics.
Your stringing together of images & commentary/poetry is really good.

cheers
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Proud SD14 User.
 
Rytterfalk said:
Don,

I've read most of the things in this thread and I have to admit I was
very very surprised to find my shot with your name on it (by Don
Allison, how can that be read as anything different?! - I even
started to question myself) - AND further talk about how it was taken
etc etc. Do you think anyone thinks that you didn't take that shot?
At least a initial link to my website would have cleared a few
question marks.
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Carl: I've sent you a personal note on this with my apologies. I think I got carried away a bit with my new purchase and just dropped in my default framing tool with "by Don Allison" and never gave it much thought until this thread moved along. And thanks for the great advice with your website and blog. Those public RAW files of yours were the determining factor in my going with the SD14 as a second system. Best wishes. Don
Rytterfalk said:
I know I put my RAW up, and the video on youtube telling everyone how
I took those shots and I can understand that you "know" the setup
etc. Honestly, I think that your intentions are good, that you're
telling that you're the "photoshopper" not the "photographer".

Btw, I like that you used my RAW files, I put them up to be used. :)
All converters has been updated (SPP3.1, Raw Developer, ACR,
Lightroom, Darkroom etc etc) and results looks much better with a
"new" conversion than with my old ones.

Btw, next time you link a 100% crop, make sure you use the "original"
flickr copy - otherwise people will question the 100% size. and DON'T
forget to put the photographers name on the picture.

For clarification, this is my website:
http://www.rytterfalk.com

This is all available RAW that anyone can download:
http://www.rytterfalk.com/?cat=31

Welcome to the world of three layers.

Btw, a question to you pentax folk. What do you think about my BW´s?
How do they look compared to Pentax versions?
http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/02/13/bw-dp1-experiment-iso3200-6400/
Don Allison said:
Stomie said:
bongo said:
Don Allison said:
Hmmm....I never said that I shot the image, and you shouldn't imply
as much;
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Really? You introduced the shot with:

"Here's a RAW file from the SD14 at a 100% crop. I've done very, very
little to this image. "

THen you went further to add giant type at the bottom of the image
declaring "100% Crop by DON H. ALLISON". I think on a photo forum
if you post a picture it's assumed you shot it unless you declare
otherwise. And that you would at least go to as much trouble to
credit the photographer as you did to credit yourself for cropping
his uncredited image.
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Go easy Bongo, I don't think Don intended plagiarism, he probably
just dropped the pic into the prepared frame he normally uses &
didn't think about his name being there. That & his writing being
focused so much on his exuberance that he didn't think of clarifying
that the image wasn't his.

BTW I liked what you've done with your blog. Some really nice pics.
Your stringing together of images & commentary/poetry is really good.

cheers
--
A collection of images posted by me on this forum can be found here:
http://my.opera.com/Imagez/albums/show.dml?perscreen=60&id=92508
Please note: all images displayed by me on this or any other site are
copyright ©
Click to expand...
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http://www.rytterfalk.com
Proud SD14 User.
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Don Allison said:
Roland Mabo said:
Foveon is an interresting concept and I wouldn't mind having it, but
the Sigma camera is too expensive and not competetive. Great
sensor, camera not as good.
A foveon in a K10D, that would be much more tempting! :)
But the noise problem... it do worries me a bit.
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If you know that you will be taking a pic at ISO..100? Then, why not! The Q is though, why would you care about the pixel level output? A Q for noobs really.

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I shoot 95% of the time at ISO 100 on the K10D, and now I can go to ISO 50 on the Sigma SD14.
chris gunn said:
Don Allison said:
Roland Mabo said:
Foveon is an interresting concept and I wouldn't mind having it, but
the Sigma camera is too expensive and not competetive. Great
sensor, camera not as good.
A foveon in a K10D, that would be much more tempting! :)
But the noise problem... it do worries me a bit.
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If you know that you will be taking a pic at ISO..100? Then, why not!
The Q is though, why would you care about the pixel level output? A
Q for noobs really.

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cheers!

Gunn

-- Get a big lens and get closer™.

http://www.dpreview.pentaxistDS.photoshare.co.nz
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MightyMike said:
Its not bad, and definately has its advantages however according to a
sensor designer i know it has no future at high ISO due to some
design flaws... design flaws in the concept that just can't be
overcome, he too likes the idea of it but sees it as having no future.
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Huh? No future at high ISO? Maybe you should re-think this statement! Not many out there which can do ISO 3200 and 6400 like these:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=26769772
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Foveon - an ounce of image is worth a pound of performance!
 
My statement is based on the physics explanation i recieved from an actualy sensor design professional who also likes the foveon idea and has studied it quite seriously and has determined that it has shortcommings, the way i understand it is that a bayer sensor with the same pixel pitch and MP count and a very well written interpolator will beat the foveon design each time becasue the bayer simply captures 1.5 to 2 times more photons then the foveon does.

look i'm just a messenger, i've be told stuff by a professional and i'm doing my best to relay what he was telling me.
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moepels said:
Huh? No future at high ISO? Maybe you should re-think this statement!
Not many out there which can do ISO 3200 and 6400 like these:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=26769772
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These look quite grainy to me, considering the huge downsize.

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Don Allison said:
I shoot 95% of the time at ISO 100 on the K10D, and now I can go to
ISO 50 on the Sigma SD14.
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I am sure you have researched the potential pitfalls of ISO 50 before, but for those who didn't and just read your post, I urge everyone to read up on ISO 50 on the SD14 here:
http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/news/ISO50_Note_en.htm

Cheers
Jens

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Is it just it me or does this girl look as though her hair is made out of wire? Perhaps she really does have really coarse hair or maybe it is a product of overprocessing the image.

Anyway, It might be a good style for a fashion magazine but it is much too artificial for my liking.
 
JensR said:
JensR said:
the SD14 at a 100% crop. I've done very, very little to this image.
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And specifically you did not shoot it yourself. I personally would
never add my name to it as if had shot it. Oh, and I would spell it
"Foveon", with an "o" :)

Jens
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I hate it when someone passes other person's work as their's!

Bottom line, I summarily fired someone for passing MY work with his name on the the cover page he added two years after I published the document.

Sparring details, I ask that person to launch the document properties at the break in the presentation. In plain sight was the author, creation date, and other information. His immediate supervisor who reports to me took the cue!

Yes indeed, it is FoveOn!

- - -
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JensR said:
JensR said:
I shoot 95% of the time at ISO 100 on the K10D, and now I can go to
ISO 50 on the Sigma SD14.
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I am sure you have researched the potential pitfalls of ISO 50
before, but for those who didn't and just read your post, I urge
everyone to read up on ISO 50 on the SD14 here:
http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/news/ISO50_Note_en.htm
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I asume this means it is really a base ISO 100 camera, hence ISO 50 gives less DR.

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cheers!

Gunn

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FAQ: http://www.pentaxuser.org/tiki-index.php

 
chris gunn said:
I asume this means it is really a base ISO 100 camera, hence ISO 50
gives less DR.
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ISO 50 on the Canon 5D also gives less headroom, which is why the user has to select it through the extended mode.
The Kodak FF cameras had similar restrictions in their low and super-low modes.

But still, better to have that option than not, although I don't know how much it adds to the cost.

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