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LitoD80 said:
To the OP. This image makes me very uneasy. That is neither a good
nor a bad thing... It just "plays" with my emotions.

As a composition I feel is OK. Knowing the circumstances under which
you shot it, it is great. The selective colour work (I am assuming
that is what you did) works very well.
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Thank you litto, it was indeed a spur of the moment shot.
LitoD80 said:
Keep shooting! This thread, above else (for me), tells me I have to
take the camera of the bag moire often ;)
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i told myself, i could just stare at this guy and this moment and wonder all the things i would normally wonder until the light turned green, or i could've stop 'wondering' and take my camera out and document the moment. record the memory and 'wonder' about later. and thats exactly what i did, and will do more often.

thanks for stopping by and commenting litto..always a pleasure.
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wow, thats tragic...since i didnt have time to stick around and find out what later happened to this unfortunate individual i'm almost certain he was drunk and homeless, at least i hope so.
Two Hawks said:
I've had that happen to me, i took a picture of what I thought was a
sleeping homeless man only to later find out I took a picture of a
corpse. Later substantiated by the presence of police and a coroners
van, followed by more pictures..
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Old enough to know better, Young enough to do it anyway.

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thank you jcg...exactly what i was trying to accomplish with this picture is to document and bring awareness to the other side of life. we sit in our 'what we call fancy' homes and play with our 'fancy toys', take pictures with a camera that if sold could feed one of these unfortunate people for a month. the point of the picture was to make people aware, and appreciate their lives and how blessed we all are to be 'able' to come here everynight and chat with one another about a very expensive hobby. thank you for realizing that and appreciating the picture for what it is.
jcg878 said:
Lowell Schechter said:
I think it is so sad that you would post a picture on this forum of a
person who life is probably in shambles and you tried to take
advantage of his misery. I have seen many homeless people here in New
York and I would never raise my camera to take a picture of them.
There are so many things wonderful things to take pictures of and it
is a disgrace to see this.
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jcg878 said:
Perhaps you should photograph them. Surely it is easier to ignore
these people and pretend they aren't there than to make a disturbing
photograph as the OP has done, raising awareness of the issue of
homelessness in his own way.

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lowell although i respect your opinion and your view on emotional photography i disagree with your views of the homeless, especially the particular individual i took a picture of. number one he was asleep and completely unaware of me taking his picture (especially since i was in my car). number two, i dont think you have to be a paid jornalist in order to be a photojournalist, to take informative photos. how do most photojournalists get paid? they take the picture then sell it to an interested media. and number three i think that if this person was awake and aware of me taking his picture he wouldn't be any less embarrassed of me then he would of the thousands of people that walk by him and stare at his misery. so in my opinion the most homeless people loose something that is very valuable to humans and that is embarrassment. embarrassment makes us want to change that of what is causing us to be embarrassment. when some women are embarrassed of their weight they go to a gym to look better, a teen boy is embarrassed of his beat up car he works hard to buy himself a better one, if a homeless person was embarrassed of how people stare at him he would clean himself up and walk into a mcdonald's (or wherever) and ask for an application.
my picture was meant to show the other side of life, nothing more.
Lowell Schechter said:
I invite you all to go out and take photographs of homeless people
and see if they like it or not. Some of them are very dangerous and
probably would not want there photos taken, and what if you are
threatened with bodily harm with a knife or gun.
It is not just a matter of my righteous views it is a matter just
leaving them alone. Haven't you read stories about homeless men
attacking ordinary people on the streets
and homeless men and women attacking each other. Go ahead take your
photos of these people at your own risk. And I don' t think Chosen
one was worried about there plaight when he took the photo. I grew up
in New York City and I have seen homeless people All the time.
Especially when I used to work in the city years when they were
called bums before they were called homeless. Its not like I don't
care about them and they are going through some tough times, but if
you are not a professional photographer on assignment doing a story
on the pliaght of the homeless I would live them alone. Please don't
give me stuff on Vietnam with that little girl that was a war time
situation and these were paid photo journalist. With all my recent
trips into New York City I have seen people taken photos of other
things with the homeless who were certainly around them.
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rem i see you understood the motif for the picture and i appreciate you backing my attempt at photojournalism. everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it, mr. schechter just expressed innappropriately.
thanks for your comments.
Rem Roberti said:
Lowell Schechter said:
I invite you all to go out and take photographs of homeless people
and see if they like it or not. Some of them are very dangerous and
probably would not want there photos taken, and what if you are
threatened with bodily harm with a knife or gun.
It is not just a matter of my righteous views it is a matter just
leaving them alone. Haven't you read stories about homeless men
attacking ordinary people on the streets
and homeless men and women attacking each other. Go ahead take your
photos of these people at your own risk. And I don' t think Chosen
one was worried about there plaight when he took the photo. I grew up
in New York City and I have seen homeless people All the time.
Especially when I used to work in the city years when they were
called bums before they were called homeless. Its not like I don't
care about them and they are going through some tough times, but if
you are not a professional photographer on assignment doing a story
on the pliaght of the homeless I would live them alone. Please don't
give me stuff on Vietnam with that little girl that was a war time
situation and these were paid photo journalist. With all my recent
trips into New York City I have seen people taken photos of other
things with the homeless who were certainly around them.
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Okay. I see what I'm dealing with here. I rest my case.

Rem
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chosen1, I think, judging from all these comments, that you've hit a nerve. Good, bad, indifferent, your pciture made us think. Bravo! I hope I can take images that do the same!
 
thank you for the kind words. i am happy to see my photo gave people a different perspective. made some people wonder. made some happy, some sad. some people said the photo was magical due to the lighting, some people said it was disturbing to look at.

what else could i want but to stir people's emotions with a simple moment i captured through a photo.
thank you for taking notice.
miatateer said:
chosen1, I think, judging from all these comments, that you've hit a
nerve. Good, bad, indifferent, your pciture made us think. Bravo!
I hope I can take images that do the same!
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Good capture, just as a sidenote, to lowell...he said "Haven't you read stories about homeless men attacking ordinary people on the streets", he should perhaps question whether he is one of "us ordinary" people, just goes to show he's putting himself in a higher class than homeless people...we are all still people right?

Rob
 
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phipop
hello!
i must say i just don't like this picture.
first, it's all blurry!

then i think it's only show the gap between homeless people and hobby photographers who take a picture between red and green light..okay, as say Rem..
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And what are we do, Mr. Schechter, with Diane Arbus and the galaxy of other photographers who have spent their lives documenting the dark alleys of the human condition. Diane's subjects were known people who looked out at us from her photographs. They were often unhappy, sad---sometimes grotesque, human beings. Was Diane taking advantage of them? Was the Vietnam war photographer who took the famous picture of that poor little Vietnamese girl running down the road naked because her village had just been destroyed---was he taking advantage of her? I say again, total bunk. The only thing disgraceful here, Mr. Schechter, is your pathetic, transparent attempts to achieve some kind of moral superiority.
Rem
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i am use to that..
fighting against 'moral superiority' is not only pathetic for me!
this picture of the little girl was done at a time.

i personnelly wouln't like to see another picture like that. Can't we just try to help sometimes, instead of taking a stupid photo?

i dare say (and i know it is going to hurt some people...) that the war photographers NOW are very old-fashionned, i just had enought.

courage and just asking to this guy how is he going is like trying to talk to a martian for you,

but i think this photo just show the fears that some people have in front of life. Even some 'big' photographers say it, like Bruno Barbey (Magnum) : 'i refuse the esthetics of horror and crazyness'.
we just have enough pictures every day of this crazy world.
why just not try to make a good photo, or think about it?
please excuses my poor english.
thanks,
philippe
 
chosen1 said:
thank you jcg...exactly what i was trying to accomplish with this
picture is to document and bring awareness to the other side of life.
we sit in our 'what we call fancy' homes and play with our 'fancy
toys', take pictures with a camera that if sold could feed one of
these unfortunate people for a month. the point of the picture was to
make people aware, and appreciate their lives and how blessed we all
are to be 'able' to come here everynight and chat with one another
about a very expensive hobby. thank you for realizing that and
appreciating the picture for what it is.
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Re-reading your original post, it looks like you were more interested in comments on your post-processing of the image rather than its content:

"luckly i had my camera next to me and enough time to take it out of the bag and shot this before the light turned green. original was nothing spectacular, comments on the post processing are appreciated."

;-)

I also sympathize with you because this is a very sensitive topic, partly due to the fact that photographing the homeless for aspiring street photographers seeking that edgy impact is the equivalent of aspiring bird photographers shooting seagulls loitering near the garbage cans at beach. Easy subjects and done to death. But we're all subject to this kind of influence, myself included.

Seeing yet another street person photo causes me to roll my eyes because it's so cliche and it smacks of exploitation because generally, it is. It'd be different if you had actually talked to the person and they were okay with you photographing them in such a demeaning position. At least that's my opinion. And I can see the counter-arguments, too: "if we had to talk to everyone before photographing them, it'd ruin the dynamic and candid nature of street photography." True, it would. But my personal view on it is that when someone is in that kind of position, they deserve that gesture.

And after saying all that, I'd say your pic is, if nothing else, better than some of the other homeless person photos I've seen on this forum. And at least the person isn't identifiable.

larsbc
 
miatateer said:
chosen1, I think, judging from all these comments, that you've hit a
nerve. Good, bad, indifferent, your pciture made us think. Bravo!
I hope I can take images that do the same!
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Go take a photo of a homeless person. It doesn't have to be good. Post it here. You will get the exact same response. Seriously, I guarantee you'll get the same response.

This thread is getting traffic because of the content, not because it was composed in such a way to really make people think.

larsbc
 
This photograph sure has brought out the emotions in a number of people,but isn't that what you want to do?..With that all ready beat to death I would like to leave one comment if I may...For the life of me I just can't remember the photographers name who took the picture of the little Vietnamese girl who was burnt by napalm. We all remember the photograph running down the road flesh dripping off of her. The photographer saw the girl with his camera all ready in his hand took one shot,set the camera down and Ran To Help Her.He was responsable getting her to a hospital and saw she was carred for.Looking back in hind sight when I was there sure wish I was shooting with a camera rather than rifle..........................Jon
 
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