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Kabe Luna wrote:

Hi Kabe. The 5D body construction isn't hard to beat. However, the difference in cost to produce FF vs 1.5/1.6 crop is significant, as I'm sure you know.
Kabe Luna said:
So, even if the A900 only carries over that camera's construction
quality,
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Yes, A700 construction quality wouldn't be too bad.
Kabe Luna said:
combined with higher framing rates and a 24MP full frame
sensor,
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Higher frame rates than what, the A700 or the 5D? Either way, it's going to cost a bit to achieve that with the high px count sensor.
Kabe Luna said:
it's already a better studio camera than the 5D at the same
price (at it's introduction).
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Same price? Where do you get that from?
Kabe Luna said:
Now, if Sony can manage decent noise
performance through ISO 1600...well, now we've got something
interesting. Even at $4K, it's a steal compared to the current 5D,
the 1DsMkIII and the 5D successor
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At that price, it would be.
Kabe Luna said:
which is almost guaranteed to have
the same build quality as the 40D, probably the same
specification-only weatherization and less than 21MP (so as not to
cannibalize sales of the 1DsMkIII).
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Of course. The 5D successor will be nowhere near 20Mpx. I don't think most people would even want a 5D successor that's 20+ Mpx. Its place in the market is for much more affordable FF than the latest 1Ds with good resolution, but not competing with the resolving capability or build quality of the latest in the 1Ds series due to cost and marketing considerations. I would assume no more than 15-16 Mpx for the 5D successor and it could even be 14Mpx, which would also work very well.
Kabe Luna said:
John down under said:
Ominous said:
I don't honestly think Sony will deliver such specs, with such a low
price.
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I agree. Build quality will also affect price point. If I interpret
the Sony official comment correctly, they won't be going for a pro
body build like the 1D series, but something that lets them position
the flagship camera in the market such that it will be attractive
enough to non-pros as well to stimulate more sales, which is what
they need for profit and market penetration.
Kabe Luna said:
Could it happen? Yes.

Will it? Time will tell.

I would for it to happen...but I don't think you can get 24+ MP, fast
frame rate, improved AF sytem...for dirt cheap.
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Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
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Kabe Luna

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Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
 
John down under said:
John down under said:
So, even if the A900 only carries over that camera's construction
quality,
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Yes, A700 construction quality wouldn't be too bad.
John down under said:
combined with higher framing rates and a 24MP full frame
sensor,
Click to expand...
Higher frame rates than what, the A700 or the 5D? Either way, it's
going to cost a bit to achieve that with the high px count sensor.
John down under said:
it's already a better studio camera than the 5D at the same
price (at it's introduction).
Click to expand...
Same price? Where do you get that from?
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I'm saying if the A900 debuts at the same price as the 5D did with the build quality and framing rate of the A700 and a full frame sensor, it'd be a better studio camera than the original 5D was an likely better than the 5D's successor which isn't likely to come near the 24MP resolution.
John down under said:
John down under said:
Now, if Sony can manage decent noise
performance through ISO 1600...well, now we've got something
interesting. Even at $4K, it's a steal compared to the current 5D,
the 1DsMkIII and the 5D successor
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At that price, it would be.
John down under said:
which is almost guaranteed to have
the same build quality as the 40D, probably the same
specification-only weatherization and less than 21MP (so as not to
cannibalize sales of the 1DsMkIII).
Click to expand...
Of course. The 5D successor will be nowhere near 20Mpx. I don't
think most people would even want a 5D successor that's 20+ Mpx. Its
place in the market is for much more affordable FF than the latest
1Ds with good resolution, but not competing with the resolving
capability or build quality of the latest in the 1Ds series due to
cost and marketing considerations. I would assume no more than 15-16
Mpx for the 5D successor and it could even be 14Mpx, which would also
work very well.
John down under said:
John down under said:
Ominous said:
I don't honestly think Sony will deliver such specs, with such a low
price.
Click to expand...
I agree. Build quality will also affect price point. If I interpret
the Sony official comment correctly, they won't be going for a pro
body build like the 1D series, but something that lets them position
the flagship camera in the market such that it will be attractive
enough to non-pros as well to stimulate more sales, which is what
they need for profit and market penetration.
John down under said:
Could it happen? Yes.

Will it? Time will tell.

I would for it to happen...but I don't think you can get 24+ MP, fast
frame rate, improved AF sytem...for dirt cheap.
--
http://www.pbase.com/ewhalen

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--
Cheers from John from Adelaide, South Australia
John Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.au
Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
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--
- -
Kabe Luna

http://www.garlandcary.com
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--
Cheers from John from Adelaide, South Australia
John Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.au
Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
Click to expand...
--
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Kabe Luna

http://www.garlandcary.com
 
Kabe Luna said:
John down under said:
Kabe Luna said:
So, even if the A900 only carries over that camera's construction
quality,
Click to expand...
Yes, A700 construction quality wouldn't be too bad.
Kabe Luna said:
combined with higher framing rates and a 24MP full frame
sensor,
Click to expand...
Higher frame rates than what, the A700 or the 5D? Either way, it's
going to cost a bit to achieve that with the high px count sensor.
Kabe Luna said:
it's already a better studio camera than the 5D at the same
price (at it's introduction).
Click to expand...
Same price? Where do you get that from?
Click to expand...
I'm saying if the A900 debuts at the same price as the 5D did with
the build quality and framing rate of the A700 and a full frame
sensor, it'd be a better studio camera than the original 5D was an
likely better than the 5D's successor which isn't likely to come near
the 24MP resolution.
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Hi Kabe. I was afraid you were thinking along those lines. I can't see how that could be achieved for the original 5D price. I expect the price to be closer to the 1D MK III, maybe even more. However, it's all speculation so far.

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Cheers from John from Adelaide, South Australia
John Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.au
Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
 
...but that's just what they did with the 5D. I'm not betting against Sony on this one – even if they have to give away the cameras it might be worth it to them to spur the more lucrative lens sales. If the A900 is more expensive than the D3, I'll be very, very surprised.

But you're right, it's all speculation at this point.
John down under said:
Kabe Luna said:
John down under said:
John down under said:
So, even if the A900 only carries over that camera's construction
quality,
Click to expand...
Yes, A700 construction quality wouldn't be too bad.
John down under said:
combined with higher framing rates and a 24MP full frame
sensor,
Click to expand...
Higher frame rates than what, the A700 or the 5D? Either way, it's
going to cost a bit to achieve that with the high px count sensor.
John down under said:
it's already a better studio camera than the 5D at the same
price (at it's introduction).
Click to expand...
Same price? Where do you get that from?
Click to expand...
I'm saying if the A900 debuts at the same price as the 5D did with
the build quality and framing rate of the A700 and a full frame
sensor, it'd be a better studio camera than the original 5D was an
likely better than the 5D's successor which isn't likely to come near
the 24MP resolution.
Click to expand...
Hi Kabe. I was afraid you were thinking along those lines. I can't
see how that could be achieved for the original 5D price. I expect
the price to be closer to the 1D MK III, maybe even more. However,
it's all speculation so far.

--
Cheers from John from Adelaide, South Australia
John Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.au
Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
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Kabe Luna

http://www.garlandcary.com
 
Kabe Luna said:
...but that's just what they did with the 5D. I'm not betting against
Sony on this one – even if they have to give away the cameras it
might be worth it to them to spur the more lucrative lens sales. If
the A900 is more expensive than the D3, I'll be very, very surprised.

But you're right, it's all speculation at this point.
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Sony would pay millions to studios to support their equipment...then release a product with no finished standard..then release three different standards...screwing it's early adapters..

Oh snap, that's Bluray, not the Alpha line.

:p

Any word if the new Alpha comes with a Root kit on the install CD? :p

I did own a Sony TV once, nicest SD tube TVs I ever owned.

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http://www.pbase.com/ewhalen

 
Kabe Luna said:
...but that's just what they did with the 5D.
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Hi Kabe. The difference is that the 5D is much lower res and much lower frame rates than we're talking about, and that must cost some serious $ to implement.
Kabe Luna said:
I'm not betting against
Sony on this one – even if they have to give away the cameras it
might be worth it to them to spur the more lucrative lens sales. If
the A900 is more expensive than the D3, I'll be very, very surprised.
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Same here. I think Sony will do well if it can achieve that.
Kabe Luna said:
But you're right, it's all speculation at this point.
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Yes, we'll all know soon enough.

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Cheers from John from Adelaide, South Australia
John Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.au
Canon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10
 
Ominous said:
The "prototype" is not functional.

There are no specs.
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For my understanding the prototype was functional.
Ominous said:
Sigma and Pentax have both "annoucned" products 18+ months ago that
have yet to see the light of day.

All this looks like, to me, is Sony saying.

WAIT A BIT LONGER!!! WE ALMOST HAVE SOMETHING WORTH OWNING!!!!
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I would not mix Sony with Pentax and Sigma. Let's face it, Sony in the last 4 months introduced 4 new DSLR, something witch Canon or Nikon had normally taken about 2 years to do.
Ominous said:
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Ominous said:
andrea buso said:
Let's face it, Sony in
the last 4 months introduced 4 new DSLR, something witch Canon or
Nikon had normally taken about 2 years to do.
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Huh?

Canon has a product cycle, and offers 5 different product levels.

Sony offers 2 product levels...entry...and just above entry.

Having 3 entry level cameras, to me, is nothing to write home about.

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Where do you see the A700? Just above entry?

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fjbyrne
 
Ominous said:
All this looks like, to me, is Sony saying.

WAIT A BIT LONGER!!! WE ALMOST HAVE SOMETHING WORTH OWNING!!!!
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Huh? Sony delivered everything according earlier announcements, the only exception being the CZ 16-80, which was delayed a little.

A long while back 2008 was already mentioned as the time of release for a flagship model and as far as I'm aware, it's still 2008 and still will be in september 2008.

As far as I'm aware, reps at PMA said the prototype showed is already fully functional. Which ofcourse doesn't say the final product might not be different.

As for fps, I can see the flagship model doing higher fps at lower MP. Say up to 10 fps at 10MP.
 
But nowhere did I see anything about a working CAMERA.

"09:27: Super Steady Shot for the Full Frame sensor is confirmed. Apparently there's a prototype here we can see in action."

If there was a working camera, you don't think that there would be sample pictures out somewhere?



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http://www.pbase.com/ewhalen

 
andrea buso said:
I would not mix Sony with Pentax and Sigma. Let's face it, Sony in
the last 4 months introduced 4 new DSLR, something witch Canon or
Nikon had normally taken about 2 years to do.
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have to love fan boys...

canon updated the 40D, 1Ds, 1D and rebel line in the last year.

nikon updated with the D40x, D60, D3 and D300 in the last year.

both of which is far more considerable than releasing 3 consumer and 1 prosumer grade cameras.
 
JortS29 said:
Ominous said:
All this looks like, to me, is Sony saying.

WAIT A BIT LONGER!!! WE ALMOST HAVE SOMETHING WORTH OWNING!!!!
Click to expand...
Huh? Sony delivered everything according earlier announcements, the
only exception being the CZ 16-80, which was delayed a little.

A long while back 2008 was already mentioned as the time of release
for a flagship model and as far as I'm aware, it's still 2008 and
still will be in september 2008.
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they showed that prototype of the "flagship" model last year's PMA as well.
 
rrcphoto said:
rrcphoto said:
I would not mix Sony with Pentax and Sigma. Let's face it, Sony in
the last 4 months introduced 4 new DSLR, something witch Canon or
Nikon had normally taken about 2 years to do.
Click to expand...
have to love fan boys...

canon updated the 40D, 1Ds, 1D and rebel line in the last year.

nikon updated with the D40x, D60, D3 and D300 in the last year.

both of which is far more considerable than releasing 3 consumer and
1 prosumer grade cameras.
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From the 10th of October 2007 until now SONY released the following DSLR's A700, A200, A300, A350.

They released the following lenses in 2007: SAL 16-105, SAL 55-200, SAL 18-250, Zeiss 16-80, and in spring 2008: SAL 70-300 G SSM, Zeiss 24-70f/2,8 SSM. But that is not all. There are coming several new lenses in 2008, and at least one new FF DSLR.

I think that thats a great achievement.

David
 
David Bo said:
rrcphoto said:
Member said:
I would not mix Sony with Pentax and Sigma. Let's face it, Sony in
the last 4 months introduced 4 new DSLR, something witch Canon or
Nikon had normally taken about 2 years to do.
Click to expand...
have to love fan boys...

canon updated the 40D, 1Ds, 1D and rebel line in the last year.

nikon updated with the D40x, D60, D3 and D300 in the last year.

both of which is far more considerable than releasing 3 consumer and
1 prosumer grade cameras.
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From the 10th of October 2007 until now SONY released the following
DSLR's A700, A200, A300, A350.
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They RELEASED them?

Can you buy an A200, 300, or A350 yet?
Member said:
They released the following lenses in 2007: SAL 16-105, SAL 55-200,
SAL 18-250, Zeiss 16-80, and in spring 2008: SAL 70-300 G SSM, Zeiss
24-70f/2,8 SSM. But that is not all. There are coming several new
lenses in 2008, and at least one new FF DSLR.

I think that thats a great achievement.
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Sony, Canon, Nikon, etc could release a thousand lenses, but I wouldn't care because I own almost all the lenses I want, and most of them are not "new"

Wake me when a 14-500 F1.2 zoom comes out and is priced under $3,000 :p

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A200 has been availble for some time now! In a week or two the A3xx will be availble too ...

Really low delay before they hit the shelfs!

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A700 owner
 
Ominous said:
David Bo said:
rrcphoto said:
Ominous said:
I would not mix Sony with Pentax and Sigma. Let's face it, Sony in
the last 4 months introduced 4 new DSLR, something witch Canon or
Nikon had normally taken about 2 years to do.
Click to expand...
have to love fan boys...

canon updated the 40D, 1Ds, 1D and rebel line in the last year.

nikon updated with the D40x, D60, D3 and D300 in the last year.

both of which is far more considerable than releasing 3 consumer and
1 prosumer grade cameras.
Click to expand...
From the 10th of October 2007 until now SONY released the following
DSLR's A700, A200, A300, A350.
Click to expand...
They RELEASED them?

Can you buy an A200, 300, or A350 yet?
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In fact you can buy a A200 just now. It were announced at CES in january......Sorry..... ;-)

But A300, and A350 are just announced, not released, but before this month are gone you can buy one :-)
Ominous said:
Ominous said:
They released the following lenses in 2007: SAL 16-105, SAL 55-200,
SAL 18-250, Zeiss 16-80, and in spring 2008: SAL 70-300 G SSM, Zeiss
24-70f/2,8 SSM. But that is not all. There are coming several new
lenses in 2008, and at least one new FF DSLR.

I think that thats a great achievement.
Click to expand...
Sony, Canon, Nikon, etc could release a thousand lenses, but I
wouldn't care because I own almost all the lenses I want, and most of
them are not "new"

Wake me when a 14-500 F1.2 zoom comes out and is priced under $3,000 :p

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http://www.pbase.com/ewhalen

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WOW..... U own all the lenses you want.....Thats really nice to know.

Thank you soo munch for telling me... You made my day!!

David
 
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