It's about druthers . . .

had their voices and input for what's important...
For me...I want one in bright orange or zebra with bright yellow or
fluorescent pink body...so that everyone would know I am taking
pictures with the Sigma, so the popular culture and brand snob don't
have to strain their eyes to see what I am shooting with...this way
they can sneer/snub by the colors I have and have their insult lines
out spontanously...hehe...save a lot of time that way...:)
On a more serious note, I thought of you when I said "live view". For
us IR and macro fans, it's just so incredible a feature.
Thank you Joe...how are you doing btw?
Actually, pretty well. Winning the fight against the depression, Chris is back up and about, and I'm getting a more normal amount of shooting time in.

How about you?

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Normally, a signature this small can't open its own jumpgate.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Hi Laurence

Would love to see:

Writing to CF card accelerated
Battery life improved

Minor irritants, but irritants nonetheless.

Software - Would like to be able to keep the colours, saturation and exposure first seen when images are loaded in SPP. They always look all but perfect compared with the image I am finally presented with.

Rgds

JK
 
Peter,

Sigma has the smallest sensor -
claiming it has the best image quality - BS. When it comes to image
quality - sensor size matters. It always has, it always will.
I have a gig to shoot this weekend. I scouted out the location where I'll be shooting the runway segment of a bridal fair. The lighting seems to be consistent and not mixed. I am leaving the Canon 5D at home and using the SD14 instead. I'll be shooting with the SD14 with the 50-150mm and the Nikon D3 covering the range below 50mm.

The color and resolution of the SD14 out of camera has been looking better than comparable 5D shots (in good light). Even though that is a slight difference, the big one is the "3D" feel that others have mentioned when talking about the images the foveon sensor creates. Both cameras produce sharp images, but that slight difference has been noticed not just by me.

I shot a wedding a couple weeks ago and the majority of the photos the bride selected from the comps to go to prints were from the SD14. I was using it and the 50-150mm 2.8 simultaneously with the 5D with the 70-200 2.8 L. Pretty much the same focal overlap given the 1.7 crop of the SD14 using the 50-150. I was slinging back and forth with them as fast as I could to try and catch the same angles and lighting with both bodies (within reason and not missing important moments).

If lighting was low I'd opt for the 5D because I can confidently shoot with 800 ISO on the 5D and fear not, whereas the SD14 would fall apart in the shadows at 800 ISO. But with the good lighting... the SD14 wins with the 3D feel of the images and brilliant true colors.

For beach shoots at sunset (a favorite of tourists where I live) .... the SD14 has been amazing.

It does have it's shortfalls over other cameras, but the quirks are worth it (in my opinion).

Cameras are tools to me. I'm constantly having other photographers at events approach me to ask... "what are you shooting with?". Many of them have never heard of the SD14... and to be fair, neither had I until about 6 months ago.

I'm glad I took the chance on it and took the plunge 5 months ago. It has really made a difference in my work.

Michael James
DigitalCoastImage.com
 
It doesn't need to be e-paper (which acts badly in cold weather).
Most camera manufacturers use a low multiplexed top LCD, which means
you can hold the display running with very little power, just like an
LCD wrist watch. Nikon has been doing that since their very first
film cameras with top panel LCDs.

They turn off some parts of the display, just so that the camera has
a definite "on" and "off" state. But they leave a lot of information
displayed, especially frames remaining on the card and shooting mode.
Their philosophy is, if the information would have been available on
a fully mechanical camera, make sure it's on the LCD when the camera
is off.
The SD-14 does keep this display on all the time - I've left it on for quite a long time with no appreciable drain on the battery. It just would be nice to have the current info even without powering it on, and also I think would be somewhat easier to read than an LCD from what I have seen of displays.

I didn't know it performed poorly in cold though, that would pretty much end that idea.
They need to do it the way a raw processing program does: show the
JPEG preview image immediately, and start decoding the raw in the
background. Switch over when the raw is completely decoded.
I find that kind of annoying as a user though. I'd rather know when I'm really looking at the final version by it being more obvious. Like I said, the SD-10 worked perfectly in this regard, with really about the same delay as the current camera has reviewing the JPG. And going to the image later in editing I felt I had an accurate assesment of the detail in a shot, whereas with the SD-14 JPG sometimes I feel like a shot might have ended up a little soft, but actually the shot is fine.
You really have to prevent heat getting to the sensor. The biggest
heat sources in the camera are the main processor and the backlights
for the LCD. The sensor draws 50mW, the LCD backlight on a modern 3
inch LCD draws between 1 and 3W.
Agree that would be good as well, but if you're going to be powering an EVF or have any kind of preview or movie mode it seems like you'd have to also start thinking about the sensor heat.
What I do NOT need is an EVF. Not yet anyway, perhaps in ten years.
Trust me, you need it, now.
Used 'em. Not Ready. Resolution is still too poor compared to a real viewfinder. I like the concept but it just doesn't work for me yet.

Now a review mode that flips up the mirror and lets you use a realtime image for review before you take the shot - yes, that would be quite useful today.

--
---> Kendall
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http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
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This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"
Actually, that's Canon's motto.
Joe,

This took a me while (all of three secs or so) to figger out when I saw it here, but it's not the Canon motto. That's what Bob the Builder's mates - Roley, Muck et al - say.

I hope I did not spoil anything for Laurence by this disclosure.

Cheers,

-Topi Kuusinen, Finland
 
1) I'd like to have as an option, that the camera not ever go to
sleep (always ready to take a picture instantly when the power switch
is on).
This helps a lot to learn all the options your SD14 has :D
Just turn it off in the menu!!
Thought you where beta tester and you never tried all the functions....!
--
Wanneer de lage lucht vlak over het water scheert
Wanneer de lage lucht ons nederigheid leert
Wanneer de lage lucht er grijs als leisteen is
Wanneer de lage lucht er vaal als keileem is
Wanneer de noordenwind de vlakte vierendeelt
Wanneer de noordenwind er onze adem steelt
Dan kraakt mijn land, mijn vlakke land
J. Brel
 
page 115 has the power off options...

I've had no problem just letting it going into low-power mode. Just press the shutter down half way... it jumps to life, focuses and then press all the way down to take the shot.

Michael James
DigitalCoastImage.com
 
This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"
Actually, that's Canon's motto.
Joe,

This took a me while (all of three secs or so) to figger out when I
saw it here, but it's not the Canon motto. That's what Bob the
Builder's mates - Roley, Muck et al - say.
Actually, I forgot a part of the explanation. The saying quoted by Laurence is always preceded by "Can we fix it?".

Or is it all too obvious now?

Cheers,

-Topi Kuusinen, Finland
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
What if they decided to clean up the SD14 act? What should Sigma do?

Specifically, should they do anything about:
  • faster processing
  • high ISO noise reduction
  • in-camera anti-shake
  • bigger buffer
  • faster memory
  • stronger battery
  • sealed (water and dust) body
  • auto focus
  • white balance
  • shutter
  • metal body
  • faster frame rate
  • the LCD
  • anything else
I don't feel it is unreasonable to expect virtually ALL of these features to at least match the then current competition.

I also don't feel it unreasonable to expect at least SOME of the above features to surpass the current competition.

It is quite usual for newer cameras to "leapfrog" each other in new-features, and speed, (ISO, AF, frame-rate, buffer, processing time, etc).

By new-features, I mean things like Live-view, multiple-exposure, in-camera stabilization, dust-cleaning, selectable DR, etc. All of these started as a "new-feature" on ONE camera ... (as a "leap-frog") ... and then became, (or is becoming), adopted by everyone else.

When the SD14 came out, even the MPX increase was not as big a jump as expected. It is still argued by many that it did not even match the 10mpx competition. So it could be argued that it did NOT even match the existing competition at the time it was released, let alone the FUTURE.

Is the IQ better ... some say yes ... but unfortunately there are many "reviews" that say no. I assure you ..... I BELIEVE in the Foveon technology .... but WISH the IQ was indeed so much better, THERE WOULD BE NO "QUESTION" by independent reviewers.

Right now it is very difficult to "recommend" the camera to anyone; (but I have recommended it for SPECIFIC uses).

I at one time felt it was the best "value" for the money .... but I can't even say that anymore.

In short, I am surprised that Sigma is selling any cameras at all. The reviews are not good enough, and the "features" are getting more, and more, non-competitive every day.

I am afraid it will be another 2 years before a SD14 replacement is announced; (and add another 1 or 2 years before "shipping" if history is followed).
It may sound strange to newbies, but Sigma really do seem to listen
to what is said and read this forum on occasion. Why not give them
our collective shopping list?

So pick a topic or two, tell them what you would like changed and
why, come up with new ideas and have some fun dreaming. Keep it
within reason and what makes real sense. Who knows? What you wish for
may come true.

This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"

--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed
people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
What if they decided to clean up the SD14 act? What should Sigma do?

Specifically, should they do anything about:
  • faster processing
  • high ISO noise reduction
  • in-camera anti-shake
  • bigger buffer
  • faster memory
  • stronger battery
  • sealed (water and dust) body
  • auto focus
  • white balance
  • shutter
  • metal body
  • faster frame rate
  • the LCD
  • anything else
I don't feel it is unreasonable to expect virtually ALL of these
features to at least match the then current competition, when released.

I also don't feel it unreasonable to expect at least SOME of the
above features to surpass the then current competition.

It is usual for newer cameras to "leapfrog" each other in MPX and offering
new-features, and speed, (ISO, AF, frame-rate, buffer, processing
time, etc).

By new-features, I mean things like Live-view, multiple-exposure,
in-camera stabilization, dust-cleaning, selectable DR, etc. All of
these started as a "new-feature" on ONE camera ... (as a "leap-frog")
... and then became, (or is becoming), adopted by everyone else.

When the SD14 came out, even the MPX increase was not as big a jump
as expected. It is still argued by many that it did not even match
the 10mpx competition. So it could be argued that it did NOT even
match the existing competition at the time it was released, let alone

the FUTURE. (For better or worse, the rumor is Sony, Pentax/Samsung are soon -PMA- releasing 14mpx, at a price probably lower than SD-14.)

Is the IQ better ... some say yes ... but unfortunately there are
many "reviews" that say no. I assure you ..... I BELIEVE in the
Foveon technology .... but WISH the IQ was indeed so much better,
THERE WOULD BE NO "QUESTION" by independent reviewers.

Right now it is very difficult to "recommend" the camera to anyone;
(but I have recommended it for SPECIFIC uses).

I at one time felt it was the best "value" for the money .... but I
can't even say that anymore.

In short, I am surprised that Sigma is selling any cameras at all.
The reviews are not good enough, and the "features" are getting more,
and more, non-competitive every day.

I am afraid it will be another 2 years before a SD14 replacement is
announced; (and add another 1 or 2 years before "shipping" if
history is followed).
It may sound strange to newbies, but Sigma really do seem to listen
to what is said and read this forum on occasion. Why not give them
our collective shopping list?

So pick a topic or two, tell them what you would like changed and
why, come up with new ideas and have some fun dreaming. Keep it
within reason and what makes real sense. Who knows? What you wish for
may come true.

This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"

--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed
people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )
--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )
 
AS An sd10 user I'd love an sd14...
the SD 15 should have..........

Faster image processing.
Yes! In-camera anti shake.
dust sealed

Longer exposure capability even as an optional extra coming with a "screw in" refrigeration unit for the sensor.

Keep the LEGENDARY shutter.

fewer controls
--
just me, sigh
Andy
 
hi,

the things from your list that in my opinion really should be optimized are those:
  • faster processing
  • bigger buffer
  • faster memory
  • stronger battery
i think a sealed body would be nice, even if there aren't any sealed lenses yet. this is something that would make the camera even more usable for me (sigma isn't a "nice-weather-camera at all ;) ).

liveview would be a nice feature too, but only if the lcd is swing- and tiltable (i hope those are the correct words ;) ). if liveview is implented i think contrast-autofocus with variable af-points all around the sensor would be a great addition too.

something that has been improved compared to the sd9/10 is the viewfinder, but i think it should or rather must receive further optimization. the brightness is ok, but in terms of size i think it's still pretty small (and since i only focus manually, that's something that really annoys me from time to time).

mirror lockup would be nice combined with self-timer. than i would be pleased if the two control dials of sd9/10 would be back (one for aperture and one for shutter speed).

and finally some rather unrealistic stuff i'm dreaming of...
  • what about a nice collection of manual-only lenses (could be sealed... ;) )?
  • something like a virtual horizon that can be seen while looking through the viewfinder (no more crooked images).
  • an in-camera (analog, not digital) greyfilter that can be "switched" on if needed.
  • possibility to go down to iso25 or something like that for noisefree long exposures at daylight.
something i've been thinking about is: is it really a must for sigma to make an allround-camera? i guess a iso25-400 manual-focus camera with a big and bright viewfinder and a setup of new lenses (from superwideangle to moderate tele) could be great. but i guess that's pretty unrealistic. ;)

concerning the sensor size, i think cropfactor 1,7 is pretty ok. personally i wouldn't want to pay a much higher price for a bigger sensor.

that's it, at least for the moment... ;)

greetings from vienna,
felix

ps.: sorry for any spelling mistakes... ;)

--
http://www.felixwesch.de
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
Laurence, I think the previous two sentences add nothing to the
discussion and set a strong negative tone. I know you believe this is
"humor", but it paints Sigma users in a negative light.
Well, I thought it was funny.

...and as every Sigma owner and SPP user knows, "negative light" is a very useful feature.
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
What if they decided to clean up the SD14 act? What should Sigma do?

Specifically, should they do anything about:
  • faster processing
  • high ISO noise reduction
  • in-camera anti-shake
  • bigger buffer
  • faster memory
  • stronger battery
  • sealed (water and dust) body
  • auto focus
  • white balance
  • shutter
  • metal body
  • faster frame rate
  • the LCD
  • anything else
The first two of my suggestions can be implemented simply by their inclusion into a future firmware update:

1) I'd like to be able to select ISO25 in extended mode, like say for those times you want to beautifully blur the movement of waves in water, or to just get even better image quality than is achievable at ISO50 in good lighting conditions, or for use in a studio.

2) I would like to be able to have the shutter open for at least 60 seconds or maybe to as much as 120 seconds, rather than the current 30....This would enable the SD14 user to turn night into day whilst staying at a low ISO, thus maintaining the best possible image quality.

Now some suggestions that cannot be implimented with a firmware update:

1) I'd like Sigma to start selling AF macro extension rings, so all Sigma users can convert their non-macro Sigma lenses to macro use whilst retaining AF and AA functions...Something not possible when using M42, PK or Nikon mount extension rings.

2) I'd like Sigma to offer a coiled S-TTL off-camera flash cable to run between the hotshoe and an off-camera Sigma flashgun and possibly an S-TTL extension cable for use with the S-TTL off-camera flash cable.

3) I would like to Sigma to offer a replacement dust-protector fitted with a filter that cuts IR and visible light but not UV, so UV light only photography will be possible with the SD14.

4) I'd like to see a dedicated splash-proof water-resistant leatherette (PVC) case for the SD14...To prevent splashes of water entering the body when white-water-rafting say, or just for when you need to take pics in the rain.

Obviously it should have a clear PVC panel in the rear of the case to enable the LCD screen to be seen clearly with the case fitted to the camera and likewise a small one on the top for the LCD settings display.

Such a case would also prevent the body getting scratched when in a hostile enviroment.

The option of being able to buy the case in several different colours would also be a very nice touch...Girls would invariably prefer pink cases, boys black or blue but personally I would like a woodland camoflage colour case for when I'm out doing wildlife photography...But I'd settle for drab olive colour case.

5) I'd like to see a dedicated underwater/diving case for the SD14, waterproof to a depth of at least 30meters, for users who go diving, or just snorkeling, and want to take underwater pics.
It may sound strange to newbies, but Sigma really do seem to listen
to what is said and read this forum on occasion.
I hope your right.
--
DSG
--



--
http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
Laurence, I think the previous two sentences add nothing to the
discussion and set a strong negative tone. I know you believe this is
"humor", but it paints Sigma users in a negative light.
Let's (you and me) just accept that you don't get or want to get my humor or "humor" and I don't get that you don't get it. Then you don't have to get your Jockeys all twisted up into a knot and I don't have to worry about editing my comments to keep your knickers from tightening .

(snip)
This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"
Actually, that's Canon's motto.
Actually, it's not. Canon's (at least in Europe) is "With Canon, you can." Their new slogan in the States is "So advanced...it's simple". But perhaps I missed something.

Iirc, this was used by an Illinois senator recently.

--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com
 
  • faster processing
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
see below, if it does not delay the camera release
  • high ISO noise reduction
no,

but if implemented an on / off switch, mandatory for astrography as is longer shutter speeds
  • in-camera anti-shake
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • bigger buffer
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • faster memory
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • stronger battery
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • sealed (water and dust) body
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • auto focus
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • white balance
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
  • metal body
yes, longer shutter speeds
  • faster frame rate
yes, if it does not delay the camera release
ok
  • anything else
for true pros a pure raw mode (or a limited Pro version) => sensor data to CF (no processing whatsoever) just like film days. I think this must be the most important part of a true color camera. There is plenty of time to develop the film later.

Also at some place should be available the (secret) formula how to develop the x3f files now and 150+ years from now.

For speed and jpg

I cannot see any reason why a true hardware raw to jpg converter could not be implemented with the available technology, programmable not but interchangeable yes.

Or if one needs to make a jpg, make a separate pipeline hw and jpg with another CF card for that as an addon module (maybe in battery grip).

my 2 cents
Aaro
--
!!! Sorry, I don't use blurr filter in my camera, film or digital.



http://www.lumisoft.fi/gallery
 
...how about doin' somethin' in da firmware, now?

Seriously, can any items from Laurence's list be addressed with
firmware upgrades (i.e.: buffer processing, ever-improving high ISO
noise reduction, etc.)?
Fully agree

Aaro
Souldn't have to wait for another $1600 body, dropping to
$6-something hundred, to get what really should have been the early
21st century standard...

my 4-and-a-half...

--
-- Hank III
http://www.pbase.com/hhcubed
--
!!! Sorry, I don't use blurr filter in my camera, film or digital.



http://www.lumisoft.fi/gallery
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
Laurence, I think the previous two sentences add nothing to the
discussion and set a strong negative tone. I know you believe this is
"humor", but it paints Sigma users in a negative light.
Let's (you and me) just accept that you don't get or want to get my
humor or "humor" and I don't get that you don't get it. Then you
don't have to get your Jockeys all twisted up into a knot and I don't
have to worry about editing my comments to keep your knickers from
tightening .
It's not my knickers I'm worried about. If it were only me, personally, I'd enjoy the challenge of getting out my secret decoder ring and trying to decipher your humor.

I'm trying to point out that I'm not the only one who finds your humor difficult, and that it paints all Sigma users in a negative light. You're seen as a leader in this community.
This in the spirit of the current primary adage: "Yes we can!"
Actually, that's Canon's motto.
Actually, it's not. Canon's (at least in Europe) is "With Canon, you
can." Their new slogan in the States is "So advanced...it's simple".
But perhaps I missed something.
Tag line on the Canon forums. Personally, it always makes me think of the "Can can".

Then again, I don't think they'll go for my concepts for a Canon motto...

Grab a Canon and shoot it.

Canon - just shoot it.
Iirc, this was used by an Illinois senator recently.
;)

--
Normally, a signature this small can't open its own jumpgate.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
The SD14 is here and now. But let's get really wild and forget for a
moment what the pundits claim about Sigma's non-future. What about if
they were to make a new camera, one not yet discussed by the noted
Evansville, Indiana, salesman and the janitor at the Sear's Tower?
Laurence, I think the previous two sentences add nothing to the
discussion and set a strong negative tone. I know you believe this is
"humor", but it paints Sigma users in a negative light.
Well, I thought it was funny.

...and as every Sigma owner and SPP user knows, "negative light" is a
very useful feature.
This forum puts the "pun" in "punishment".

--
Normally, a signature this small can't open its own jumpgate.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
hello felix :

"liveview would be a nice feature too, but only if the lcd is swing- and tiltable "
i agree
so you can see the histogram before shooting !
also very usefull for shooting ceilings , low angle , over head ...

o and a "dustshaker" please .

for the coming dp1 : anti shake ! : foveon not so good in high iso and the lens of the dp1 is slow.
metal body ? carbon fibre is stronger , this is the 21 century .
kindly ,
guido
 

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