This is why I want live view..example

I like the image... BUT

Live view is only going to estimate this as best it can..

The A700 with its expanded highlight DR would do great job even without liveview..

I still think Live view is best for odd angles (which I could use some times) and some specialize shooting..

This is the problem..

I do not want the sensor compromised with, heat, more dust, or designs that need to support video and still imaging

I do like what Sony did.. but would not trade my A700 OVF for it. However I could see adding an A300 as a second body just because of the liveview option.

kodakuser said:

Getting the exposure right on this A100 shot I found very
tricky...sun from the side...shaddow and cloud detail....it took me
several attempts..shooting, reviewing, reshooting etc....I "think"
this is about right
I do know that with the Sony R1 I could have got it first time using
the EVF and live histo, then dialing up/down the EV to bring in all
the detail
I really hope that the A300/350 will give me what I want...I think it
will



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Sony A100 examples here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/
Kodak P880 shots here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157603333749277/

My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/

'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'

Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100

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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com

Thats very true..thanks

andrea buso said:

You could have simply bracketed a few shots and pick the best one.
not that you would have been wasting film or anything.... ;-)

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Sony A100 examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/
Kodak P880 shots here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157603333749277/

My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/

'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'

Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100

Why not just bracket the shot? With dgital, it doesn't cost you anything, as you can later dump what you don't want. Won't you save a lot of time by bracketing?

is kind of what you get when you review the pic/histo. after the shot. Why not have the 'extra' tool BEFORE the shot. Doesn't mean you have to use it the way other people do??

Just use it, like others say, for odd-angle shots, etc.

I wouldn't buy a camera if LV meant I didn't get other features I wanted, of that it detracted from the capabilities!
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Gene

I live in Minoltaville, just inside Alpha City, at the intersection of Konica and Sony
Getting blisters while 'on the fence' - decision coming soon.

'The only thing easier than being wrong .. is denying it!' -me

http://www.PhotosThatDay.com

Vaughn,

You know that live view on the sony does not give you a live view of your exposure settings. It gives you a live view of your composition and focus. So I do not see what your advantage would be with live view. I'm pretty sure this statement is correct. ChaCHa

Hi ... I "think" that this Live view does actually do exposure simulation and live histo ...I shall look up the line on the spec that gave me that impression when I can find it

chacha1 said:

Vaughn,

You know that live view on the sony does not give you a live view of
your exposure settings. It gives you a live view of your composition
and focus. So I do not see what your advantage would be with live
view. I'm pretty sure this statement is correct. ChaCHa

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Sony A100 examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/
Kodak P880 shots here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157603333749277/

My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/

'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'

Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100

chacha1 said:

Vaughn,

You know that live view on the sony does not give you a live view of
your exposure settings. It gives you a live view of your composition
and focus. So I do not see what your advantage would be with live
view. I'm pretty sure this statement is correct. ChaCHa

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Live view of the Sony does do a live histogram and accouding to the brochure does exposure simulation too.
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com

thomas goseberg wrote:
You go ahead as you like but don't

thomas goseberg said:

condamn others who want to try new things.

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Trying new things is a good idea, but the point here, in the context of the original post, is that the new thing did not allow the poster to do anything faster, easier, better than simply using the old thing properly.

Follow this thread...I have looked into this...and I think it does do live histo and exposure sim.....well at least thats what I am hoping

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1009&message=26609988

Ken_5D said:

chacha1 said:

Vaughn,

You know that live view on the sony does not give you a live view of
your exposure settings. It gives you a live view of your composition
and focus. So I do not see what your advantage would be with live
view. I'm pretty sure this statement is correct. ChaCHa

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Live view of the Sony does do a live histogram and accouding to the
brochure does exposure simulation too.
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com

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Sony A100 examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/
Kodak P880 shots here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157603333749277/

My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/

'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'

Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100

In the film days many also worked with slide film that has lattiude the same as or worse than modern DSLRs. I took a course from Rod Plank (pro landscape photographer). His philosophy was learn how to use the camera's meter and adjust exposure so you can get the shot on the first try without having to bracket, except in very special situations (like sunsets where the correct exposure might not be the best exposure). (Film and developing are major costs, and he was living off of his work).

Using his methods, and practicing so that I understood when and how to adjust the shot really improved the number of keepers I got with slide film (and with my DSLR). With slides I was able to almost stop bracketing, particularly with my 12 shot 6x6cm camera. With my DSLR I bracket more than with slides, but that's just because the shots are cheaper and a memory card holds more shots than a roll of film. Now hen I bracket, its more because I want to try different dephs of field.

Tom

For many LiveView is just another new feature, coming from the P&S world, making taking photos easier for everybody - yet another bright silver/hologram gimmick sticker on the box. But in my opinion it's much more serious than that.. It's a feature that actually changes how photography works.. for me, it changes what I like about photography.. trying to know my camera so well that I can adjust the settings prior to releasing the shutter - then check how well I did, smile on a spot on or take another one with a slight adjustment..

LV might save you the second frame (which doesn't really matter on digital anyway), but it won't save you time. Staring at the LCD and rolling the histogram around with the shutter/aperture dials, checking the picture itself and composing (unsteady on two hands floating 35cm from your eyes), you'll take just as many frames trying to get the horizon straight and the right edge composition holding the camera like that.. and if you decide to set the exposure with LV and then use the VF for composition and steady framing - it's unpractical and crazy workflow. With a tripod, it's no big deal as there's no hurry anyway.

I'm a videophotographer and I can tell you that even with 25fps constant liveview, getting the right exposure is always the challenge - which is why I love photography so much, no LV and dialing the brightness back and forth.. LV has imho no place in SLR workflow. An extended VF can be practical for getting those tough angles, but saving a frame or two by adjusting live on the LCD is not essential to me at all. The only true benefit of LV is for studio work, where viewing the picture on a separate screen is very helpful and saves time when lighting and positioning the models etc. (starts to resemble videowork in many ways).

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Georg Peranen
http://koti.welho.com/wel00296/

eyefuse said:

I'm a videophotographer and I can tell you that even with 25fps
constant liveview, getting the right exposure is always the challenge

• which is why I love photography so much, no LV and dialing the

brightness back and forth.

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What do you mean by the term "videophotographer"?

Gary Eickmeier

kodakuser said:

Getting the exposure right on this A100 shot I found very
tricky...sun from the side...shaddow and cloud detail....it took me
several attempts..shooting, reviewing, reshooting etc....

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What you just described is called bracketing. photographers have been using this technique for critical exposures forever. Try using a gray card next time, or take an exposure reading of a midtone. Even though todays exposure meters are very accurate they can still be fooled by tricky conditions. Many times the "proper exposure" reading may not be the best exposure, depends on what you're trying to convey. Thats where bracketing comes in. Over time experience with your equipment and knowing how it reacts to different lighting conditions will lesson the need for most bracketing. In the end if it's a critical shot and you have time, bracket your shots and pick the shot your feel is the best. My experience, using the lcd on the A100 to review a shot it may not always look the on th lcd the way it's going to look on a computer screen or in a print. Having multiple shots with different exposures is cheap insurance. (except I understand that the A700's lcd screen is outstanding for reviewing.)

Shooting video material for a living (with a Sony PD-150), with lighting and in natural light - what did you think I meant? What's the right term for that?

Gary Eickmeier said:

eyefuse said:

I'm a videophotographer and I can tell you that even with 25fps
constant liveview, getting the right exposure is always the challenge

• which is why I love photography so much, no LV and dialing the

brightness back and forth.

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What do you mean by the term "videophotographer"?

Gary Eickmeier

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Georg Peranen
http://koti.welho.com/wel00296/

Russell Ervin said:

Now that you have learned about exposure by taking multiple shots.
You should be able to take a photo like that in the future without
liveview or taking multiple shots. Knowledge and experience is the
best feature we have to use.
Russ
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/quietrvr/
Gear-A camera

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My thoughts exactly. I got really good with the R1 in manual, but I never really used the live histogram or anything like that. I've worked carefully with the R1 and my a700 to figure out how the a700 is different. I'm going on a trip in a few weeks, and I hope to find out if I've gotten any better.

eyefuse said:

Shooting video material for a living (with a Sony PD-150), with
lighting and in natural light - what did you think I meant? What's
the right term for that?

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We say "videographer." I have never heard "videophotographer," so I thought you meant something special like shooting stills with your video camera or relying on your live view screen exclusively or I don't know what else...

Gary Eickmeier

eyefuse said:

For many LiveView is just another new feature, coming from the P&S
world, making taking photos easier for everybody - yet another bright
silver/hologram gimmick sticker on the box. But in my opinion it's
much more serious than that.. It's a feature that actually changes
how photography works.. for me, it changes what I like about
photography.. trying to know my camera so well that I can adjust the
settings prior to releasing the shutter - then check how well I did,
smile on a spot on or take another one with a slight adjustment..

LV might save you the second frame (which doesn't really matter on
digital anyway), but it won't save you time. Staring at the LCD and
rolling the histogram around with the shutter/aperture dials,
checking the picture itself and composing (unsteady on two hands
floating 35cm from your eyes), you'll take just as many frames trying
to get the horizon straight and the right edge composition holding
the camera like that.. and if you decide to set the exposure with LV
and then use the VF for composition and steady framing - it's
unpractical and crazy workflow. With a tripod, it's no big deal as
there's no hurry anyway.

I'm a videophotographer and I can tell you that even with 25fps
constant liveview, getting the right exposure is always the challenge

• which is why I love photography so much, no LV and dialing the

brightness back and forth.. LV has imho no place in SLR workflow. An
extended VF can be practical for getting those tough angles, but
saving a frame or two by adjusting live on the LCD is not essential
to me at all. The only true benefit of LV is for studio work, where
viewing the picture on a separate screen is very helpful and saves
time when lighting and positioning the models etc. (starts to
resemble videowork in many ways).

-----------------------------------------------
Georg Peranen
http://koti.welho.com/wel00296/

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I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!! My best friend makes his living as a videographer and has the same feeling about live view cams. He does "scout work" I guess you could call it with his Nikon DSLR and uses shots from that to help him nail his exposure in his video work.

I personally think that live view is only useful for slow tedious static studio work, or making newbs feel like they know how to use a camera.