got told my photo is half-nude in series in Challenge 16-what do you think?

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

As the host, I made the rules. In the rules it says "No nudity or indecent glamour photography." I don't consider your pictures to be indecent. I thik that the third one is borderline. I like number two a lot, I think it is very classy looking, and the first one is very dramatic looking. Don't worry about it Arlene, they are technically perfect, and I'm sure the subjects were very pleased with the results, which is really what counts. Portraits are about pleasing the subject as far as I'm concerned.
Sarah
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CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...

Thanks Sarah,

I apreciate your supportiveness. Love, arlene

1ofUs! said:

As the host, I made the rules. In the rules it says "No nudity or
indecent glamour photography." I don't consider your pictures to be
indecent. I thik that the third one is borderline. I like number
two a lot, I think it is very classy looking, and the first one is
very dramatic looking. Don't worry about it Arlene, they are
technically perfect, and I'm sure the subjects were very pleased
with the results, which is really what counts. Portraits are about
pleasing the subject as far as I'm concerned.
Sarah
--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...

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Arlene:

I'm a bit on the "conservative" (read: a bit prudish) side when it comes to things like this, but I can say for sure that your images are NOT too provacative, nor are they in bad taste.

Sarah's the boss, and she says they're okay. I say they stay.

Florindo

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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They all look fine to me. Presonally, I wouldn't class them as indecent.

And by the way, they're excellent shots. I like number 1 the best for its symmetry.

What lighting setup did you use?

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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pinback
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http://www.pbase.com/pinback

Well I find them borderline
Some people may find them inappropriate

1ofUs! said:

As the host, I made the rules. In the rules it says "No nudity or
indecent glamour photography." I don't consider your pictures to be
indecent. I thik that the third one is borderline. I like number
two a lot, I think it is very classy looking, and the first one is
very dramatic looking. Don't worry about it Arlene, they are
technically perfect, and I'm sure the subjects were very pleased
with the results, which is really what counts. Portraits are about
pleasing the subject as far as I'm concerned.
Sarah
--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...

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--
Sparky_ca
Still Saving for my own DA

Thanks Florindo,

I was begining to wonder if my perceptions were skewed.

Love, arlene

Florindo Gallicchio said:

I'm a bit on the "conservative" (read: a bit prudish) side when it
comes to things like this, but I can say for sure that your images
are NOT too provacative, nor are they in bad taste.

Sarah's the boss, and she says they're okay. I say they stay.

Florindo

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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Hi Pinback,

Thank you for the comments.

I used a main light - a large softbox, a hair light, a backlight and a fill light (another smaller softbox) under the subject.

Love, aRlene

pinback said:

And by the way, they're excellent shots. I like number 1 the best
for its symmetry.

What lighting setup did you use?

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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pinback
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http://www.pbase.com/pinback

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I agree, Arlene, these are tasteful. You do a beautiful job with them. I understand the point that it's a "family" site but you are right, a swimsuit shot would (could) be much more provacative than a glamour shot like this.

Peggy

Arlene said:

Thank you for the comments.

I used a main light - a large softbox, a hair light, a backlight
and a fill light (another smaller softbox) under the subject.

Love, aRlene

pinback said:

And by the way, they're excellent shots. I like number 1 the best
for its symmetry.

What lighting setup did you use?

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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pinback
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http://www.pbase.com/pinback

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Peggy - CD1000 and S85
http://www.pbase.com/puck

Member said:

I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think?

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Each person is right in their own ways. One thing you need to realize and not take it so personally is the reach this site has, hence the differences in opinion and customs.

To give you an example, I myself back in college had a lot of friends, and often I would touch their shoulder or arm during chatting. One time I did this to a Jewish female friend, and I was told later by my male friend not to do that because in their religion it isnt something one should do.

Same would goes for this kind of shots. What we are accustom to may not be acceptable by others from a different background/religion/country.

I myself wont be too concerned about it.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

Jimmy, Thanks for your point of view. I was just taken by surprise. But you're right, different cultures, different levels of tolorance. I suppose in the Talaban controled Afganistan, I would have been burned at the stake--Love, Arlene

Jimmy Chen said:

Jimmy Chen said:

I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think?

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Each person is right in their own ways. One thing you need to
realize and not take it so personally is the reach this site has,
hence the differences in opinion and customs.

To give you an example, I myself back in college had a lot of
friends, and often I would touch their shoulder or arm during
chatting. One time I did this to a Jewish female friend, and I was
told later by my male friend not to do that because in their
religion it isnt something one should do.

Same would goes for this kind of shots. What we are accustom to may
not be acceptable by others from a different
background/religion/country.

I myself wont be too concerned about it.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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Thanks Peggy,

Good to get your point of view. Love, aRlene

miaowcat said:

Peggy

Arlene said:

Thank you for the comments.

I used a main light - a large softbox, a hair light, a backlight
and a fill light (another smaller softbox) under the subject.

Love, aRlene

pinback said:

And by the way, they're excellent shots. I like number 1 the best
for its symmetry.

What lighting setup did you use?

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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pinback
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http://www.pbase.com/pinback

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Peggy - CD1000 and S85
http://www.pbase.com/puck

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Arlene, there's certainly nothing indecent about this picture to those of us in the free world.

To be truthful, it is more of a glamour photo than a portrait, and as such I feel it bends the rules of the contest just a bit. But as said earlier, if Cindy says yes then great. They are tasteful and well done.

Nice job!

Arlene said:

Jimmy Chen said:

Member said:

I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think?

Click to expand...

Each person is right in their own ways. One thing you need to
realize and not take it so personally is the reach this site has,
hence the differences in opinion and customs.

To give you an example, I myself back in college had a lot of
friends, and often I would touch their shoulder or arm during
chatting. One time I did this to a Jewish female friend, and I was
told later by my male friend not to do that because in their
religion it isnt something one should do.

Same would goes for this kind of shots. What we are accustom to may
not be acceptable by others from a different
background/religion/country.

I myself wont be too concerned about it.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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Thabear,

That's very funny. --arlene

thabear said:

To be truthful, it is more of a glamour photo than a portrait, and
as such I feel it bends the rules of the contest just a bit. But as
said earlier, if Cindy says yes then great. They are tasteful and
well done.

Nice job!

Arlene said:

Jimmy Chen said:

Floating_Fotoman said:

I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think?

Click to expand...

Each person is right in their own ways. One thing you need to
realize and not take it so personally is the reach this site has,
hence the differences in opinion and customs.

To give you an example, I myself back in college had a lot of
friends, and often I would touch their shoulder or arm during
chatting. One time I did this to a Jewish female friend, and I was
told later by my male friend not to do that because in their
religion it isnt something one should do.

Same would goes for this kind of shots. What we are accustom to may
not be acceptable by others from a different
background/religion/country.

I myself wont be too concerned about it.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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Member said:

I suppose in the Talaban controled Afganistan, I would
have been burned at the stake

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LOL, its a good thing they arent in control anymore and the women there now have the freedom to be and live like human beings ...

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jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

Arlene,
I think the only distasteful things are the negative comments..
Its a very nice pic.. i hope you enter it =)
-cyndee

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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d.i.g.i.t.al.o.b.s.c.u.r.a
http://www.digitalobscura.co.uk

Sarah, it's Sarah!!! LOL
Sarah

But as

Floating_Fotoman said:

said earlier, if Cindy says yes then great. They are tasteful and
well done.

Nice job!

Arlene said:

Jimmy Chen said:

Floating_Fotoman said:

I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think?

Click to expand...

Each person is right in their own ways. One thing you need to
realize and not take it so personally is the reach this site has,
hence the differences in opinion and customs.

To give you an example, I myself back in college had a lot of
friends, and often I would touch their shoulder or arm during
chatting. One time I did this to a Jewish female friend, and I was
told later by my male friend not to do that because in their
religion it isnt something one should do.

Same would goes for this kind of shots. What we are accustom to may
not be acceptable by others from a different
background/religion/country.

I myself wont be too concerned about it.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...

Like I said, if Sarah says yes then... DOH! LOL!!!

1ofUs! said:

But as

1ofUs! said:

said earlier, if Cindy says yes then great. They are tasteful and
well done.

Nice job!

Arlene said:

Jimmy Chen said:

1ofUs! said:

I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think?

Click to expand...

Each person is right in their own ways. One thing you need to
realize and not take it so personally is the reach this site has,
hence the differences in opinion and customs.

To give you an example, I myself back in college had a lot of
friends, and often I would touch their shoulder or arm during
chatting. One time I did this to a Jewish female friend, and I was
told later by my male friend not to do that because in their
religion it isnt something one should do.

Same would goes for this kind of shots. What we are accustom to may
not be acceptable by others from a different
background/religion/country.

I myself wont be too concerned about it.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

Click to expand...

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--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...

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arlene you are not wrong. but on the other hand i would find it hard to say that the authors of those 2 comments are wrong. this is not a black or white issue. but one with 254 shades of grey.

but i will say that i support your right to have them in the challenge if the host has deemed that they fall within the rules if not the spirit of the challenges.

not long ago we had controversy about photos of homeless people in the journalism challenge. some people said those photos didn't belong. that incident led to the affected artists removing their work which was rather unfortunate.

it is also unfortunate that you have become the target this time but please remember that these attacks are not personal and are solely based on peoples opinions and preferences.

simply choose to agree to disagree (probably easier said than done). and don't let this affect your future choices of submitted photos in any way.

not saying that you are even considering it but i would be saddened to see another member up and leave because of someone else's comments.

hang in there arlene. i imagine it's an unpleasant experience now but soon it will be but a distant memory.

Arlene said:

I'm being challenged as putting in a photo that isn't in good taste
and too provocative. I totally disagree. I think it is a tasteful
glamourous photo. Am I wrong. What do you guys think? Please read
some of the comments below the photo. Two of them are rather
negative. I was really surprised and dismayed by the reaction to
this photo. Here's the link:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1848364

Arlene

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cUrVe
http://homepage.mac.com/curve

'the hardest thing to see is what is in front of your eyes.'

1ofUs! said:

Sarah, it's Sarah!!! LOL
Sarah

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Sarah? Who's Sarah....first base.... no that's What..... no that's left field.......

Oh Man.... now I'm really showing my age ;-)

Sarah.... the above was W A Y before your time.

Ron

http://www.photosig.com/users.php?id=4906
Shamelessly trolling for good critiques ;-)