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auksnapper said:
Ken_5D said:
nbercasio said:
Agree and disagree? If this is the make or break year for Sony DSLR
dept then they really need to make their lens affordable especially
for the new users that they are trying reach or else Sony won't be
able to compete against Nikon and Canon when it comes to prices and
selections.

I believe the price is a big turn off. I read that Calumet in UK is
selling their Sony lenses half price then not carry it anymore since
THEY ARE HAVING a hard time selling them.

We should send a message to Sony.
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Given the pricing the A200 is coming in at the UK.. I think Calmut
just gave a gift to some Sony users. It looks to me that they are
ready to make a more global challenge after basically doing some
market testing in a few markets and giving minor allocations to some
regions.

Also I bet Calmut could have sold more lenses with a much less
drastic discount, they seem to have done an all or nothing decision.
Full price or blood bath? How stupid is that.

In the US some lenses too much others are reasonable. I think you
will find this has to do with how many they can sell of each version.
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
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Ken,

Have a read of some of DK's recent postings about how Sony protects
their prices? If so you will see that Calumet appear to have been in
a Catch 22 position. They were not allowed to discount prices! Sony
sets the prices NOT the market, if you break their rules they suspend
your supplies.
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Do you know if Nikon and Canon control prices in a similar manner? Seems shady to me but maybe that is the way it is done. Groceries stores in the USA are almost criminal the way suppliers have to pay for better shelf space.
auksnapper said:
It appears that the greatly overpriced Sony lenses just were not
selling (what a surprise) & so Calumet decided to bail out & dump
their lenses, knowing what the consequences of their action will be.
This just shows how out if touch Sony is with the market & how their
restricted & highly questioned actions are stifling the growth of the
A mount.
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fjbyrne
 
fjbyrne said:
fjbyrne said:
Ken,

Have a read of some of DK's recent postings about how Sony protects
their prices? If so you will see that Calumet appear to have been in
a Catch 22 position. They were not allowed to discount prices! Sony
sets the prices NOT the market, if you break their rules they suspend
your supplies.
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Do you know if Nikon and Canon control prices in a similar manner?
Seems shady to me but maybe that is the way it is done. Groceries
stores in the USA are almost criminal the way suppliers have to pay
for better shelf space.
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Not that I'm aware of, but people with better knowledge like DK may shed more light on this.
fjbyrne said:
fjbyrne said:
It appears that the greatly overpriced Sony lenses just were not
selling (what a surprise) & so Calumet decided to bail out & dump
their lenses, knowing what the consequences of their action will be.
This just shows how out if touch Sony is with the market & how their
restricted & highly questioned actions are stifling the growth of the
A mount.
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fjbyrne
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fjbyrne said:
I agree. Zooms appear to be the future and primes will be relegated
to specialty lenses.
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Which is sad, because I doubt we'll see a 1.7 zoom for $100 anytime soon (read: EVER). And nothing gives a DSLR more of its "WOW" factor over P&S's than shallow DOF. (Bounce flash is a close second)

Put THAT on the demo model in the store and you'd get a flock of buyers, in my opinion.

So next, the entry level buyers will demand fingertip power zoom control same as their P&S's, right? Oy vey, the XI lenses will rise from the dead! ;-)

Greg
 
which lenses are too high compaired to the canikon?? Give us some numbers, not just "Sonys lenses are too expensive". If I was a new DSLR buyer, I could buy the 18-70, 75-300, 18-200, and the 50 for equal to or LESS than canikon here in the states. That's more than a person new to the market would need for some time. Everyone jumps on the high end lenses, and yes, they are higher, but the "normal folk" lenses are just not that out of line.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/TKevan/
 
Philip Young said:
OK, then lower the price of all new Rolls Royces down to $5,000.00
per car and every person in China and India can afford one. Just
think, Rolls will the be the No. 1 seller of cars in the world. Gee,
I wonder why the CEO's at Rolls didn't think of that? Maybe you
should run Sony and Rolls and they'll all become No. 1.
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Frankly RR is in the same class as a Hummer IMHO, folks drive them to compensate for something they lack within themselves and their bank account fulfills their ego and strokes their vanity.

If buying "things" with high sticker prices makes you happy go for it. I've got ten acres would you like to pay me say one million per acre I'll sell my farm to you??? ;-)
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Paul Cassidy
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nbercasio said:
"The outcome of 2008 will 'possibly' decide whether there is a future
for Sony DSLRs, says senior marketing manager Tokihiko Matsuda."

"The main objective to Sony marketing now is attracting 'fresh'
buyers, Matsuda says."

"Target is set at 10 per cent overall DSLR market share - in Japan
and in toher markets as well."

Don't get me wrong, I love my A700 and my collection of lenses. I
started this discussion because there is no way Sony will meet their
goals above if they continue to price their lenses way above their
closest competitor Canon and Nikon. In addition, Pentax just cut the
prices of their lenses.
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I was looking Pentax and heard the rumors even though the K10D looked really nice at first. Afraid they might not be around. That is what one store owner said.
nbercasio said:
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My 2007 Sony Alpha Showcase
http://www.bercasio.com/photos/2007/Showcase/
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Janet - art is life
 
EvilOne said:
then get an other camera where the lenses are cheaper...
if you cant afford Sony there are alternatives.. No Sony doesn't need
to lower their prices... if you think they are out of line, then
teach them a lesson and go to another camera... that will show
them...Maybe General motors should lower the prices on all their
cars, they are way too expensive too..
Capturing memories
Bill
USA
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Hmmm I thought GM had done that already with 0% financing :D Truth be told, if Sony doesn't change, they are in serious trouble, and that is the bottom line. Lens cost 2x on average of other manufacturers is NOT only stupid, it is deadly. Makes ya wonder whatever happened to the old slogan "All lenses are no stabilized so you don't have to but expensive lenses!" LOL Uhhh yeah.....
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John De Bord Photography
Showcasing the Images of Colorado using the Mind of Minolta

website: http://jdebordphoto.com
deviantArt: http://kkart.deviantart.com
 
TKevan said:
which lenses are too high compaired to the canikon?? Give us some
numbers, not just "Sonys lenses are too expensive". If I was a new
DSLR buyer, I could buy the 18-70, 75-300, 18-200, and the 50 for
equal to or LESS than canikon here in the states. That's more than a
person new to the market would need for some time. Everyone jumps on
the high end lenses, and yes, they are higher, but the "normal folk"
lenses are just not that out of line.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/TKevan/
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I need to update it, but this is street uk prices:

No need to use words on this one..



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Clint is on holiday! Soon to return! ;-)
 
Barry,

The US prices are significantly different. For example, the 100 2.8 is $580, where you have it listed as 550 pounds. Same for the 20 2.8, $520 vs 540 pounds. Both these, as well as many others, are very competitive in the US. I guess that's why we don't share the feeling of the over priced lenses that the UK folks do.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/TKevan/
 
I agree. Before Christmas I bought a 20mm f2.8 lens from Sony. Cost me $520 and it's a great lens. I'm having a great time with it. Can't say that I've ever used any others (from Canon, Nikon, etc), but I believe I paid a fair price for this lens and, barring any unforeseen accidents, I expect to get many years of use out of this lens. From my perspective in the US, Sony is offering a quality product at a reasonable price. Where you are in the UK may be a different story.
 
TKevan said:
Barry,
The US prices are significantly different. For example, the 100 2.8
is $580, where you have it listed as 550 pounds. Same for the 20
2.8, $520 vs 540 pounds. Both these, as well as many others, are
very competitive in the US. I guess that's why we don't share the
feeling of the over priced lenses that the UK folks do.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/TKevan/
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Well I will let USA buyers fill in the blanks on that, you have a far better idea on prices than I do!

As for the UK, its not good, as can be seen. Its not good on all makers blow for blow, esp when you know £sterling is almost worth double the dollar, nothing new here!

Though add europe as a whole to the mix, with some variations..some places, Ireland is esp bad on prices, worse than the UK (higher VAT rate is part of it, but only part), sweden is just damn expensive on everything, Germany tends to be somewhat better overall..to a point. Trend is still not so good euro wise.

And thats a big chunk of the market, no offence to USA folks, but its not really a good idea for sony to just worry about that side of the water, this is a global area..dump on euro land, and you lose half your market straight away.

However not great it is in general UK price wise, its still better with C&N, and that says something too.

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Clint is on holiday! Soon to return! ;-)
 
TKevan said:
Barry,
Sony looks at US as #1 market, China as #2. UK is probably 4th or 5th.
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I am talking about Europe as a whole, and it accounted for a larger % of of SLR sales last year than the USA, that is the main market..sorry to say!

2nd point, minolta had a pretty strong following in the UK, had being the word!
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Clint is on holiday! Soon to return! ;-)
 
Well said, Dennis !

I was at a 40th b-day party this past Friday where a young'un (20-something) say me with my 7D and said he just bought a Sony A100 & kit lens ... and he'd love to get a Carl Zeiss lens but "they're $1400 and I don't know which one I want yet". This kid is a blue collar apprentice.

That doesn't mean anything, but it's more than the OP has given us to go on.
  • Dennis
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nbercasio said:
that's why I put the millionaires in quotes... it was meant to be a
joke.... if you compare the list of your lenses to Canon and Nikon,
Sony is 100-300 dollars more....

Hey, don't get my beef in a wrong way. I am just trying to help Sony
achieve their goal.
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Hey - they should hire you ... I bet "nobody" at Sony thought of lowering prices to increase market share ! (Notice I used quotes - it's meant to be a joke ;)
  • Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com
 
jmknights said:
Too expensive...and they have the market cornered. Try to buy a
70-200G can you believe $1,999 price tag and that's the same price
everywhere if you are a Sony authorized dealer, never on sale! Most
consumer products have a life cycle and with that prices that change,
but not Sony lenses.
I see Tamron's is selling one for about 1/2 the price, probably half
the quality too.
Jim in VT
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So when Sony finally stops making the legendary 70-200 f2.8 G lens, which is of the highest handbuilt quality with genuine Minolta glass and replaces it with a cheaper build, lower priced lens, will you complain about the build, or just be happy with the price you paid for it?
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Glassman
 
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