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PMA is almost here, the 5D is rebated to death and probably not made any longer, and the best we get is a new Digital Rebel.

Talk about a let down!
 
For what it´s worth!

PMA has not yet even started and so many seem to sigh?
For those that are not aware PMA isn´t starting until January 31´st.

Only minor aka prosumer releases like the 450D are beeing released this early.
The major releases if there is any are made on the PMA itself
(or immediately ie. 1-2 days before it´s start) !

Just my 1 cent ... as a former marketing strategist.
 
They also announced officially the market intro of the 800/5.6 and 200/2 - certainly not consumer items. That announcement was it... and it is consistent with Canon in the past where they lead with the entry level consumer camera and later in the year come in with the mid range. Canon has a history of higher megapixels initially in the entry level body than the middle level and prosumer and sometimes even the workhorse pro body.
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EJP
 
E.J. said:
They also announced officially the market intro of the 800/5.6 and
200/2 - certainly not consumer items. That announcement was it...
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EJP
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We´ll see what happens next week.
You might be even right!

It could be that Canon isn´t yet ready to release a 16 MP 5D Mark II in order not to discourage the Pro´s from getting two 1Ds Mark III´s instead of a 1 Ds Mark III + a backup 5D Mark II. For this reason: If Canon is going to install a 16 MP chip on the 5D Mark II it won´t be released (in my opinion either) until after the summer.

On the other hand if Canon is going to release a new FF dslr with 12 MP´s (!) the timing would be the best possible right now on the PMA! It would be a real marketing bomb for many reasons, because even if the 12 MP FF dslr would be an exact copy of the 1Ds apart from the MP´s it would in no way discourage the Pros´s from getting 1-2 of the 1Ds Mark III´s as ... 21 MP´s is 21 MP´s and 12 MP´s is 12 MP´s no matter what, but a dslr like that would trash the glamour of the other 12 or so MP FF´s. The perfect name for that would be D3 or should I say 3D ;-) Of course it would cost the same as the 1D Mark III, but even at that price point it would be a real killer strategy!

Yo do mention the EF 800/5.6 and EF 200/2 lenses, but in all fairness they are not NEW news. Canon said already in last ye4ar that they would release them in the near future. That´s why they are "released" this early before the PMA.

Everybody knew that already. ... but a EF 800/5.6 do puzzle me! Why on earth is a lens like this released? Who is it for? Rich sheiks and news agencies with loose cash? I do find it very hard to believe that people buying the 800 would be working pro´s themselves - it´s seems solely a hoax to to get news agencys and gadget crazy people with loose cash to spend more money as a 800/5.6 is basically made up from a EF 500 with a 1.4x permanently installed in it with a little extra pieces from a EF 2x and a bigger front lens to gather just a tiny bit of more light, and that´s all. Any real pro would IMHO prefer a more versatile combination of a EF 500 F4 together with a teleconverter set, ie. if the pro is using his/hers own hard earned money ;-)

As you see I have a lot of time to spend speculating before my computer today, but that´s only because I have a fewer and cant´t go to work or even out and take some pictures 8-)
 
maybe
but the fat lady has not sing yet.

450d
then new unaffordable lens

wait

patience and ignorance is bliss.

oh dun buy first batch of whatever coming out.
 
so what's the problem? If Canon is happy to keep discounting the 5D then I'm sure people will be happy to keep buying them.
 
Pinetree said:
For what it´s worth!

PMA has not yet even started and so many seem to sigh?
For those that are not aware PMA isn´t starting until January 31´st.

Only minor aka prosumer releases like the 450D are beeing released
this early.
The major releases if there is any are made on the PMA itself
(or immediately ie. 1-2 days before it´s start) !

Just my 1 cent ... as a former marketing strategist.
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spt_gb said:
so what's the problem? If Canon is happy to keep discounting the 5D
then I'm sure people will be happy to keep buying them.
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If you had ever read any of my posts, (and maybe you have but you comprehension is limited) I use strictly digital gear for weddings a portraiture and MF and LF film for landscape.

Might I suggest that if you want to slag someone, you first get your facts straight.

Thanks,
 
Photokina is historically more important than PMA. they're not going to shoot all their bullets at PMA. if they launch a 5D mk II at PMA, they won't have much for photokina (unless a 7D or a 3D comes along, though i very much doubt a 3D happens as long as the 5D line remains about where it is).

the 5D is in a class by itself right now. nothing really competes with it as the D300 addresses a different need. so canon can happily sit on it without cannibalizing sales of the 1Ds. further, the longer the camera remains on the market the lower canon's per unit cost on it.
 
... use a grammar & spell checker be for you click "post." ;-D
Dave Luttmann said:
spt_gb said:
so what's the problem? If Canon is happy to keep discounting the 5D
then I'm sure people will be happy to keep buying them.
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If you had ever read any of my posts, (and maybe you have but you
comprehension is limited) I use strictly digital gear for weddings a
portraiture and MF and LF film for landscape.

Might I suggest that if you want to slag someone, you first get your
facts straight.

Thanks,
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
you are running out of M pixels for weddings and portraits? Again, what's the problem? I can perfectly well read your profile equipment list and you don't seem to have seen the need for anything more than a 40D and a 1DmkII. Why is a theoretical 5DmkII so vital to you?
Dave Luttmann said:
spt_gb said:
so what's the problem? If Canon is happy to keep discounting the 5D
then I'm sure people will be happy to keep buying them.
Click to expand...
If you had ever read any of my posts, (and maybe you have but you
comprehension is limited) I use strictly digital gear for weddings a
portraiture and MF and LF film for landscape.

Might I suggest that if you want to slag someone, you first get your
facts straight.

Thanks,
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... and "be for" is spelled "before" - if you're going to call someone out, be sure of your own post :)
 
spt_gb said:
you are running out of M pixels for weddings and portraits? Again,
what's the problem? I can perfectly well read your profile equipment
list and you don't seem to have seen the need for anything more than
a 40D and a 1DmkII. Why is a theoretical 5DmkII so vital to you?
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Better resolution for photographs of large groups that will be printed to 16x24 or 20x30. At present, a 40D nor 5D are really sufficient.

As an aside, I recently sold off the 1Ds Mk2 I had, not because of resolution for photographing large groups, but because I was not impressed with the tonality in the shadows and upper mid range…..especially when converting to B&W.

A 5D Mk2 at 17mp and 14bit processing may be better. I say this because I like the tonality from the 40D over the 5D or 1Ds Mk2.

That is why I said….. “Is that it?” A Rebel and 2 point and shoots does not really inspire me.
spt_gb said:
Dave Luttmann said:
spt_gb said:
so what's the problem? If Canon is happy to keep discounting the 5D
then I'm sure people will be happy to keep buying them.
Click to expand...
If you had ever read any of my posts, (and maybe you have but you
comprehension is limited) I use strictly digital gear for weddings a
portraiture and MF and LF film for landscape.

Might I suggest that if you want to slag someone, you first get your
facts straight.

Thanks,
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.....although, do we need another printer that use dye based inks that fade in a few years?
 
I'm one of the hyperists that really slobbers in all the new stuff and when new models arrive and now I’m even debating on it!

What seems to strike me everything a new model hits the market people are always tormenting e.g now the current 5D, “Why, What – no new model, what are they thinking”, I mean, give it some thought, regardless what ever they put out there, it will never make the camera you already own worse, it will still be the same for better or worse.

I’m a happy owner of a….drum roll please, Canon 10D and it still produces just as good quality as when I bought it, no new model can take that away from it – it is what it is.

BUT! Are you a potential buy of a new cam then I would understand that - if your heart was set on the 5D MARK II, you might feel weird, that a far less expensive model hits the 12Mp range = the 5D. I’m pretty sure many will agree with me that, that is pretty much the only thing they have in common. Even with the new 450D I’m pretty sure the current 5D will blow it away in image quality so what are you really debating about!

Get my point?

I’m moving for the 5D MARK II as a current 10D owner, I would like to have this announced during PMA08 but I have no trouble in waiting until autumn, I’ll just continue shooting overall good quality photos with my 10D and if I really want to give it a run for the money, I pull out my Hasselblad 501 C/M.

Regards, Mike
 
I'm one of the hyperists that really slobbers in all the new stuff and when new models arrive and now I’m even debating on it!

What seems to strike me everything a new model hits the market people are always tormenting e.g now the current 5D, “Why, What – no new model, what are they thinking”, I mean, give it some thought, regardless what ever they put out there, it will never make the camera you already own worse, it will still be the same for better or worse.

I’m a happy owner of a….drum roll please, Canon 10D and it still produces just as good quality as when I bought it, no new model can take that away from it – it is what it is.

BUT! Are you a potential buy of a new cam then I would understand that - if your heart was set on the 5D MARK II, you might feel weird, that a far less expensive model hits the 12Mp range = the 5D. I’m pretty sure many will agree with me that, that is pretty much the only thing they have in common. Even with the new 450D I’m pretty sure the current 5D will blow it away in image quality so what are you really debating about!

Get my point?

I’m moving for the 5D MARK II as a current 10D owner, I would like to have this announced during PMA08 but I have no trouble in waiting until autumn, I’ll just continue shooting overall good quality photos with my 10D and if I really want to give it a run for the money, I pull out my Hasselblad 501 C/M.

Regards, Mike
 
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