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This thread had me wondering, I have not shot my D60 28-135 IS without my Hoya Super HMC Pro 1 UV O filter on it...ever

Below are 2 shots tripod mounted, remote trigger of a feather duster for detail. One with and one without the filter. Images are a small crop of the same area of the image. no processing was done. saved as 100% quality JPEG. I put each one on its own layer in PS and flipped back and forth. Other than a slight rocking of the image, I guess from removing the filter, they seem to be ventrally identical.

With Hoya Super HMC Pro 1 UV O filter below



Without Hoya Super HMC Pro 1 UV O filter below



All my images have been shot using this filter. It looks like I made a good choice. http://www.pbase.com/vipermike/canon_d60_images

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Mike Malloy
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To my knowledge Delta International has provided the lowest prices for this series of filters. I'm glad to say I was instrumental in their decision to get and stock them on a regular basis. There are now MANY satisfied owners of this wonderful filter.
 
He didn't say this was the Super PRO HMC filter . . . just the Super HMC.

The difference being that the PRO series has the 1mm glass.

I'm not sure how much difference the thin glass makes in real life (other than vignetting issues on wide-angles on full-framed sensors).

But, I like the look of them.
Lee Rothman said:
To my knowledge Delta International has provided the lowest prices
for this series of filters. I'm glad to say I was instrumental in
their decision to get and stock them on a regular basis. There are
now MANY satisfied owners of this wonderful filter.
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Next time, I'll read the entire post again BEFORE posting. LOL.

His title didn't mention the PRO, but he did in the post.

Oops!

I still say that the difference in the PRO vs the non-PRO is going to be very slight. But I still like the way those PRO's look on the lens.

Plus, I'm lazy, and will stack a polarizer over the UV-filter. That's when having both of the filters be the thin version can really pay off.
DavidP said:
He didn't say this was the Super PRO HMC filter . . . just the
Super HMC.

The difference being that the PRO series has the 1mm glass.

I'm not sure how much difference the thin glass makes in real life
(other than vignetting issues on wide-angles on full-framed
sensors).

But, I like the look of them.
Click to expand...
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Lee Rothman said:
To my knowledge Delta International has provided the lowest prices
for this series of filters. I'm glad to say I was instrumental in
their decision to get and stock them on a regular basis. There are
now MANY satisfied owners of this wonderful filter.
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While I did not include the Pro in my tests, check out how much better the Hoya Super HMC are over the other Hoya and the Tiffen.

The link is on the home page of my personal site. it is a real eye-opener if you have not seen it.

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Michael Tapes
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http://www.michaeltapes.com
 
Does anyone have any info on the difference in quality of the Hoya HMC vs the Hoya Super HMC? Unless i'm mistaken the sample in Michael's tests include the Hoya Standard and Hoya Super HMC. I'd really rather stick with the HMC so i can keep those front threads and a nice lens cap.

On a related note, what's the "push-on" lens cap like for the Super HMC's? Does it stay on pretty well or is it falling off and getting lost a possibility?

Thanks,
MichaelT said:
While I did not include the Pro in my tests, check out how much
better the Hoya Super HMC are over the other Hoya and the Tiffen.

The link is on the home page of my personal site. it is a real
eye-opener if you have not seen it.

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Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
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Kurt Slater
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Kurt:

The Hoya Super HMC filters do have front threads. It's the Pro filters who do not, as they are super slim.

The Super HMC have more coatings than the HMC. The Super HMC are 99.7% transparent while the HMC are about 97%. That 2.7% difference is all important to minimize filter induced flare.

Looking at Michael Tapes it is still clear that no filter at all is the purest approach. But if you need to use a filter go Hoya Super HMC or the B&W equivalents.

John
Kurt Slater said:
On a related note, what's the "push-on" lens cap like for the Super
HMC's? Does it stay on pretty well or is it falling off and
getting lost a possibility?

Thanks,
MichaelT said:
While I did not include the Pro in my tests, check out how much
better the Hoya Super HMC are over the other Hoya and the Tiffen.

The link is on the home page of my personal site. it is a real
eye-opener if you have not seen it.

--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
Click to expand...
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Kurt Slater
http://www.kurtslater.com
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Now i'm getting more confused. According to the info i've found online, neither the Super HMC or the Ultra line have front threads. I haven't found any info on the Pro series other than a few places that sell them. If someone could clarify or confirm the front thread issue I'd appreciate it. Any insight into the push-on lens cap would also be appreciated.

Where I found my info on the different lines is http://www.thkphoto.com/catalog/h/coatings.html . There seems to be conflicting info on http://www.2filter.com/prices/specials.html however. They list a double threaded Super HMC as well as Pro, at least in the UV line. Perhaps the Polarizer and UV filters are different with regards to the front threads.

Help....
John Davis said:
The Hoya Super HMC filters do have front threads. It's the Pro
filters who do not, as they are super slim.

The Super HMC have more coatings than the HMC. The Super HMC are
99.7% transparent while the HMC are about 97%. That 2.7% difference
is all important to minimize filter induced flare.

Looking at Michael Tapes it is still clear that no filter at all is
the purest approach. But if you need to use a filter go Hoya Super
HMC or the B&W equivalents.

John
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The Hoya Super HMC Pro1 filters DO have threads on them and do NOT require a special cap. The stock Canon caps work just fine. I have 8 of the Pro 1's I ought to know. I don't know where this rumor started but it's WRONG! Secondly the overall thickness of the aluminum mount is 3 vs. 5mm thick on the standard Super HMC's. Also the glass on the Pro 1's are the thinnest on the market bar NONE. This means less potential for flare, less optical obstruction to the first main lens element. Every little bit DOES count. I've compared my top line B&W MRC's to them and I went ALL Pro1 Hoya. They are a pain in the touchas to clean (multicoated) but if you pick up some Eclipse or Solution MC it works just fine. Hope this get's it straight.
 
Thanks for the feeback Lee.. I keep thinking I'll find some comprehensive info online somewhere but there is a good bit of conflicting info out there. I haven't found any info on the Pro line at all, other that prices from deltainternational.

From what i've read, my conclusions for the Hoya line are..

HMC: both UV and Polarizer have front threads

HMC Ultra : neither the UV (3mm) or Polarizer+UV (5mm) have front threads

SHMC : the UV (5mm) has front threads, but the Polarizer (5mm) doesn't

SHMC Pro 1 : both the UV (3mm) and Polarizer (3mm) have front threads

Does this seem to make sense?
 
My eyes are not the best, and the monitor isn't state of the art or anything.... I mean it's a cheap 15" IBM Monitor

What should I see that's different between the two? They look identical except for the slight shift to the right in the bottom picture.

Thanks
Tom
 
John Davis said:
Kurt:
The Super HMC have more coatings than the HMC. The Super HMC are
99.7% transparent while the HMC are about 97%. That 2.7% difference
is all important to minimize filter induced flare.
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Actually, there is another way of juggling the numbers that is much more compelling.

The S-HMC's at 99.7% block 3 parts per thousand.
The HMC at about 97% block 30 parts per thousand.

This 1:10 ratio might justify the visible differences a bit better.

Thayer
 
Hi Tom,

You are supposed to see nothing different, that was the test.
A good UV0 filter should reveal no visual difference in sharpness,
color, exposure. I did this test because I had seen on an earlier post
some softness coming off a Tiffan filter. sometimes a bad one gets by
and I was just checking:)

Mike Malloy
Tom Boucher said:
My eyes are not the best, and the monitor isn't state of the art or
anything.... I mean it's a cheap 15" IBM Monitor

What should I see that's different between the two? They look
identical except for the slight shift to the right in the bottom
picture.

Thanks
Tom
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