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A little credit to the Olympus e-330 please?

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just using and trumpeting as the innovation now.

But I agree it's not copying. My post is not about copying, for the record, but about credit, that's all.

As for Sony with antishake and wireless, they bought Minolta's DSLR division. That hardly counts as a Sony innovation.

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makes a good photograph.'
 
there is no "heating risk" as in "camera will burst into flames risk." Olympus recommends you use a lower iso or let the camera cool off without live view. Doesn't meant he camera itself is in danger of burning or anything like that. You can still shoot, you will get more noise if you were using liveview all the time and this of course will vary with ambient temperature.

YOU CAN still shoot anyway, and it may not be even an issue. YOu will have to see for yourself. More recent models like the E-3 are even more impervious to this.
BJL said:
Raist3d said:
[Olympus recommends that] If you are shooting at HIGH ISO, you let the camera cool down a bit after 5-8 minutes of use.
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Thanks, very interesting! So it seems that it is using high levels of
on-sensor pre-amplification associated with high ISO speeds on an
active CMOS sensor that is a possible heating risk. (Yet the CMOS
sensor of the Sony R1 seemed to handle this?)

I will be careful if I ever do a lot of macro/product/portrait/tripod
photography at high ISO, as opposed to the ISO 100 that I almost
always use in such situations.
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Raist3d said:
just using and trumpeting as the innovation now.

But I agree it's not copying. My post is not about copying, for the
record, but about credit, that's all.
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Where is the credit given by Olympus to Konica Minolta for their anti-shake or wireless flash systems? Where is the credit given by Olympus to Canon for their ultra-sonic motors?
Member said:
As for Sony with antishake and wireless, they bought Minolta's DSLR
division. That hardly counts as a Sony innovation.
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The innovation is with the Alpha mount system, which Sony continues on from KM's earlier development. Hence I said Sony/Minolta rather than just Sony.
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A classic case of somebody who just can't stand to see anyone get the credit beyond Sony/Minolta. This is hilarious - but its par for the course.
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As always - good shooting....

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Two Truths said:
Raist3d said:
just using and trumpeting as the innovation now.

But I agree it's not copying. My post is not about copying, for the
record, but about credit, that's all.
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Where is the credit given by Olympus to Konica Minolta for their
anti-shake or wireless flash systems? Where is the credit given by
Olympus to Canon for their ultra-sonic motors?
Two Truths said:
As for Sony with antishake and wireless, they bought Minolta's DSLR
division. That hardly counts as a Sony innovation.
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The innovation is with the Alpha mount system, which Sony continues
on from KM's earlier development. Hence I said Sony/Minolta rather
than just Sony.
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exp1orer said:
Two Truths said:
Raist3d said:
just using and trumpeting as the innovation now.

But I agree it's not copying. My post is not about copying, for the
record, but about credit, that's all.
Click to expand...
Where is the credit given by Olympus to Konica Minolta for their
anti-shake or wireless flash systems? Where is the credit given by
Olympus to Canon for their ultra-sonic motors?
exp1orer said:
As for Sony with antishake and wireless, they bought Minolta's DSLR
division. That hardly counts as a Sony innovation.
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The innovation is with the Alpha mount system, which Sony continues
on from KM's earlier development. Hence I said Sony/Minolta rather
than just Sony.
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Raist3d said:
where "quite different." Both split the light, and both are using a
2nd sensor. Both also focus quick in live view mode.
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But they are not splitting the light, they are diverting it. Unlike Olympus, with the Sony you either get LV or the OVF, not both simultaneously. This should certainly solve the dim OVF complaint the E-330 had. Have you seen Phil's nifty little graphic in the hands-on.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08013003sonyalpha1st.asp
 
Raist3d said:
right?
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... of the live view function of course. Not the body exterior. We we discussing live view implementation, right.

The Dpreview review of the E-330 says it all, I would say. Still in the archives here, in case you forgot :)
 
shows you haven't checked the latest 4/3rd offerings. But then maybe that's why you thought "QuickNav" was new.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Raist3d said:
there is no "heating risk" as in "camera will burst into flames risk."
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I know that: the "heating" issue is only a possible increase in dark noise due to to somewhat increased temperature. Where did I or anyone suggest otherwise?
 
Raist3d said:
where "quite different." Both split the light
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Not as I see it. In the Sony system you can choose to direct the mirrored image either to the view finder or to the live view sensor. No split. That's one main difference IMO.

It still remains to be seen, how well Sony's system perform in practical use (is the viewfinder too small, too dark, will the live view be crisp and clear enough, is the AF fast and accurate and so on) of course. But the design of the live view function, as we have seen it so far, is rather elegant and not seen like this before AFAIK.
 
Two Truths said:
Raist3d said:
just using and trumpeting as the innovation now.

But I agree it's not copying. My post is not about copying, for the
record, but about credit, that's all.
Click to expand...
Where is the credit given by Olympus to Konica Minolta for their
anti-shake or wireless flash systems? Where is the credit given by
Olympus to Canon for their ultra-sonic motors?
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Olympus developed their own. This is why it took them long. There's no particular "magic" here except evolution. You would think then KonicaMinolta owes Canon too?
Two Truths said:
Two Truths said:
As for Sony with antishake and wireless, they bought Minolta's DSLR
division. That hardly counts as a Sony innovation.
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The innovation is with the Alpha mount system, which Sony continues
on from KM's earlier development. Hence I said Sony/Minolta rather
than just Sony.
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Sony just bought Minolta. The innovation they are bringing is now. Ill give Sony credit for the mirror slightly different way. Regardless, this is not about "copying" but about credit and mention of someone who did it first. Olympus certainly is not claiming they invented wireless Flash.

This is also about the way the preview was written, not about Sony. But you insist in making it so. Looks like you have issues.
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
tweedle said:
Raist3d said:
right?
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... of the live view function of course. Not the body exterior. We we
discussing live view implementation, right.

The Dpreview review of the E-330 says it all, I would say. Still in
the archives here, in case you forgot :)
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No, I haven't forgotten. I know exactly how it works. I actually have one and Olympus "let us know" through marketing in several websites how was it. There is a difference but the idea to split a light came first with Olympus. That's all.

I am not critizicing Sony. IN fact, I praised them. For some reason talking about giving credit to Olympus for pioneering this- the very first usable light view/real time liveview system got split into "Sony this/Olympus dat."

Read carefully my original post.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
AlanF said:
AlanF said:
Olympus's idea is particularly interesting: it adds a small imaging sensor into the viewfinder chamber with a beamsplitter directing light onto it in live view mode. This means light is still able to reach the focus and metering sensors.
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AlanF said:
Sony's idea is particularly interesting: it adds a small imaging sensor into the viewfinder chamber with a secondary mirror redirecting light onto it in live view mode. This means light is still able to reach the focus and metering sensors.
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Compare and contrast.
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No beam splitter in the Sony solution. Big difference.
 
tweedle said:
Raist3d said:
where "quite different." Both split the light
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Not as I see it. In the Sony system you can choose to direct the
mirrored image either to the view finder or to the live view
sensor. No split. That's one main difference IMO.
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When I say split I mean that you get a split to the light of the live view and the view finder, OR the main sensor.
tweedle said:
It still remains to be seen, how well Sony's system perform in
practical use (is the viewfinder too small, too dark, will the live
view be crisp and clear enough, is the AF fast and accurate and so
on) of course. But the design of the live view function, as we have
seen it so far, is rather elegant and not seen like this before AFAIK.
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I think Sony will be fine.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
about the wording "heating risk." Usually sounds more onerous, that's all.

It's all clarifying. That's all.

BTW, on the e-330 this is a non issue when using live view mode A.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Raist3d said:
tweedle said:
Raist3d said:
right?
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... of the live view function of course. Not the body exterior. We we
discussing live view implementation, right.

The Dpreview review of the E-330 says it all, I would say. Still in
the archives here, in case you forgot :)
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No, I haven't forgotten. I know exactly how it works. I actually have
one and Olympus "let us know" through marketing in several websites
how was it. There is a difference but the idea to split a light came
first with Olympus. That's all.

I am not critizicing Sony. IN fact, I praised them. For some reason
talking about giving credit to Olympus for pioneering this- the very
first usable light view/real time liveview system got split into
"Sony this/Olympus dat."

Read carefully my original post.
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But Sony does not split the light. They let the user have a choice 1) if they want the image to be directed at the view finder or 2) at the live view sensor.

It's either-or, you make a choice, it's not split.

As for the E-330-implementation, this is what Phil Askey concluded after its release in 2006: 'If you can't do it properly, don't do it':
Member said:
Live View issues
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Member said:
Live View does on the whole work, certainly it's best in good light
or in Mode B for assessing depth of field and accurate focus for
macro work. It's fair to say that in Mode B you can achieve far
more accurate focus point / DOF setup than you could using the
viewfinder. However we did experience several issues with the
E-330's Live View implementation which left us with a distinct '
if you can't do it properly, don't do it at all' feeling.
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Member said:
  • Dark view in low light with A Mode, noise and flickering if 'Live
View Boost' is set to On
  • White balance is not applied to live view (inaccurate representation
of color) in either mode
  • Brightness of live view not representative of final shot (exposure
compen. ignored)
  • Reduced frame coverage in A Mode (just 92%)
  • Viewfinder eyepiece shutter recommendation in A Mode
  • Viewfinder status LCD blank when A Mode live view is active
  • Additional shutter release lag in B Mode (around 0.7 seconds)
  • Additional darkening of the viewfinder view
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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/OlympusE330/
 
Raist3d said:
tweedle said:
Raist3d said:
where "quite different." Both split the light
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Not as I see it. In the Sony system you can choose to direct the
mirrored image either to the view finder or to the live view
sensor. No split. That's one main difference IMO.
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When I say split I mean that you get a split to the light of the live
view and the view finder, OR the main sensor.
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True. It's just that in the E-330 implmentation the beam was actually split, that is divided. In the Sony solution it is not. I think this is why using the word 'split' about the Sony cams leaves a little confusion.
 
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