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Will someone take a "real world" photo for me?
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PDXguy
Senior Member
an hour before you made this post?
I never look at Phils photos....ever...I dont feel they are real world images. He is considered by many here a "PRO" ....So for me I always like to use real members photos as samples...
BUT from the bottom of my heart...I THANK YOU VERY VERY VERY MUCH...
BUT from the bottom of my heart...I THANK YOU VERY VERY VERY MUCH...
Hope you feel better now?..Have a great night and GOD BLESS YOU....OH...And thank YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR "help".....
and still refer to the owner/administrator of this site as Mr. Askey if for nothing more than respect.
Interestingly, you posted a remark regarding the antiquated E-1 in a less than courteous manner then post this "demand" for photos and when provided information as to where to find them, you dismiss that information.
Then you wonder, in amazement, why you don't get the assistance you demand.
Sad, ... very sad.
I use E-1s, BTW, and regardless of your unfounded opinion, I can still make a pretty good snapshot from time to time.
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Bill Turner
Recent Images:
Please do not edit my images without asking permission.
Thanks.
http://www.pbase.com/wmdt131/rise_n_shine
Interestingly, you posted a remark regarding the antiquated E-1 in a less than courteous manner then post this "demand" for photos and when provided information as to where to find them, you dismiss that information.
Then you wonder, in amazement, why you don't get the assistance you demand.
Sad, ... very sad.
I use E-1s, BTW, and regardless of your unfounded opinion, I can still make a pretty good snapshot from time to time.
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Bill Turner
Recent Images:
Please do not edit my images without asking permission.
Thanks.
http://www.pbase.com/wmdt131/rise_n_shine
Why not take everything I say and make something bad out of it..???...Some of you here are nothing more than instegators and not worth my time any longer.
Even if I do go Olympus I will not come here to share my photos, as I am sure I will upset people by my total rudeness and disrespect. So Im hoping that Nikon D80 goes down a dollar or 2 ..or the Canon 40D comes down some...
Those people there have never had this type of attitude and I never hear them get all offensive and so protective of their camera of choice in my life.
Before calling me rude and disrespectful you might want to look at some of the replies people have left for me....
Thanks to those who have helped .....To the rest "and you know who you are"....Hope your days are a little brighter now that you have ran a customer off..
OH...and this is a website where were meet up and chat and talk cameras...I dont know PHIL and I dont feel its nessasary to call him MR or SIR or anything else but PHIL...so please dont tell me whats "polite" and whats not...Good DAY.
Even if I do go Olympus I will not come here to share my photos, as I am sure I will upset people by my total rudeness and disrespect. So Im hoping that Nikon D80 goes down a dollar or 2 ..or the Canon 40D comes down some...
Those people there have never had this type of attitude and I never hear them get all offensive and so protective of their camera of choice in my life.
Before calling me rude and disrespectful you might want to look at some of the replies people have left for me....
Thanks to those who have helped .....To the rest "and you know who you are"....Hope your days are a little brighter now that you have ran a customer off..
OH...and this is a website where were meet up and chat and talk cameras...I dont know PHIL and I dont feel its nessasary to call him MR or SIR or anything else but PHIL...so please dont tell me whats "polite" and whats not...Good DAY.
and still refer to the owner/administrator of this site as Mr. Askey
if for nothing more than respect.
Interestingly, you posted a remark regarding the antiquated E-1 in a
less than courteous manner then post this "demand" for photos and
when provided information as to where to find them, you dismiss that
information.
Then you wonder, in amazement, why you don't get the assistance you
demand.
Sad, ... very sad.
I use E-1s, BTW, and regardless of your unfounded opinion, I can
still make a pretty good snapshot from time to time.
--
Troll Whisperer
Bill Turner
Recent Images:
Please do not edit my images without asking permission.
Thanks.
http://www.pbase.com/wmdt131/rise_n_shine
PDXguy
Senior Member
Momma shoulda taught ya better manners, out there in the backwood.Hope you feel better now?..Have a great night and GOD BLESS
YOU....OH...And thank YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR "help".....
Does God need to bless me? What on earth for?
Although my wife has, on several occasions, suggested an exorcism might help me.
John King
Forum Pro
Hi Young
Here is my standard "boring cat picture":
ISO 1600; near darkness; about 13cm nose-to-nose distance, about another 30cm to the back of the chair. Flash, but no flash-assisted focus. 14~42mm kit lens. EXIF data in image. Only PP is USM 100%, 1.5P, 1L. This is from an in-camera JPEG (SQ, 1024x768, 1:2.7 compression).
I love the camera, its handling, ergonomics, IQ, IS. Have had it for a bit over 3 months.
Get the twin lens kit. Best value for money in the dSLR market.
regards, john.
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The Camera doth not make the Man (or Woman) ...
Perhaps being kind to cats & children does ...
kindest regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/main.php
Here is my standard "boring cat picture":
ISO 1600; near darkness; about 13cm nose-to-nose distance, about another 30cm to the back of the chair. Flash, but no flash-assisted focus. 14~42mm kit lens. EXIF data in image. Only PP is USM 100%, 1.5P, 1L. This is from an in-camera JPEG (SQ, 1024x768, 1:2.7 compression).
I love the camera, its handling, ergonomics, IQ, IS. Have had it for a bit over 3 months.
Get the twin lens kit. Best value for money in the dSLR market.
regards, john.
--
The Camera doth not make the Man (or Woman) ...
Perhaps being kind to cats & children does ...
kindest regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/main.php
PDXguy
Senior Member
for going through the decent effort! I for one found the results interesting.
David in Silverdale
Senior Member
Your welcome. I guess they weren't what youngjedi wanted.
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Such statement contains a contradiction (among other things).
I wonder what kind of "country manners" are being taught to "country boys" nowadays.
Don't give up...never give up.
Just get the Olympus E-510 and the 2 kit lens set. Then look for a good CF card (if you already don't have one)...also an extra battery.
As far as people on the internet...they are going to be what they want to be...so just focus on getting set up with a good camera from those that have helped. Don't respond to negative posts...or say anything negative about anyone. It's better that way.
I hope I've helped with showing some of the photos for you in the past. Trust some of us when we recommend this for you. The Olympus E-510 with the 2 kit lens set is one of the best affordable camera combinations. The Olympus standard lenses are high quality for the money. That's why I showed you also some photos with the 40-150mm kit lens.
Later you can get some of the more expensive lenses. You will really enjoy taking pictures for a very long time. There's some time involved and a lot to learn as some have pointed out for you in one way or the other...but it's worth it.
Just get the Olympus E-510 and the 2 kit lens set. Then look for a good CF card (if you already don't have one)...also an extra battery.
As far as people on the internet...they are going to be what they want to be...so just focus on getting set up with a good camera from those that have helped. Don't respond to negative posts...or say anything negative about anyone. It's better that way.
I hope I've helped with showing some of the photos for you in the past. Trust some of us when we recommend this for you. The Olympus E-510 with the 2 kit lens set is one of the best affordable camera combinations. The Olympus standard lenses are high quality for the money. That's why I showed you also some photos with the 40-150mm kit lens.
Later you can get some of the more expensive lenses. You will really enjoy taking pictures for a very long time. There's some time involved and a lot to learn as some have pointed out for you in one way or the other...but it's worth it.
WOW...Thanks for being understanding. It seems people just started pounding on me. WHich is very easy over the internet and really nothing I can do about it.
Thanks for all help and understanding. I am going to keep the 510 in mind and havent counted it out as of yet. Im sure its a great little camera.
Also...Thanks again to all the other people who were helpful and showed me some pictures ....
Thanks for all help and understanding. I am going to keep the 510 in mind and havent counted it out as of yet. Im sure its a great little camera.
Also...Thanks again to all the other people who were helpful and showed me some pictures ....
Don't give up...never give up.
Just get the Olympus E-510 and the 2 kit lens set. Then look for a
good CF card (if you already don't have one)...also an extra battery.
As far as people on the internet...they are going to be what they
want to be...so just focus on getting set up with a good camera from
those that have helped. Don't respond to negative posts...or say
anything negative about anyone. It's better that way.
I hope I've helped with showing some of the photos for you in the
past. Trust some of us when we recommend this for you. The Olympus
E-510 with the 2 kit lens set is one of the best affordable camera
combinations. The Olympus standard lenses are high quality for the
money. That's why I showed you also some photos with the 40-150mm
kit lens.
Later you can get some of the more expensive lenses. You will really
enjoy taking pictures for a very long time. There's some time
involved and a lot to learn as some have pointed out for you in one
way or the other...but it's worth it.
But your writing skills leave something to be desired.
Remember, it's not what you say but how you say it. You just rubbed off the wrong way from the get go.
If you can't see how you might have offended people here then I'm not sure anybody can help you.
Do you think it honestly matters to anyone whether or not you get the 510? It's a great camera for a good price but if you want to get the D80 then go for it!
They're all good cameras.
Remember, it's not what you say but how you say it. You just rubbed off the wrong way from the get go.
If you can't see how you might have offended people here then I'm not sure anybody can help you.
Do you think it honestly matters to anyone whether or not you get the 510? It's a great camera for a good price but if you want to get the D80 then go for it!
They're all good cameras.
PDXguy
Senior Member
I just want you to know I'm screwing with ya. Really, don't take it personally. However, manners would dictate you thank those who have gone out of their way to offer examples here.
But let's not flog that dead horse.
Yes, buying a camera is a huge deal. They cost a lot of money, even at the low prices the 510 is going for. I fully understand your concern. Everyone wants to make the best purchase possible when laying out this kind of cash; money doesn't grow on trees, as it were.
Now I haven’t read all of your posts, so I don’t know how experienced you are a photography, and also because I haven’t read all of your posts I’m not certain of your fears regarding the E-510. Based on this thread and your original post I suspect you may be concerned about noise.
All cameras will exhibit some noise at higher ISO settings. It’s the nature of the beast. Anyone who tells you that Brand X has no noise at higher ISO settings is a liar. However, cameras based on larger sensors, will indeed fare better in lower light. It’s simply physics. But the argument against 4:3 based cameras that noise is unacceptable is hogwash. Most of the trolls who pop in here wouldn’t know ISO from the horseshit on their shoes. It’s more than obvious. And I think that you’ve been scared off by posts like those.
I own two Olympus E-1 cameras, one E-500, and one E-3. I’ve never been challenged by the noise in them. Yes, some, depending on ISO and available light at the time of exposure require noise removal which is easily achieved in post processing. None of my prints exhibit noise, unless that is an effect that I want, and believe it or not, there are times where I DO want noise, especially in my black and white work.
What I’m not sure of is if you’re planning to purchase a dSLR with the intention of not post processing your exposures. This is fine, but the nature of dSLR cameras, by design, almost require you do so. Even my Canon point and shoots require some level of post processing to achieve a nicer look than what comes straight out of the camera. All cameras, from a point and shoot to a Mark III come with some form of mastering software. Whether or not you choose to use it is up to you.
But for best results, from ANY camera, you’ll want to.
I’ve been on this forum for quite a while now, and have seen posts like yours. They are quite common. You’re not the first to be wary, but those who ultimately do purchase an Olympus camera usually, and based on my time here, will say 8 times out of 10 they’re satisfied. Then there are those who come in as new Oly owners, have no clue as to what they’re doing, prove it my posting horrid photos, and will eagerly ask for help. And nearly always, with the kind help offered here by nearly everyone, they in time end up with great results once they have learned the camera, studied the resources offered to them, and spent considerable time shooting and practicing.
And the very same thing happens in each and every forum, here or elsewhere. New dSLR owners have a learning curve to get over. And even if they come with previous photographic experience, if they’ve purchased a camera from a different maker, they still go through a learning curve.
Digital is hell and gone from film, although the philosophy of exposure will always remain the same.
I can safely say that if you buy the E-510 you’ll fully enjoy it, if, with emphasis on IF, you’re willing to become an active participant here and ask for instruction and guidance. If not here, then someplace else, but seek out all you can. Most of the four-thirds forums are loaded with people who want to offer help. While this particular forum can be scary at times, in reality, it remains one of the better camera forums here on Dpreview.
You want night sweats? Go play in the 5D forum.
In closing, one thing I might suggest is, along with your 2-lens E-510, you buy an FL-36. You’ll want it for indoor shooting. While the camera offers built-in flash, an FL-36 is your answer for intimate family gatherings. If you want beefier, upgrade to an FL-50 later. I would also suggest later on down the road an 11-22 and 14-54. Or, perhaps the 12-60 instead. Keep in mind that camera bodies are built around lenses. The lenses you’ll hang onto forever, the bodies…meh…a dime a dozen.
I’ve included several photos from my Olympus cameras; all 3 are covered. While these aren’t what you asked for in this thread, the reason I’m posting them is because to me they represent why I’m firmly entrenched into Olympus. I find them to be excellent cameras with excellent Zuiko glass, and they have always, always provided me with excellent results in nearly every shooting condition imaginable.
Trust me on giving you a thumbs up on you purchasing an E-510. I wouldn’t steer you wrong. A search here or anywhere else on the Internet will yield thousands of example photos.
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Regards,
Steve
But let's not flog that dead horse.
Yes, buying a camera is a huge deal. They cost a lot of money, even at the low prices the 510 is going for. I fully understand your concern. Everyone wants to make the best purchase possible when laying out this kind of cash; money doesn't grow on trees, as it were.
Now I haven’t read all of your posts, so I don’t know how experienced you are a photography, and also because I haven’t read all of your posts I’m not certain of your fears regarding the E-510. Based on this thread and your original post I suspect you may be concerned about noise.
All cameras will exhibit some noise at higher ISO settings. It’s the nature of the beast. Anyone who tells you that Brand X has no noise at higher ISO settings is a liar. However, cameras based on larger sensors, will indeed fare better in lower light. It’s simply physics. But the argument against 4:3 based cameras that noise is unacceptable is hogwash. Most of the trolls who pop in here wouldn’t know ISO from the horseshit on their shoes. It’s more than obvious. And I think that you’ve been scared off by posts like those.
I own two Olympus E-1 cameras, one E-500, and one E-3. I’ve never been challenged by the noise in them. Yes, some, depending on ISO and available light at the time of exposure require noise removal which is easily achieved in post processing. None of my prints exhibit noise, unless that is an effect that I want, and believe it or not, there are times where I DO want noise, especially in my black and white work.
What I’m not sure of is if you’re planning to purchase a dSLR with the intention of not post processing your exposures. This is fine, but the nature of dSLR cameras, by design, almost require you do so. Even my Canon point and shoots require some level of post processing to achieve a nicer look than what comes straight out of the camera. All cameras, from a point and shoot to a Mark III come with some form of mastering software. Whether or not you choose to use it is up to you.
But for best results, from ANY camera, you’ll want to.
I’ve been on this forum for quite a while now, and have seen posts like yours. They are quite common. You’re not the first to be wary, but those who ultimately do purchase an Olympus camera usually, and based on my time here, will say 8 times out of 10 they’re satisfied. Then there are those who come in as new Oly owners, have no clue as to what they’re doing, prove it my posting horrid photos, and will eagerly ask for help. And nearly always, with the kind help offered here by nearly everyone, they in time end up with great results once they have learned the camera, studied the resources offered to them, and spent considerable time shooting and practicing.
And the very same thing happens in each and every forum, here or elsewhere. New dSLR owners have a learning curve to get over. And even if they come with previous photographic experience, if they’ve purchased a camera from a different maker, they still go through a learning curve.
Digital is hell and gone from film, although the philosophy of exposure will always remain the same.
I can safely say that if you buy the E-510 you’ll fully enjoy it, if, with emphasis on IF, you’re willing to become an active participant here and ask for instruction and guidance. If not here, then someplace else, but seek out all you can. Most of the four-thirds forums are loaded with people who want to offer help. While this particular forum can be scary at times, in reality, it remains one of the better camera forums here on Dpreview.
You want night sweats? Go play in the 5D forum.
In closing, one thing I might suggest is, along with your 2-lens E-510, you buy an FL-36. You’ll want it for indoor shooting. While the camera offers built-in flash, an FL-36 is your answer for intimate family gatherings. If you want beefier, upgrade to an FL-50 later. I would also suggest later on down the road an 11-22 and 14-54. Or, perhaps the 12-60 instead. Keep in mind that camera bodies are built around lenses. The lenses you’ll hang onto forever, the bodies…meh…a dime a dozen.
I’ve included several photos from my Olympus cameras; all 3 are covered. While these aren’t what you asked for in this thread, the reason I’m posting them is because to me they represent why I’m firmly entrenched into Olympus. I find them to be excellent cameras with excellent Zuiko glass, and they have always, always provided me with excellent results in nearly every shooting condition imaginable.
Trust me on giving you a thumbs up on you purchasing an E-510. I wouldn’t steer you wrong. A search here or anywhere else on the Internet will yield thousands of example photos.
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Regards,
Steve
WOW....Some very awesome shots you have. Ok first let me say...Im sorry for whatever I have done or havent done. I really didnt see where I came off "rude", but if you guys think so....Well then maybe I was?...Sorry anyways...
Ok....Now I love your shots..BUT...See the shot of the guy playing the sax? Im seeing "noise" in the black outfit he has on. That is my concern right there.
Here is something you might want to know. Not only do I shoot some in my very small and cheap studio "family portraits, and such"...But I get the occasional wedding. Nothing big. I only shoot maybe 2-3 a year and thats it.
And before people go nuts on "you need 2 bodies, 15 lenses, 6 batteries, and a partridge in a pare tree"..lol...I know all about it...I have shot with my Canon 300D and the Nikon D50 and had great results. So I know whats needed..."DOnt take that has harsh treatment PLEASE"
I know when im shooting a wedding everyone is dressed in black. Well everyone but the women...And the last thing I need is a lot of noise. I dont know if you have or not....But...If you run that shot of the guy through some noiseware, do you think it would looks way more acceptable? Not that its really bad, but I just hate noticeing it.
Aagain....Thank you VERY much for your time, your skills, and anything you might can contribute to my search.....
Ok....Now I love your shots..BUT...See the shot of the guy playing the sax? Im seeing "noise" in the black outfit he has on. That is my concern right there.
Here is something you might want to know. Not only do I shoot some in my very small and cheap studio "family portraits, and such"...But I get the occasional wedding. Nothing big. I only shoot maybe 2-3 a year and thats it.
And before people go nuts on "you need 2 bodies, 15 lenses, 6 batteries, and a partridge in a pare tree"..lol...I know all about it...I have shot with my Canon 300D and the Nikon D50 and had great results. So I know whats needed..."DOnt take that has harsh treatment PLEASE"
I know when im shooting a wedding everyone is dressed in black. Well everyone but the women...And the last thing I need is a lot of noise. I dont know if you have or not....But...If you run that shot of the guy through some noiseware, do you think it would looks way more acceptable? Not that its really bad, but I just hate noticeing it.
Aagain....Thank you VERY much for your time, your skills, and anything you might can contribute to my search.....
Henry Caron
Veteran Member
You have to be kidding?
Henry
Henry
Ted C.
Senior Member
as you aren't going to be happy with Oly and its noisey sensor. It's been an interesting distraction watching you bob and weave, but hardly original....
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