Beware of Filter pack from CKCPower

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Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower. It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
Nelson,

I am not sure if that is a problem with the filter pack and your expectations, or a problem with the limitations of the camera and your understanding of how polarizing filters work.

The only thing that sounds unusual is the inability of the Nikon to "lock in", however, when thinking about this for a second, that is just the very nature of a polarizing filter. As you pan, you are changing your angle to the sun. As you change your angle to the sun, your polarizing filter will naturally increase or decrease in the visible effect that you will achieve, if, you make no changes in your polarizing filter axis. That is the nature of the beast. I doubt that a polarizing filter will work well with pans if you do not intend to change the axis from shot to shot. Even if you did intend to do that, the results would probably be blotchy at best, once stitched.

I have dealt with CKC for some time, and have found Tom to be highly reputable, and I think that your comment "beware of filter pack from CKC" is probably unfair. At $25, this seems to be quite a bargain, if you understand the limitations of what you have purchased. IMHO

Ward
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
The auto white balance is going to defeat any colored filter.

The vignetting is not good. Much better to pay a little extra and get the Nikon filter kit. It comes with neutral density filters which can be add some functionality...such as slower shutter speeds in bright light.

As far as the problems you are having with exposure lock. I would not guess the polarizer is effecting that. Once the exposure is locked...its locked. But, the polarizer might be blocking different amounts of light as you rotate the camera around effectively changing the available light and therefore the exposure.
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
Hi Nelson:

I bought a filterpack from Tom and consider the C polarizer alone worth the price. Mine works fine and I don't have any vignetting at full wideangle.It shouldn't be used for ponos.
Don.
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
Nelson,

I too purchased the filter pack from Tom at CKC (Great guy, Great site!) and have not noticed any vignetting with my 950 unless I have the polarizer stacked on top of the UV filter.

As for the UV filter, you put it over your lens to protect your expensive camera optics, unless you have replaced it with another filter/lens. period.

IMHO, it was an excellent buy even if the FL filter is of questionable value.
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
Nelson,

I too purchased the filter kit from Tom @ CKC and I'm extremely happy with both the filters and the price. The UV filter as already stated is for protecting my expensive Nikorr lens. The other 2 have worked for me so far. I agree that Tom is a stand up guy and I trust him. Moreover, I like him, he's grewat to talk to and is pretty knowlegeable.

Ron B
I am not sure if that is a problem with the filter pack and your
expectations, or a problem with the limitations of the camera and your
understanding of how polarizing filters work.

The only thing that sounds unusual is the inability of the Nikon to "lock
in", however, when thinking about this for a second, that is just the
very nature of a polarizing filter. As you pan, you are changing your
angle to the sun. As you change your angle to the sun, your polarizing
filter will naturally increase or decrease in the visible effect that you
will achieve, if, you make no changes in your polarizing filter axis.
That is the nature of the beast. I doubt that a polarizing filter will
work well with pans if you do not intend to change the axis from shot to
shot. Even if you did intend to do that, the results would probably be
blotchy at best, once stitched.

I have dealt with CKC for some time, and have found Tom to be highly
reputable, and I think that your comment "beware of filter pack from CKC"
is probably unfair. At $25, this seems to be quite a bargain, if you
understand the limitations of what you have purchased. IMHO

Ward
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
The vignetting is not good. Much better to pay a little extra and get
the Nikon filter kit. It comes with neutral density filters which can be
add some functionality...such as slower shutter speeds in bright light.
I agree, but the 'Nikon' filters are not stamped Nikon, to my great dissapointment. They just say Made in Japan. However, I've no beef with them regardless if they're Nikon or not, its just that I expected Nikon-labeled products since I paid a Nikon price.
 
The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners.
First I've heard of that. Polarizer on top of UV filter perhaps?

And as others have said UV filter is to protect lens.
Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
Nothing wrong with the camera or the polarization filter.
Polarization is all about angles. Light from the sky comes
to you polarized at a certain angle. That angle changes
depending your view angle of that patch of sky relative
to the sun. When you turn a polarization filter crosswise
to the angle that the incoming light is polarized it cuts
most of it out, leaving only unpolarized light or light that
is at a different angle.

Anyway, when you change your angle of view relative to the sun
the polarization angle of the light reaching the camera changes
but the angle of the filter does not, thus the amount of light
passing through the filter changes significantly, and thus
your exposure changes. It would be nice to use the
filter with panoramas, but you can't.

Too bad.. Not the filter's fault. Not Tom's fault.
Adjust your expectations to match reality.
You still got a great deal on a set of filters.

ian
 
Friends,

Sometimes it happens, not knowingly though but it happens. Nelson tried to share his experience with users here. Though his lack of knowledge turned the whole story upwards down, I was also shocked to read the Subject.... as i have ordered the same set of filters for my 990 :))

But after reading all the replies there is a relief of sigh.... I think there is no harm if Nelson posts an appology and keeps the learning process go on as we all do.

But no matter what we all should post our experiences but try to avoid making an early attacking comments like that....

happy snapping....

Qamar Bukhari.
 
I too purchased the filter kit from Tom @ CKC and I'm extremely happy
with both the filters and the price. The UV filter as already stated is
for protecting my expensive Nikorr lens. The other 2 have worked for me
so far. I agree that Tom is a stand up guy and I trust him. Moreover, I
like him, he's grewat to talk to and is pretty knowlegeable.
I've purchased a lot of stuff from Tom and agree that he is a great guy. From all the replies that I got, you would think that I said he was in league with the devil. All I was doing was pointing out "my impression" of the limitations of the filter set, not of Tom.

You say the "other 2 have worked for me". Why/when are you using the flourescent filter?
 
Inflamatory subject lines? I listed several limitations of the filter kit. You don't think people should beware of the limitations of products? I mentioned CKCPower to identify the kit. Nowhere did I complain aboutTom.
The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners.
First I've heard of that. Polarizer on top of UV filter perhaps?
Nope. The polarizer sticks out plenty far on its own. Here is part of a picture which has vignetting in it. It doesn't happen all the time, but most of the time:


And as others have said UV filter is to protect lens.
Well, yeah. I'm not sure why everyone is telling me what it is for. What I said was that I didn't know how to judge the quality of the UV filter. But given that this kit appears not to have been made specifically for the 950 (else why a polaraizer filter which vignettes and which is virtually unusable outside and a flourescent filter which is superflous?), I do feel a little uneasy about the quality of the package.

For example, the description of the polarizer filter on the box says: "Reduces the amount of light entering your camera. Eliminates over exposed pictures when your lens aperture cannot be stopped down any further."

Does this sound like an accurate description of a polarizer filter, or of a ND filter? Doesn't it make you kinda wonder if these folks know what they're doing?
Also, it is difficult to determine the effect of the filter by looking at the
display.
Nobody had any comment on this, but if you can't look at the display and see the effect that rotating the PL filter is going to have, what good is it? I was reduced to taking a picture, rotating the filter, and taking another picture in hopes of getting the desired effect. Not the best way to go.
Nothing wrong with the camera or the polarization filter.
Polarization is all about angles. Light from the sky comes
to you polarized at a certain angle. That angle changes
depending your view angle of that patch of sky relative
to the sun. When you turn a polarization filter crosswise
to the angle that the incoming light is polarized it cuts
most of it out, leaving only unpolarized light or light that
is at a different angle.

Anyway, when you change your angle of view relative to the sun
the polarization angle of the light reaching the camera changes
but the angle of the filter does not, thus the amount of light
passing through the filter changes significantly, and thus
your exposure changes. It would be nice to use the
filter with panoramas, but you can't.

Too bad.. Not the filter's fault. Not Tom's fault.
I agree. The problems are more of an inherent limitation of the combination of the camera and filter combined. It's not necessarily anybody's "fault". I just thought it would be nice to alert people up front that, as you say, you can't use the polarizer fitler with panoramas. I would like to have known that before I went out and took a couple of dozen panoramas with it. (See http://www.hsv-life.com/isabella/golf )
Adjust your expectations to match reality.
Well, thanks for the advice, but my post was not about MY expectations. It was about alerting people to the limitations of the filters. If someone had given me this alert in time, I would have adjusted my expectations and not bought the set.
You still got a great deal on a set of filters.
It's only a "great deal" if the filters are of use. The flourescent filter is completely useless (unless someone can explain otherwise to me). The polarizer filter is only a hair away from being useless (since it appears to be virtually impossible to predetermine the effect it will have).

That leaves the UV filter. Assuming that its optical quality is equal to other UV filters (which, given the other problems is a generous assumption), you can get other UV filters for the same or less than the cost of this kit, so this kit is much less of a bargain than it first appears.

BTW, I don't believe I mentioned before that the lens cover cannot be attached to the polarizer filter, so if you want to leave that filter on, you have no protection for it -- yet another limitation.
 
I'm generally pleased with these filters... there are two little notes...

1) the case the filters ship in is way way too big for the filters

2) the polarizer doesn't have a threaded front, not a big deal, but you can't put your lens cap on the filter.
 
Alan:
My lens cap snaps on fine.I don't have a threaded lens cap, do you?
Don.
I'm generally pleased with these filters... there are two little notes...

1) the case the filters ship in is way way too big for the filters
2) the polarizer doesn't have a threaded front, not a big deal, but you
can't put your lens cap on the filter.
 
Thanks for the 'heads-up' Nelson.

Getting caught up in the fun of our new 990's we sometimes "forget" it is not an SLR which is where a polarizer filter is best used.

I could not help but chuckle at some of the overly "sensitive" reactions to your post. I do not see where you have lambasted Tom or his company. Maybe just the word "beware" has a negative connotation to some folks.
Onward...............!
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
On the crystaloptics polarizer I got from CK, the front retaining ring takes up virtually all of the front threads, so there is no place for the lens cap's grips to hold on to.
I'm generally pleased with these filters... there are two little notes...

1) the case the filters ship in is way way too big for the filters
2) the polarizer doesn't have a threaded front, not a big deal, but you
can't put your lens cap on the filter.
 
Nelson did nothing wrong, and owes nobody an apology! Everybody is overreacting to someones personal experience.

He simply stated his opinion and problems with the filter set. Thank you for saying something about the filters, instead of nothing! Something is better than nothing. I appreciate your time spent giving us some info about the filter set.

To me, the post was obviously not trying to be slanderous or negative. Just pointing out some opinions of the filter set.

That's what this forum is all about!!

Thanks again Nelson.
Based on a recommendation here, I ordered the filter pack from CKCPower.
It includes three filters (UV, polarizer, and flourescent light
correction filter) and a case for about $25 plus shipping.

My impression of the kit is that the flourescent filter is a waste since
it is easier to change the white balance in the camera.

The UV is probably ok. Don't know how to judge a UV filter.

The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners. Also, it is difficult to determine the
effect of the filter by looking at the display. Finally, it appears to
affect the exposure lock. I've taken lots of panorama pics with exposure
lock on and it works fine. Some panos I did with the polarizer filter had
signficant exposure/color variation from one pic to the next.
 
I'm genuinely intersted in having someone explain to me how you use the PL filter when you cannot see the effect of it on the display.

Check out the pics at http://www.hsv-life.com/isabella/golf . All of these pics were taken on the same day with the PL filter on. On the display, they all looked about the same, but as you can see, the results were drastically different.

Have you found some arcane use for the flourescent filter?
I'm generally pleased with these filters... there are two little notes...

1) the case the filters ship in is way way too big for the filters
2) the polarizer doesn't have a threaded front, not a big deal, but you
can't put your lens cap on the filter.
 
Nelson,

Yes, inflamatory lines. I've purchased products from CKC Power for almost two years. Tom Maldec scrupuously tests each product and stands behind them. On more than one occasion I've spend 45 mintues on the phone with him wasting his valuble customer accessibility. Your intentions notwithstanding what you transmitted was an inflamatory title which castigates CKCPOWER similar to those posts about egghead, thebigstore etc. We should have more vendors of his caliber.

Specifically, if you have a problem with a product describe the problems....if you have a problem with the vendor, describe the problems, etc. You might want to avoid cautioning everyone to avoid shopping at a particular establishment if all you had was problems with a (or several) particular products. I think that's the issue several of us had about the title.

RG
The polarizer sticks out far enough that in full optical zoom, there is
some vignetting in the corners.
First I've heard of that. Polarizer on top of UV filter perhaps?
Nope. The polarizer sticks out plenty far on its own. Here is part of a
picture which has vignetting in it. It doesn't happen all the time, but
most of the time:


And as others have said UV filter is to protect lens.
Well, yeah. I'm not sure why everyone is telling me what it is for. What
I said was that I didn't know how to judge the quality of the UV filter.
But given that this kit appears not to have been made specifically for
the 950 (else why a polaraizer filter which vignettes and which is
virtually unusable outside and a flourescent filter which is
superflous?), I do feel a little uneasy about the quality of the package.

For example, the description of the polarizer filter on the box says:
"Reduces the amount of light entering your camera. Eliminates over
exposed pictures when your lens aperture cannot be stopped down any
further."

Does this sound like an accurate description of a polarizer filter, or of
a ND filter? Doesn't it make you kinda wonder if these folks know what
they're doing?
Also, it is difficult to determine the effect of the filter by looking at the
display.
Nobody had any comment on this, but if you can't look at the display and
see the effect that rotating the PL filter is going to have, what good is
it? I was reduced to taking a picture, rotating the filter, and taking
another picture in hopes of getting the desired effect. Not the best way
to go.
Nothing wrong with the camera or the polarization filter.
Polarization is all about angles. Light from the sky comes
to you polarized at a certain angle. That angle changes
depending your view angle of that patch of sky relative
to the sun. When you turn a polarization filter crosswise
to the angle that the incoming light is polarized it cuts
most of it out, leaving only unpolarized light or light that
is at a different angle.

Anyway, when you change your angle of view relative to the sun
the polarization angle of the light reaching the camera changes
but the angle of the filter does not, thus the amount of light
passing through the filter changes significantly, and thus
your exposure changes. It would be nice to use the
filter with panoramas, but you can't.

Too bad.. Not the filter's fault. Not Tom's fault.
I agree. The problems are more of an inherent limitation of the
combination of the camera and filter combined. It's not necessarily
anybody's "fault". I just thought it would be nice to alert people up
front that, as you say, you can't use the polarizer fitler with
panoramas. I would like to have known that before I went out and took a
couple of dozen panoramas with it. (See
http://www.hsv-life.com/isabella/golf )
Adjust your expectations to match reality.
Well, thanks for the advice, but my post was not about MY expectations.
It was about alerting people to the limitations of the filters. If
someone had given me this alert in time, I would have adjusted my
expectations and not bought the set.
You still got a great deal on a set of filters.
It's only a "great deal" if the filters are of use. The flourescent
filter is completely useless (unless someone can explain otherwise to
me). The polarizer filter is only a hair away from being useless (since
it appears to be virtually impossible to predetermine the effect it will
have).

That leaves the UV filter. Assuming that its optical quality is equal to
other UV filters (which, given the other problems is a generous
assumption), you can get other UV filters for the same or less than the
cost of this kit, so this kit is much less of a bargain than it first
appears.

BTW, I don't believe I mentioned before that the lens cover cannot be
attached to the polarizer filter, so if you want to leave that filter on,
you have no protection for it -- yet another limitation.
 

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