It's about druthers . . .

The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
Laurence, I think the previous two sentences add nothing to the
discussion and set a strong negative tone. I know you believe this is
"humor", but it paints Sigma users in a negative light.
Let's (you and me) just accept that you don't get or want to get my
humor or "humor" and I don't get that you don't get it. Then you
don't have to get your Jockeys all twisted up into a knot and I don't
have to worry about editing my comments to keep your knickers from
tightening .
It's not my knickers I'm worried about. If it were only me,
personally, I'd enjoy the challenge of getting out my secret decoder
ring and trying to decipher your humor.

I'm trying to point out that I'm not the only one who finds your
humor difficult, and that it paints all Sigma users in a negative
light. You're seen as a leader in this community.
Not really.
This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"
Actually, that's Canon's motto.
Actually, it's not. Canon's (at least in Europe) is "With Canon, you
can." Their new slogan in the States is "So advanced...it's simple".
But perhaps I missed something.
Tag line on the Canon forums. Personally, it always makes me think of
the "Can can".

Then again, I don't think they'll go for my concepts for a Canon
motto...

Grab a Canon and shoot it.
I believe that's my slogan. Why else would I have a 300-800?
Canon - just shoot it.
Iirc, this was used by an Illinois senator recently.
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Next camera needs an AA filter--just kidding. 1.3 crop, add some more pixels, try to work on extending exposure time to one or two minutes. Oh, and what everyone else said. :)
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I realise that when buying a camera from a smaller DSLR manufacturer such Sigma or Fuji that compromises have to be made therefore I'm not too bothered that it isn't going to have all the features that other manufacturers may provide.

My main concern is always going to be Image Quality, is it able to give something different that a camera from another manufacturer may not. I'm not a sports photographer so I don't care that it doesn't have a faster frame rate. If I wanted to shoot sports and be certain of getting the shot of fast moving action I would buy Canon or Nikon every time. Likewise I find the size of the LCD to be perfectly adequate for my needs. I don't see much point increasing it to 3" or beyond just to play catch up with the competition when it will very likely lead to poorer battery performance. I find the body composite to be fine too, although it might be nice if it were more weather and dust proof, but if the lenses aren't sealed there isn't much point. Perhaps though the next model could come with a cover that protected both the lens and the camera. That would surely be a cheaper option.

I have to admit to not being a high ISO user, so for me as long as it was capable of

getting quality shots from ISO 800 with little in the way of noise I'd be happy but perhaps that's me being selfish there. The shutter for me is perfect as is, I don't see it needing any development. No need to fix what isn't broke. I can't say that I have always been impressed by other manufacturers anti-shake technology all of the time however perhaps if Sigma were to develop a slightly bigger sensor it might be less sensitive to shake when being hand held.

I have a limited budget in which to spend on a camera body and quality lenses so therefore I'm not sure I could afford a Sigma in the future if they were to develop a full frame Sensor. Especially when you bare in mind that Sigma are developing the foveon sensor on their own. Perhaps a smaller crop factor would be nice though if the price wasn't prohibitive.

The areas I really would like to see development in include the following:

Faster processing and bigger buffer - I like the fact that this is a camera that makes me think about what I am doing especially as I someone who normally does everything fast and efficiently. When I have photographing I like to take the opportunity to slow down and relax, take my time, but there is slow and then there is agonisingly slow. I haven't done so with this camera yet but if I were to use this camera for portrait photography I would like to be able to show the share the image to the person I was taking a shot of. With this camera though I feel I would have to have a conversation with them first, which is no bad thing for relations between photographer and subject but I'm an impatient person I like to do my talking and viewing at the same time. To be honest I've hardly used auto focus, I'm surprised in that I thought I would have used it more until I got used to the camera but for some reason almost by default I've been quite happy to use manual focusing. That said though I've read enough to know that auto focus isn't great in all conditions so although I can't judge from my own experiences it would be nice to have improved auto focus abilities that we all can be happy with. Longer exposure capabilities would also be nice. So far I haven't run out of battery juice but bigger batteries are always a bonus. If there are batteries out there that can last for 500 shots then 2 batteries would be perfectly adequate for most of us I suspect. This is one area that could be developed for little cost.

As for white balance I can't say I can make a strong enough judgement on that yet.

Above all if I were to buy from Sigma again I would like to be able to say that whatever the camera it was able to give me something that I can't get elsewhere. I don't expect it to be the best at everything.
 
  • faster processing
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
see below, if it does not delay the camera release
  • high ISO noise reduction
no,
but if implemented an on / off switch, mandatory for astrography as
is longer shutter speeds
  • in-camera anti-shake
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • bigger buffer
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • faster memory
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • stronger battery
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • sealed (water and dust) body
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • auto focus
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • white balance
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • metal body
yes, longer shutter speeds
  • faster frame rate
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
Is it just me, or does anyone else sense a "trend" to his post ???

You know if we can ever get technology up to the point where a truly optically-equal EVF is viable, could also result in shorter delay times.

(and PRE-exposure BUFFERING where we can reclaim an image BEFORE the final shutter release - ala Casio EXILIM)
ok
  • anything else
for true pros a pure raw mode (or a limited Pro version) => sensor
data to CF (no processing whatsoever) just like film days. I think
this must be the most important part of a true color camera. There is
plenty of time to develop the film later.

Also at some place should be available the (secret) formula how to
develop the x3f files now and 150+ years from now.

For speed and jpg
I cannot see any reason why a true hardware raw to jpg converter
could not be implemented with the available technology, programmable
not but interchangeable yes.

Or if one needs to make a jpg, make a separate pipeline hw and jpg
with another CF card for that as an addon module (maybe in battery
grip).

my 2 cents
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I realise that when buying a camera from a smaller DSLR manufacturer
such Sigma or Fuji that compromises have to be made therefore I'm not
too bothered that it isn't going to have all the features that other
manufacturers may provide.

My main concern is always going to be Image Quality, is it able to
give something different that a camera from another manufacturer may
not. I'm not a sports photographer so I don't care that it doesn't
have a faster frame rate. If I wanted to shoot sports and be certain
of getting the shot of fast moving action I would buy Canon or Nikon
every time. Likewise I find the size of the LCD to be perfectly
adequate for my needs. I don't see much point increasing it to 3" or
beyond just to play catch up with the competition when it will very
likely lead to poorer battery performance. I find the body composite
to be fine too, although it might be nice if it were more weather and
dust proof, but if the lenses aren't sealed there isn't much point.
Perhaps though the next model could come with a cover that protected
both the lens and the camera. That would surely be a cheaper option.
I have to admit to not being a high ISO user, so for me as long as it
was capable of
getting quality shots from ISO 800 with little in the way of noise
I'd be happy but perhaps that's me being selfish there. The shutter
for me is perfect as is, I don't see it needing any development. No
need to fix what isn't broke. I can't say that I have always been
impressed by other manufacturers anti-shake technology all of the
time however perhaps if Sigma were to develop a slightly bigger
sensor it might be less sensitive to shake when being hand held.

I have a limited budget in which to spend on a camera body and
quality lenses so therefore I'm not sure I could afford a Sigma in
the future if they were to develop a full frame Sensor. Especially
when you bare in mind that Sigma are developing the foveon sensor on
their own. Perhaps a smaller crop factor would be nice though if the
price wasn't prohibitive.

The areas I really would like to see development in include the
following:

Faster processing and bigger buffer - I like the fact that this is a
camera that makes me think about what I am doing especially as I
someone who normally does everything fast and efficiently. When I
have photographing I like to take the opportunity to slow down and
relax, take my time, but there is slow and then there is agonisingly
slow. I haven't done so with this camera yet but if I were to use
this camera for portrait photography I would like to be able to show
the share the image to the person I was taking a shot of. With this
camera though I feel I would have to have a conversation with them
first, which is no bad thing for relations between photographer and
subject but I'm an impatient person I like to do my talking and
viewing at the same time. To be honest I've hardly used auto focus,
I'm surprised in that I thought I would have used it more until I got
used to the camera but for some reason almost by default I've been
quite happy to use manual focusing. That said though I've read enough
to know that auto focus isn't great in all conditions so although I
can't judge from my own experiences it would be nice to have improved
auto focus abilities that we all can be happy with. Longer exposure
capabilities would also be nice. So far I haven't run out of battery
juice but bigger batteries are always a bonus. If there are batteries
out there that can last for 500 shots then 2 batteries would be
perfectly adequate for most of us I suspect. This is one area that
could be developed for little cost.

As for white balance I can't say I can make a strong enough judgement
on that yet.

Above all if I were to buy from Sigma again I would like to be able
to say that whatever the camera it was able to give me something that
I can't get elsewhere. I don't expect it to be the best at everything.
You are VERY "nice" .... and I am sure that Sigma "loves" you.

Unfortunately, I DO expect it to be at least "competitive" with everything else out there; unless the cost is $200.

Sigma WAS the best "value" for the money, but there are now cheaper competitors with more features.

You said you were not a "sports" photographer, but unfortunately you don't have to be a "sports" photographer to NEED/want the ability to catch quick action.

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1) I'd like to have as an option, that the camera not ever go to
sleep (always ready to take a picture instantly when the power switch
is on).
This helps a lot to learn all the options your SD14 has :D
Just turn it off in the menu!!
Thought you where beta tester and you never tried all the functions....!
Beta testers don't usually have manuals... I'll look for that option. But are you sure you mean the camera sleep, and not the LCD sleep? Two very different things.

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The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
What if they decided to clean up the SD14 act? What should Sigma do?

Specifically, should they do anything about:
  • faster processing
  • high ISO noise reduction
  • in-camera anti-shake
  • bigger buffer
  • faster memory
  • stronger battery
  • sealed (water and dust) body
  • auto focus
  • white balance
  • shutter
  • metal body
  • faster frame rate
  • the LCD
  • anything else
The first two of my suggestions can be implemented simply by their
inclusion into a future firmware update:

1) I'd like to be able to select ISO25 in extended mode, like say for
those times you want to beautifully blur the movement of waves in
water, or to just get even better image quality than is achievable at
ISO50 in good lighting conditions, or for use in a studio.
2) I would like to be able to have the shutter open for at least 60
seconds or maybe to as much as 120 seconds, rather than the current
30....This would enable the SD14 user to turn night into day whilst
staying at a low ISO, thus maintaining the best possible image
quality.

Now some suggestions that cannot be implimented with a firmware update:

1) I'd like Sigma to start selling AF macro extension rings, so all
Sigma users can convert their non-macro Sigma lenses to macro use
whilst retaining AF and AA functions...Something not possible when
using M42, PK or Nikon mount extension rings.
2) I'd like Sigma to offer a coiled S-TTL off-camera flash cable to
run between the hotshoe and an off-camera Sigma flashgun and possibly
an S-TTL extension cable for use with the S-TTL off-camera flash
cable.
3) I would like to Sigma to offer a replacement dust-protector fitted
with a filter that cuts IR and visible light but not UV, so UV light
only photography will be possible with the SD14.
4) I'd like to see a dedicated splash-proof water-resistant
leatherette (PVC) case for the SD14...To prevent splashes of water
entering the body when white-water-rafting say, or just for when you
need to take pics in the rain.
Obviously it should have a clear PVC panel in the rear of the case to
enable the LCD screen to be seen clearly with the case fitted to the
camera and likewise a small one on the top for the LCD settings
display.
Such a case would also prevent the body getting scratched when in a
hostile enviroment.
The option of being able to buy the case in several different colours
would also be a very nice touch...Girls would invariably prefer pink
cases, boys black or blue but personally I would like a woodland
camoflage colour case for when I'm out doing wildlife
photography...But I'd settle for drab olive colour case.
5) I'd like to see a dedicated underwater/diving case for the SD14,
waterproof to a depth of at least 30meters, for users who go diving,
or just snorkeling, and want to take underwater pics.
6) A much higher resolution LCD screen...Like the one in the DP1.
It may sound strange to newbies, but Sigma really do seem to listen
to what is said and read this forum on occasion.
I hope your right.
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Sorry Thomas, Kendall is right.

What he talks about is the very annoying fact that the camera has a power-saving feature that turns off metering and AF after about 6 seconds. Setting "Auto Power Off" to "Off" does not affect this timer at all. This timer is NOT configurable.
1) I'd like to have as an option, that the camera not ever go to
sleep (always ready to take a picture instantly when the power switch
is on).
This helps a lot to learn all the options your SD14 has :D
Just turn it off in the menu!!
Thought you where beta tester and you never tried all the functions....!
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The first two of my suggestions can be implemented simply by their
inclusion into a future firmware update:
Well, except that they can't.
1) I'd like to be able to select ISO25 in extended mode, like say for
those times you want to beautifully blur the movement of waves in
water, or to just get even better image quality than is achievable at
ISO50 in good lighting conditions, or for use in a studio.
Can't be done with a firmware update, I'm afraid. The ISO 50 update just allowed the metering system to overexpose a bit, and warned the raw processing software that it would have to deal aggressively with blown highlights. You can't overexpose two stops and try to recover that much blown highlights.

The closest thing to a way around that is to implement low ISO modes the way Kodak did in the SLR/n (which was a marketing failure, so maybe not the best camera to imitate). That involves using a CMOS sensor in "rolling shutter" mode, accumulating and summing the successively read exposures. The problem is that the effective ISO drops only in proportion to how much longer the exposure is than the sensor readout speed, and the technique is very sensitive to blown highlights, so you can't combine it with the existing hokey software low ISO mode, you first have to jump over the native ISO. For the ISO 100 SD-14, ISO 200 would be a good starting point. So, 2 rolling shutter cycles of 1/4 second at ISO 200 would get you to ISO 100 at 1/2 second (but with very good dynamic range).

2 cycles, ISO 100, 1/2 second or longer exposures
4 cycles, ISO 50, 1 second or longer exposures
8 cycles, ISO 25, 2 second or longer exposures
16 cycles, ISO 12, 4 second or longer exposures
32 cycles, ISO 6, 8 second or longer exposures

The Kodak only went down to ISO 6. The results were very nice, but essentially useless for your waves (or the other situations which you describe as "good lighting conditions") unless you use a neutral density filter. And they're totally useless in the studio.
2) I would like to be able to have the shutter open for at least 60
seconds or maybe to as much as 120 seconds, rather than the current
30....This would enable the SD14 user to turn night into day
No, it would enable the SD14 user to "turn night into noise". ;)

Firmware won't address the noise problems, and it's a case of diminishing returns.
whilst
staying at a low ISO, thus maintaining the best possible image
quality.

Now some suggestions that cannot be implimented with a firmware update:
You've already covered that. Now, on to the suggestions that can't be implemented, at all...

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1) I'd like Sigma to start selling AF macro extension rings, so all
Sigma users can convert their non-macro Sigma lenses to macro use
whilst retaining AF and AA functions...Something not possible when
using M42, PK or Nikon mount extension rings.
AA and AE are nice. Don't get excited about AF, it doesn't work particularly well with extension rings that support electrical connection of camera and lens. I use the Kenko rings on a Nikon system (which has considerably more advanced AF that any Sigma) and it gets marginal unless you're doing something very conservative (like a 12mm ring on a 70-200mm f2.8 or a 20mm ring on a 300mm f2.8).

Doesn't really matter, they're not going to do it, for reasons that will be clear in a second.
2) I'd like Sigma to offer a coiled S-TTL off-camera flash cable to
run between the hotshoe and an off-camera Sigma flashgun and possibly
an S-TTL extension cable for use with the S-TTL off-camera flash
cable.
This is not likely to happen for exactly the same reason that Sigma won't do the extension rings. What Sigma makes is driven by the sales they believe they can achieve in the main (Nikon and Canon) markets. Making an SA mount lens is easy, if you've already got a Canon mount lens in production. Making a flash for SD-14 is easy, if you're already producing a Canon mount one. You keep all the expensive parts, and just change the foot.

An off-camera cable is a low cost, low margin item in a field that is not only already crowded (Nikon and Canon make several cables for their respective systems, and there are a multitude of aftermarket cables) but dying (as the low end and mid line cameras acquire the ability to use their built in flashes as TTL remotes for the off-camera flashes).
3) I would like to Sigma to offer a replacement dust-protector fitted
with a filter that cuts IR and visible light but not UV, so UV light
only photography will be possible with the SD14.
You would like Sigma to develop a specialized component that would sell by the dozens? It's hard enough to get dealers to even stock SD-14 or a few SA mount lenses, let alone a very obscure accessory. They would have to sell it direct and deal with the hassles of international shipping of small items (customs and brokerage charges).
4) I'd like to see a dedicated splash-proof water-resistant
leatherette (PVC) case for the SD14...To prevent splashes of water
entering the body when white-water-rafting say, or just for when you
need to take pics in the rain.
Obviously it should have a clear PVC panel in the rear of the case to
enable the LCD screen to be seen clearly with the case fitted to the
camera and likewise a small one on the top for the LCD settings
display.
Such a case would also prevent the body getting scratched when in a
hostile enviroment.
The option of being able to buy the case in several different colours
would also be a very nice touch...
Again, you're talking about something so specialized that you're lucky if they offer it in one color, and again, direct sales only.
Girls would invariably prefer pink cases, boys black or blue
"Invariably" sexist?
but personally I would like a woodland
camoflage colour case for when I'm out doing wildlife
photography...
Your lens is much bigger than your camera. They have zip on sleeves for those.
But I'd settle for drab olive colour case.
5) I'd like to see a dedicated underwater/diving case for the SD14,
waterproof to a depth of at least 30meters, for users who go diving,
or just snorkeling, and want to take underwater pics.
Again, even the big players like Nikon and Canon don't do that. They let manufacturers like Ikelite and Seabel handle it.
It may sound strange to newbies, but Sigma really do seem to listen
to what is said and read this forum on occasion.
I hope your right.
;)

You have to suggest things that actually have a business case.

Relatively easy hardware modifications to the camera are doable, because they already have a distribution channel for that. Accessories that sell in considerably smaller quantities than the camera don't have a channel, and the whole "considerably smaller quantities" concept doesn't make them attractive to Sigma management anyway.

Harder technology (new lenses, accessories, etc) has to be driven by the question "will it sell in large quantities to Nikon and Canon users?"

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1) I'd like to be able to select ISO25 in extended mode, like say for
those times you want to beautifully blur the movement of waves in
water, or to just get even better image quality than is achievable at
ISO50 in good lighting conditions, or for use in a studio.
Can't be done with a firmware update, I'm afraid. The ISO 50 update
just allowed the metering system to overexpose a bit, and warned the
raw processing software that it would have to deal aggressively with
blown highlights. You can't overexpose two stops and try to recover
that much blown highlights.
Agree.
The closest thing to a way around that is to implement low ISO modes
the way Kodak did in the SLR/n (which was a marketing failure, so
maybe not the best camera to imitate). That involves using a CMOS
sensor in "rolling shutter" mode, accumulating and summing the
successively read exposures. The problem is that the effective ISO
drops only in proportion to how much longer the exposure is than the
sensor readout speed, and the technique is very sensitive to blown
highlights, so you can't combine it with the existing hokey software
low ISO mode, you first have to jump over the native ISO. For the ISO
100 SD-14, ISO 200 would be a good starting point. So, 2 rolling
shutter cycles of 1/4 second at ISO 200 would get you to ISO 100 at
1/2 second (but with very good dynamic range).

2 cycles, ISO 100, 1/2 second or longer exposures
4 cycles, ISO 50, 1 second or longer exposures
8 cycles, ISO 25, 2 second or longer exposures
16 cycles, ISO 12, 4 second or longer exposures
32 cycles, ISO 6, 8 second or longer exposures

The Kodak only went down to ISO 6. The results were very nice, but
essentially useless for your waves (or the other situations which you
describe as "good lighting conditions") unless you use a neutral
density filter. And they're totally useless in the studio.
Great to get some insight on the stacking in the Kodaks but in what way is it useless in the studio? I mean, as long as you do not shoot..um..livestock...
2) I would like to be able to have the shutter open for at least 60
seconds or maybe to as much as 120 seconds, rather than the current
30....This would enable the SD14 user to turn night into day
No, it would enable the SD14 user to "turn night into noise". ;)
You can shoot an SD14 for 30 seconds without a problem. Why should it become noisy if exposing for one minute?

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something really necessary, maybe for the next firmwareupdate for the sd14...

i want to see which aperture and shutter speed i use without half-pressing the shutter release. this is pretty uncomfortable right now since the display shows nothing if i turn the wheel.

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1) I'd like to be able to select ISO25 in extended mode, like say for
those times you want to beautifully blur the movement of waves in
water, or to just get even better image quality than is achievable at
ISO50 in good lighting conditions, or for use in a studio.
Can't be done with a firmware update, I'm afraid. The ISO 50 update
just allowed the metering system to overexpose a bit, and warned the
raw processing software that it would have to deal aggressively with
blown highlights. You can't overexpose two stops and try to recover
that much blown highlights.
Agree.
Cool.
The closest thing to a way around that is to implement low ISO modes
the way Kodak did in the SLR/n (which was a marketing failure, so
maybe not the best camera to imitate). That involves using a CMOS
sensor in "rolling shutter" mode,
[snip]
The Kodak only went down to ISO 6. The results were very nice, but
essentially useless for your waves (or the other situations which you
describe as "good lighting conditions") unless you use a neutral
density filter. And they're totally useless in the studio.
Great to get some insight on the stacking in the Kodaks but in what
way is it useless in the studio? I mean, as long as you do not
shoot..um..livestock...
Actually, livestock would be fine, under hot lights. Cows are great for long exposures. Humans tend to "jiggle" a bit, especially past a second.

You can't use the technique for flash, the flash would blow one of the ISO 200 exposures in the stack, and the rest would be black.

Product photography would be good, but there are seldom DOF issues in product work, the lighting is so meticulous.
2) I would like to be able to have the shutter open for at least 60
seconds or maybe to as much as 120 seconds, rather than the current
30....This would enable the SD14 user to turn night into day
No, it would enable the SD14 user to "turn night into noise". ;)
You can shoot an SD14 for 30 seconds without a problem. Why should it
become noisy if exposing for one minute?
The noise accumulates as fast as the exposure does, the dignal to noise ratio tends to remain constant.

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Quality Control.
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
What if they decided to clean up the SD14 act? What should Sigma do?

Specifically, should they do anything about:
  • faster processing
  • high ISO noise reduction
  • in-camera anti-shake
  • bigger buffer
  • faster memory
  • stronger battery
  • sealed (water and dust) body
  • auto focus
  • white balance
  • shutter
  • metal body
  • faster frame rate
  • the LCD
  • anything else
It may sound strange to newbies, but Sigma really do seem to listen
to what is said and read this forum on occasion. Why not give them
our collective shopping list?

So pick a topic or two, tell them what you would like changed and
why, come up with new ideas and have some fun dreaming. Keep it
within reason and what makes real sense. Who knows? What you wish for
may come true.

This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"

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people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

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Is the IQ better ... some say yes ... but unfortunately there are
many "reviews" that say no. I assure you ..... I BELIEVE in the
Foveon technology .... but WISH the IQ was indeed so much better,
THERE WOULD BE NO "QUESTION" by independent reviewers.
Joe, I think this is a good point. The issue with the current SD14 is Foveon maintained the same crop factor and piled on more photosites. That is the wrong direction. As both Nikon and Canon have delivered full frame sensors - and it looks like the D3 is a huge step forward - for Sigma to claim IQ superiority seems quite silly. If Sigma is going to take the high ground in IQ - it is time that they step up to the plate with a bigger sensor. The sampling (4.5) is larger than the D3 or 5D right now so that fine but the photosites are too small.
In short, I am surprised that Sigma is selling any cameras at all.
The reviews are not good enough, and the "features" are getting more,
and more, non-competitive every day.
Sigma has a small but very vocal following. The Foveon concept was very promising - probably more promising on paper than the final implementation. I think a lot of the loyalist are holding on the to concept. I sure would like to see them succeed - that is the only reason I hang around - but I also think time is running out. Pretty soon you might see the medium format backs coming down in price so the difference between a high end DSLR and a medium format is about the same as it was in the film days. There is no way a DSLR sized sensor even a 135 format sensor can claim IQ superiority over a 36x48 sensor. IQ is directly proportional to real estate on the sensor - Sigma is living in the wrong neighborhood!

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  • faster processing
If possible.
  • high ISO noise reduction
Better noise characterisitcs of the sensor, but please, no in-camera noise/detail reduction
  • in-camera anti-shake
if possible
  • bigger buffer
definitely. The current cost of RAM means that a really big buffer is possible. Which current camera is it that takes 64 shots before the buffer fills?
  • faster memory
Make use of the full speed of faster memory cards
  • stronger battery
Not if it also means heavier. Reduce current consumption if possible.
  • sealed (water and dust) body
if possible, but not essential
  • auto focus
yes, but I'd rather have a better screen for manual focussing.
  • white balance
AIUI, thats down to SPP, but the ability to store and reuse your custom WB settings would be good.
O.K.
  • metal body
not if it makes the camera heavier
  • faster frame rate
Maybe, but a bigger buffer memory is more important
Higher resolution, and if you're going to bother with a video output, make it decent quality - HD? The current, poor quality, video output isn't worth the effort.
  • anything else
Fewer crashes, errors and faulty files

Live view option on the LCD/video in mirror-lock mode

Option on whether to save embedded Jpegs, RAW and Jpeg, or just pure RAW (effectively giving a bigger buffer).

Go back to the separate shutter speed control as per the SD9 and SD10.

Larger sensor, i.e. 1.5x, 1.3x or even full frame, with bigger pixels and less noise.

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Thanks,
Gary.
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
What if they decided to clean up the SD14 act? What should Sigma do?

Specifically, should they do anything about:
  • faster processing
Definitely. Processors have come a long way since they designed the SD14,
so a much faster one shouldn't cost much.
  • high ISO noise reduction
If it is doable. No such thing in SPP which runs on much better processors - this leaves less hope for the camera itself.
  • in-camera anti-shake
Probably useful.
  • bigger buffer
Easy enough - memory has become a lot cheaper since they first made the SD14. Preferably use ordinary replaceable laptop memory, so the owner can put in as much as he like. If you need series of 200 images, just get some gigs at a pc store...
  • faster memory
The memory is probably fast enough - it'd be nice to have faster writing to CF cards though. The parts in a nice card reader are cheap - put them in the next camera. I don't worry so much about camera-> computer speed, although having that faster would be nice too. But the camera should be able to write as fast as any CF card will go. Some currently do 40MB/s - less than a second per raw image. Shutter and mirror should be the bottleneck here - not the electronics.
  • stronger battery
Always nice but that'd be heavier. Perhaps a battery grip with two extra batteries of the same kind the camera uses.
  • auto focus
Definitely. I don't need many focus points - but I want the one I use to be a really good one. Make them so they take full advantage of the extra light and sharpness information in f/2.8 lenses. So many good sigma lenses are f/2.8

Helge Hafting
 
...how about doin' somethin' in da firmware, now?

Seriously, can any items from Laurence's list be addressed with
firmware upgrades (i.e.: buffer processing, ever-improving high ISO
noise reduction, etc.)?
That depends a lot on the hardware controlled by the firmware.
At the very least, you can have the processor do more/different

jobs with such an upgrade. If they can change the processor speed programmatically then you might get quite noticeable speed improvement at the price of much higher power consumption.

White balance is definitely doable. Any algorithm you can come up with can be implemented. The hard part is to come up with something that works better in all cases.

Auto focus improvement may be possible. The sensors won't improve of course, but you can change the algorithm for lens movement. You could perhaps get higher precision by allowing longer focus time. Or an overall improvement if the current focus algorithm isn't optimal. They could program a table with lens characteristics, allowing some lenses to focus faster. They could add a menu for a per-lens focus offset, so we could tune the autofocus ourselves.

High-iso noise reduction might be possible, but it might take lots of processing time. I believe canon uses a custom chip for this. A noise reduction algorithm would be much faster if they put it in SPP instead. The same goes for correction of lens distortion and CA.

Another nice (and simple) thing doable with firmware upgrades is in-camera center cropping. This could save lots of space on the CF card when all you want is that bird in the middle anyway.

Helge Hafting
 

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