Is it time for me to consider Pentax?

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I'm in the market for a DSLR, and have been looking into Olympus (E-510), Nikon (D80), and Canon (40D) brands, along with their lens family. To be honest, I have not considered Pentax.

Until now. The K20D has caught my attention. Considering its specs and most likely excellent IQ, I think I should do some research on Pentax cameras and lenses. (I know nothing about Pentax products)

So tell me, why should I consider Pentax? In your opinion, what strengths and advantages does Pentax have over the others? How does Pentax lenses stack up against the other brands, in terms of selection, IQ, and construction?

Thanks in advance!
 
So tell me, why should I consider Pentax? In your opinion, what
strengths and advantages does Pentax have over the others? How does
Pentax lenses stack up against the other brands, in terms of
selection, IQ, and construction?
Pentax, at one time, in the mid 60s, used to be the largest manufacture of SLR cameras. For most of their history, they have been innovators, and the others have played catch-up. However, they were late comers to the digital world.

They do not rush products to the market, but take the time to design them "right". The greatest strength of Pentax cameras today is their backward compatibility of EVERY 35mm lens they have ever produced. That includes M42 screw mount lenses, and every K-mount lens made by Pentax on the planet. Estimates are around 50,000,000 lenses available. That's a lot! In addition to being able to mount these lenses on todays cameras, they meter and expose correctly.

Another strength of Pentax is their prime lenses. They are among the very best made by anyone. Zooms, maybe not so much. They are competent lenses, but in general, nothing special. Their primes are special.

One weakness is the availablity of lenses in general, both new and used. That is changing, albeit slowly. Long glass is very difficult to find. Another weakness is that if your main interest is fast action sports, other manufactures are probably a better choice.

In summery, Pentax does all things well, maybe not the best at any one thing (except for the aforementioned backward lens compatibility), but on balance, it is a well-designed, competent camera.

Good luck with your decision. Remember, there are no "bad" dSLR cameras made today...by anyone. Difficult to go wrong these days.

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Steven, that was a coherent and balanced assessment which directly answered the OP's question. Are you sure you should be posting that sort of thing here?

Seriously, as a newcomer to the forum and having 2 months experience with my K10D I agree with the sentiment. I have been thrilled with the performance of my new camera was happy with the cost and look forward to enjoying some of the benefits of all of that lens compatibility. I considered the other brands and may have felt the same no matter which camera I had selected, but I can't help feeling as though I made the best of a set of good choices.



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OK well one of Pentax selling point is in body SR.

Olympus has it also. IMO its great and reduces camera shake with fairly noticeable results.
Nikon and Canon require lens based systems, and lenses are not cheap.

Another plus is Pentax do have an extensive range of Digital (DA series lenses). Some of them are very light.

Compare the lens costs to other brands. Of course if you think yiou'll never buy another lens other than the kit this may not be relevant.

Finally just give Pentax the same amount of time and research as you did for the other cameras. Their current K10D and K100D are pretty good cameras. The next 2 cameras are probably better but won't be released til March and May.

As a camera company they have a big long history, so its not like they are newcomers into the market.

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So tell me, why should I consider Pentax?
You should give some info on what things you're interested in taking photos of, and in what conditions. That will help people answer your questions a lot more specifically.

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BigBen08 wrote:

Another strength of Pentax is their prime lenses. They are among the
very best made by anyone.
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I have to agree about the fixed focal length lenses. If you can't afford a Leica rangefinder with Leitz or Zeiss lenses, and you like unobtrusive photography with excellent optics Pentax has the lenses for you. There are other good reasons for considering a Pentax system but to sum it up it is value.

Consider first what type of photography you're interested in. If you're a beginner and don't know consult books and web sites. If you still don't know what to buy, spend as little as possible and learn by doing. If you find you bought the wrong camera system change before you spend more.

When you're deciding which brand of camera to purchase consider those other than the big two. The rest of the manufacturers have a good selection of equipment for most, but not all purposes. Many times the smaller brands offer more value.

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So tell me, why should I consider Pentax?
You should give some info on what things you're interested in taking
photos of, and in what conditions. That will help people answer your
questions a lot more specifically.
This will be my first DSLR. This isn't a very good answer, but I plan on taking many different shots - landscape, street scenes (maybe low-light), family, and perhaps some sports. I want to get involved with many types of shooting.

As far as lenses are concerned, I'm interested in wide angle and telephoto up to 200mm. I'll probably buy prime and zoom lenses.

For example, Olympus offers 11-22 wide angle, 14-54, and 12-60. These 3 lenses interest me a lot. Also 50-200mm. That gives you an idea of what type of lenses I'm after.

Pentax prime lenses are highly praised, but their zoom lenses are considered good, but not excellent. (or so I have read. I have no hands-on experience) This concerns me a little. I figure the lens family of a brand is as important as the body.
I want to invest in the best quality lenses that I can afford.

Anyway, that gives you an idea of where I'm at.
 
Yes, it's Alcatraz, but what's so special about this shot? Sorry, but really... I don't mean anything agaisnt the guy who posted it before BTW.
 
Steven's (volosong's) reply is very good. Let me put it just a bit differently.

If you're starting from scratch, buying your first digital slr (perhaps your first slr of any kind), then you have a lot of choices. As far as I can tell, almost every dslr on the market today can take really good photos. So in one sense, you can't go wrong.

But that doesn't mean that the shopping is easy.

I think the main reason to buy Pentax right now is economic. Pentax cameras, especially since the release of the K100D and the K10D, are excellent photographic tools. They are not better than the best that Nikon and Canon have to offer, not in any definitive, objective way. 10,000 pro photographers using Canon and Nikon can't be completely wrong. But with Pentax, you get bodies that compare to Canon and Nikon products that cost much more. The K100D is cheaper than the Canon XTi and a better camera in nearly every way. The K10D has been compared very favorably to the Nikon D200, which sells presently for twice as much. The K20D looks like it's going to compare favorably, at least in many important respects (chiefly, image quality) to the new Nikon D300, which costs at least 50% more.

The same thing is true of lenses. Pentax users boast about the quality of the Pentax lenses, especially the primes. It's a fair boast. But if the boast is meant to imply that there aren't any good lenses for Nikon or Canon cameras, well, then the Pentax boast is simply wrong. I don't know a lot about Canon, but Nikon makes some terrific lenses. And Zeiss makes even better lenses. The Zeiss k-mount primes appear to be superior even to the Pentax primes; and Zeiss makes the same lenses in a Nikon mount, too.

It's at this point that I mention that Pentax cameras now have shake reduction built into the bodies. Now I'm a fan of shake reduction, a.k.a. vibration reduction, a.k.a. image stabilization. But Canon and Nikon cameras have it, too--it's just built into their lenses, rather than into the body. As far as I can tell, in-body shake reduction is no better than lens-based image stabilization and it may be that Canon and Nikon are right in claiming that lens-based IS is slightly better. But in-body shake reduction is MUCH MORE ECONOMICAL.

So if we're just talking about quality here, then either it's a draw, or Canon and Nikon win. The Nikon D3 looks like it's the best digital SLR ever made, hands down. I don't own one for a very simple reason: because it costs $5000, well, and because after I shelled out five grand for the camera, I'd have to spend another five grand to come close to matching the Pentax system I've got. The Zeiss lenses appear to be technically superior even to the great Pentax primes, but I don't own any Zeiss lenses because I can't afford them. No, that's not quite it. I could afford at least one--after all, I own a Pentax DA* 50-135 f/2.8 and it cost more than my camera. But at some point, I ask myself whether the superiority of the Zeiss lens is really worth paying double for, and I answer no. For the price of one Zeiss lens (costing say $800) I can buy a pair of excellent Pentax primes, and even the experts will be hard pressed to tell the difference in the photos. And the same goes for the camera bodies. I think I would have been just about as happy with a Nikon D200 as I am with the Pentax K10D. Except that, if I'd bought the D200, I would have a much smaller collection of lenses to work with--or I'd have the same types of lenses, but I would have cheap lenses, because my budget is finite.

SO, a Pentax system gives you equipment that's competitive with what you have available in Nikon and Canon systems, equipment that can produce truly great, brilliant photographs. And for comparable gear, the Pentax photographer will pay much less than the Canon or Nikon photographer.

The K10D is a terrific camera. The ergonomics are terrific, it's a joy to use. Compared to the Pentax K10D, the Canon Rebel XTi feels cheap, and the Nikon D40 feels and handles like a toy camera. If you make your decisions based primarily on financial considerations, then that's all you need to know: For under $1000, you will do much better with Pentax. If on the other hand you're also thinking about getting the BEST system, then the choice is much harder, because if you're willing to pay for quality, you can do great with Pentax, but you can as well or better with Canon and Nikon.

Two final points. In my opinion, the single biggest weakness of the Pentax system is the P-TTL flash. If you want to be a wedding photographer, for example, Pentax might not be the best platform, because flash is really important for wedding and event photographers and Nikon's flash system is clearly better than Pentax's.

The other point is that, if you think you might become a pro, there's a lot to be said for going with Nikon or Canon. The vast majority of the world's pros use Canon and Nikon cameras most of the time (when they're not using their Hasselblads and Leafs and such). If you're going to go pro with Pentax equipment, you have to get used to NOT being able to buy a lens on the spur of the moment from the local camera store, NOT having priority service available for pros, NOT being able to rent bodies and lenses easily, and you must be willing to be a bit of a maverick among your pro friends, most of whom will know very little about Pentax.
 
  • IQ is more or less the same on all current semi-pro DSLRs
  • pentax offers the widest feature set for the lowest price (hence its the "best" camera for the enthusiastic amateur who can/will not invest 2000-5000 for a camera)
  • both K200D/K20D are fully weather sealed (think of foggy, rainy days, dusty venues etc.)
  • image stab. in the body (sony and oly offer that too though); meaning that every lens is stabilized, even the old manual k-mount lens from 1974...
  • huge lens base (old manual K-mounts work just fine)
  • partnership with the electronics giant samsung leads to synergies (as we already see in the new sensor)
only real downside: pentax gear isn't as readily available anywhere compared to canikon due to less market penetration. this means longer waiting times when ordering lenses etc., more mail-order than going to bricks-and-mortar places. OTOH, samsung gear should 99% compatible.

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As far as lenses are concerned, I'm interested in wide angle and
telephoto up to 200mm. I'll probably buy prime and zoom lenses.

For example, Olympus offers 11-22 wide angle, 14-54, and 12-60.
These 3 lenses interest me a lot. Also 50-200mm. That gives you an
idea of what type of lenses I'm after.
I personally decided not to go with Olympus. I know that they've made some excellent cameras. But I wouldn't buy an Olympus dslr. Remember, unless you are thinking of buying just one body and a few lenses and keeping 'em all for years, then pretty near the whole point of the dslr idea is that you're buying a PLATFORM, not a camera.

The four-thirds system was innovative and must have seemed like a great idea at the time. But the idea isn't catching on. In fact, the rest of the world is trying to make the sensors BIGGER, not smaller. You have to be a bit of a maverick to buy into Pentax. But you really have to be an independent thinker--or someone who just doesn't care--to pick Olympus. And keep in mind that the 11-22 isn't really THAT wide on an Olympus system. The crop factor is 2x, so that's a 22-42mm lens on a film slr, roughly equivalent to an 18-35mm lens on a Pentax K10D with its 1.5x crop factor. I'm not saying that YOU should not buy an Olympus. I have a friend who just got one and likes it very much (the E-510, I think). I personally have high hopes for the Olympus SP-570 fixed-lens superzoom (20x!) which is scheduled for release later this year.

I feel the same way about Sigma. The Foveon sensor LOOKS like it ought to be better. But it's not catching on either.

I don't know anything about Sony except that I like my television set.
 
I'm in the market for a DSLR, and have been looking into Olympus
(E-510), Nikon (D80), and Canon (40D) brands, along with their lens
family. To be honest, I have not considered Pentax.

Until now. The K20D has caught my attention. Considering its specs
and most likely excellent IQ, I think I should do some research on
Pentax cameras and lenses. (I know nothing about Pentax products)

So tell me, why should I consider Pentax? In your opinion, what
strengths and advantages does Pentax have over the others? How does
Pentax lenses stack up against the other brands, in terms of
selection, IQ, and construction?
The best reason I can come up with is that I use Pentax too, and I hate to see Pentax stop making cameras so with one more support, Pentax might be in a little better shape, maybe? :)

Seriously, AF tracking, low light AF, P-TTL flash and zooms are the biggest Pentax weakness for years. If they did rework the mold, one of the bottom corners will crack itself too like the K10D. But there are some fine quality about the Pentax system, like some finely made LIMITED lenses, 0.95x pentaprism viewfinder, well placed 9 + AF points, hyper modes etc. The DA16-45/4ED can deliver the same image quality as the EF17-40/4L but at 1/2 the price too (assuming you ddn't get a lemon). DA10-17 fisheye, DA12-24/4 & DA*50-135/2.8 are not bad either if not the best. What I mean is, Pentax doesn't do anything particular well, just some affordable balanced products. If you won't be shooting sports or anything similar, Pentax is fine. And you got the benefit of being less attractive to pickpocket too, I presume? :)
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Your answers really help. Guess I'll have to hold the K20D and see how I like it. Thanks for the lens recommendations. I'll visit Pentax's web site and research their lens family. Who knows, maybe there will be a Pentax in my future!
 
The four-thirds system was innovative and must have seemed like a
great idea at the time. But the idea isn't catching on.
You're kidding, right? Do you make this stuff up as you go along? Look guy, I'm a user of many different cameras (see profile), and I can tell you right now that the 4/3 systems are flying off the shelves and the community has grown by leaps and bounds. Granted, folks tend to staunchly defend their brands (especially when something appears as an affront to their ego's), but I tend to use a variety of brands and I'm certainly no fanboy. But the one thing that has surprised many a naysayer (from other brands) is that the 4/3 system is growing by leaps and bounds.

In fact, there are many dual or triple system owners who have now come into the 4/3 fold. And it's funny - when Olympus first came out with features like the Dust Buster, Internal Pixel Mapping, and then Live View...they were all shot down as being gimmicks. Well, something funny has happened on the way to the forums (pun iintended), and that is everybody else is now copying these very same features. The fact is that Olympus is an innovator and will continue to do so.

Now in reference to the new Pentax releases, they look wonderful. All brands have wonderful cameras and once somebody get's a foothold into the system, they are sold.

Ya gotta love it.

As always - good shooting....

Ben

 
I definitely think you should consider Pentax as a contender in the dSLR market. They make a fine product and the prime lenses are legendary. You really need to go and hold each camera you are interested in and see which one fits you the best...for me the K10D and battery grip felt better than the 30D, D200, and the A100.

Are there things each does better? Yep. But each dSLR today is capable of good results.

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Your answers really help. Guess I'll have to hold the K20D and see
how I like it. Thanks for the lens recommendations. I'll visit
Pentax's web site and research their lens family. Who knows, maybe
there will be a Pentax in my future!
If you want to get a feel for how a K20D handles, pick up a K10D - the bodies are externally identical barring the slightly larger LCD on the K20D.

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Good luck with the search. Go for the model that best suits your hand, need, budget (take the models out to play if the dealer will allow it! :-)). Pentax will hold its own, or win you over totally featurewise. Thinking of all the lenses for Nikon or Ca... makes me dizzy. The lens selection for Pentax is growing, with more on the way.
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Given all the wailing and gnashing of teeth because the K20 doesn't offer every feature imaginable for less than entry price, you'd think that buying Pentax would be the worst possible move.

However, since you're looking at this rationally, I'd say it's a great time. I'd start with the K10D since it's an absolute steal for $650 right now. Learn it and use it for a year, then switch to the K20D.

Be aware that if you demand the absolute highest frame rate, or largest buffer, you'll be disappointed. However, 90% of the people here take pictures despite those "limitations". I think you'll find that Pentax is one of the best values out today.
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