K10D to Nikon D300

Reminds me of those questions from math class:

If the D300 is 3x the cost of the K10D, and the K20D will be 2/3 of that, what is the price of the K20D?
The K10D currently fits my needs - why would I want to replace it
with a camera costing 3x as much plus a full set of new lenses
costing even more?

While I don't think that the K20D will match the Nikon D300 in all
respects (after all, it will only cost 2/3 as much, if rumors are
true), I suspect that it will be more than enough camera for me, and
it will allow me to continue to use all my Pentax glass.
 
I would say that, with a healthy selection of Pentax lenses already, I can't see why you would? Pentax are looking healthier than in a long time, they are producing quality yet affordable primes, they have new long lenses on the horizon (the 60-250 f4 is the kind of lens many Nikon folk would snap up in a heart beat) and the obvious new K20D not far away

Oh, and this is coming from someone who switched to Nikon 1 year and 3 days ago :)

PS, I am very pleased with Nikon (tho again, I'd love to be able to run a Pentax + pancake lenses alongside)
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K20D = K10 * 3 * 2 3 ?

K20D = K10 * 2

LOL
If the D300 is 3x the cost of the K10D, and the K20D will be 2/3 of
that, what is the price of the K20D?
The K10D currently fits my needs - why would I want to replace it
with a camera costing 3x as much plus a full set of new lenses
costing even more?

While I don't think that the K20D will match the Nikon D300 in all
respects (after all, it will only cost 2/3 as much, if rumors are
true), I suspect that it will be more than enough camera for me, and
it will allow me to continue to use all my Pentax glass.
 
K20D * 30 / K2 = D300 ?

:D
K20D = K10 * 2

LOL
If the D300 is 3x the cost of the K10D, and the K20D will be 2/3 of
that, what is the price of the K20D?
The K10D currently fits my needs - why would I want to replace it
with a camera costing 3x as much plus a full set of new lenses
costing even more?

While I don't think that the K20D will match the Nikon D300 in all
respects (after all, it will only cost 2/3 as much, if rumors are
true), I suspect that it will be more than enough camera for me, and
it will allow me to continue to use all my Pentax glass.
 
You may think I am just some Pentax "fanboy", but that would just be
an unreasonable thought on your part. LOL



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So, where exactly is that cabinet in your home and what time are you
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Yes, I really like the cabinet too. I designed it in a few minutes
and had a friend that is a cabinetmaker build it. I did however, make
it too small, at least for all the lens I hope to own.....in my mind.
Glass was also etched by a local craftsman, he did a good job also.
Thanks!

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it's sure a beautiful cabinet, but I doubt it is the cabinet korvus is interested in

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Just because another manufacturer has released a new product , why should I be any less happy with what I've got ?

I've been using Pentax since the 1970s and by now have built up a collection of lenses and other accessories which I can still use - why would I want to throw all that away and change to another system of lenses when I could not afford to replace what I have with like for like ? As far as I am concerned Pentax lenses are still the equal of , if not better than , those made by any other manufacturer .

Because a large part of my job involves photography , and my manager is something of a Nikon fanboy , I have been issued with various Nikon cameras : F3 ( tinpot toy outclassed in every department by the much better made LX ) ; F100 ( nice enough but I'll stick with my MZ-S ) and D200 ( a little on the large side for my liking and seems to burn out highlights on its default settings , we have two of these cameras and they both do this , the much-vaunted Nikon flash also tends to give exposures which are all over the place so I don't think much of that either ; to be fair it DOES have better low light AF , but I tend to focus manually a lot ) . I still use my *istD a lot in preference to the D200 because I get better exposures both in bright outdoor conditions and with flash .

I'm still using my *istD , with a mixture of SMC-M lenses and Sigma EX lenses , together with various Metz and Pentax flashes . I got my daughter a K10D for her 21st and , while it is a very nice camera , I didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy one for myself . I'll look at the K20D when it comes out and make my mind up , at least I know that all my lenses will work with it and I won't have to buy a whole series of expensive new lenses to get anti-shake .

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With kind regards

Derek.
 
You may think I am just some Pentax "fanboy", but that would just be
an unreasonable thought on your part. LOL



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'This is more serious than I thought.....but it is still fun!
http://www.pbase.com/rupertdog Take a look- It's Free!
So, where exactly is that cabinet in your home and what time are you
going out today? LOL ;-)

--
Pentax K100D Super
Pentax DA 18-55
  • on order: Tamron AF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 LD Di
  • on order: Pentax P-FA 50mm 1.4
http://www.pbase.com/metalfab/
Yes, I really like the cabinet too. I designed it in a few minutes
and had a friend that is a cabinetmaker build it. I did however, make
it too small, at least for all the lens I hope to own.....in my mind.
Glass was also etched by a local craftsman, he did a good job also.
Thanks!

'This is more serious than I thought.....but it is still fun!
http://www.pbase.com/rupertdog Take a look- It's Free!
it's sure a beautiful cabinet, but I doubt it is the cabinet korvus
is interested in
....> Do you mean he would be thinking of that Bigma?
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'This is more serious than I thought.....but it is still fun!
http://www.pbase.com/rupertdog Take a look- It's Free!
 
My K10d is working pretty well at the moment and there are other things to buy or invest in. Although I'd love it, I don't have a mission critical need for the better AF and better high ISO. The reportedly superior Nikon flash system is an additional minor consideration.

Anyway, I see no reason to buy now if both Canon and Pentax have significant announcements coming at the end of this month. Heck, maybe even Nikon will make an announcement.

Bart
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According to the Canon 40D review on this site, the K10D is its equal (or slightly better!) in image qualtiy when shooting RAW. And the Sony A700 review shows the 40D and Nikon D300 as being equal. So, if you need the faster shooting speed and live view, got for the D300. But it won't make better images - and perhaps the upcoming K20D will trump them all ;)

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If you have the money now, then switch to the Nikon.

Despite the obvious protests of the Pentax fans, the new camera to ANNOUNCED this month will not get to the shelves till the summer anyway. That's a long time to wait.

The Cannon and Nikon cameras have failed to be overtaken by Pentax, and to be honest, whatever Pentax announce for the K20D, it still won't match up to Nikon's offerings, when you consider the range of accessories that Nikon have.

As for the anti-shake in the Pentax body, while that helps a bit on some shots, the lens system does work a lot better. However, until digital, no one had anti-shake. How did any pictures get taken?

As one convert to Cannon has said, anti-shake is not something to worry about.

I have been looking into the switch to Nikon for some time, but the budget will not allow it yet - too much decorating to be done!!!

I may go with the D200, or wait till the summer and see what the prices are for the D300.

Dal
 
I personally would not switch to a D300... D3 on the other hand...

I'm in Japan at the moment and had a chance to get my hands on a D3 and it is a impressive piece of gear... hold down that shutter and let that sucker run...

That said... I would only ever switch if I ever needed the capabilities of that camera and that is not ever likely... the High ISO is probably the only thing that I would really like the rest of the features would be useful but not enough to worry about.

I still love my K10D and is more camera than I have talent anyway... i'm not going to get the new K20D either..

Ergonomics wise Pentax for me is still better... Feel for me is important in a camera... Pentax cannot be beat at the moment in that department.
It just feels right for me.

Cheers
 
And when Pentax brings out a better camera than the D300 you will
switch back again?
Each time a manufacturer brings out a new camera it slightly leap
frogs the other manufacturer's camera at that price point and so on,
so, I fail to see the benefit of switching brands unless it is due to
the fact that one of the manufacturers has a feature that the other's
don't have and will not ever have.
For me, Pentax has the ergonomics, functionality, in body SR and
lenses that no other manufacturer has been able to match, IMO, and
even if they did, there would be no point in switching as I know that
even if a N*kon may have a slight advantage with their current
camera, Pentax will leap frog it with their next release. Also, even
if the new Nikon is better than the current Pentax, do I actually
really need it? I am sure I can wait until the next release of Pentax
for them to match it or leap frog it.
The other thing I can't understand is some people's propensity to
think that they have to have the latest and best as if it in some way
makes them a better photographer, especially if they have to switch
brands to do be able to have this infintessimally small bragging
right! Think of all the money already invested their current
equipment that has to be sold off and restarted in another brand!
I think it would be best if you waited for the Pentax K20D and see
what it can deliver before losing all that money switching to another
brand. The anouncement is at the end of January.
A voice of reason.

Switching brands for temporary advantages that one may have over another is foolish. There may be sensible reasons for switching, e.g. specific lens or flash options that a user may require and that are only available from one manufacturer, but barring that, it makes good sense to stay put.

Rob
 
Despite the obvious protests of the Pentax fans, the new camera to
ANNOUNCED this month will not get to the shelves till the summer
anyway. That's a long time to wait.
How do you know? K10D is reported to be discontinued already. So K20D may be the shelf earlier than you think.
The Cannon and Nikon cameras have failed to be overtaken by Pentax,
This has never been a target for Pentax. They would be quite satisfied with a number 3 position, if they can get there.
and to be honest, whatever Pentax announce for the K20D, it still
won't match up to Nikon's offerings, when you consider the range of
accessories that Nikon have.
Only if you need those accessories. Sure, Canon and Nikon have those gorgeous $1,00000....... lenses, but again only if you have a need or the budget to buy them. Otherwise, it does not matter to you.
As for the anti-shake in the Pentax body, while that helps a bit on
some shots, the lens system does work a lot better.
That again is not proven. In fact, some independent test (including one by a German magazine) showed the Pentax came out on top.
However, until digital, no one had anti-shake. How did any pictures get
taken?
Yeah, long ago, we don't have AF and no one put so much emphasis on high ISO... but time has changed. Anti-shake can improve most of your handheld shots, and that's a good thing.
As one convert to Cannon has said, anti-shake is not something to
worry about.
I definitely disagree on that. It's one of the great features of modern camera, I would never buy one without it - either in-lens or in-body. And since I cannot afford all my lenses to have IS/VR and there is no IS/VR for a lot of short primes, I would stick with in-body SR.
 
Despite the obvious protests of the Pentax fans, the new camera to
ANNOUNCED this month will not get to the shelves till the summer
anyway. That's a long time to wait.
How do you know? K10D is reported to be discontinued already. So
K20D may be the shelf earlier than you think.
Because a couple of stores don't have it, doesn't mean the new one is following.

It takes Pentax a long time to get a new body to the shelves, especially in enough numbers to satisfy.
The Cannon and Nikon cameras have failed to be overtaken by Pentax,
This has never been a target for Pentax. They would be quite
satisfied with a number 3 position, if they can get there.
I know Pentax aren't bothered, but the die-hard fans are. Those here and elsewhere who swear blind that Pentax is very cloose to C&N offerings and to wait for the next model as it will blow the competition away.
and to be honest, whatever Pentax announce for the K20D, it still
won't match up to Nikon's offerings, when you consider the range of
accessories that Nikon have.
Only if you need those accessories. Sure, Canon and Nikon have those
gorgeous $1,00000....... lenses, but again only if you have a need
or the budget to buy them. Otherwise, it does not matter to you.
Totally agree here, however it is nice to look at a ringflash and know it is designed for your camera, rather then have to look for one that is 20 years old and has to be used fully manual. Same with long lenses.
As for the anti-shake in the Pentax body, while that helps a bit on
some shots, the lens system does work a lot better.
That again is not proven. In fact, some independent test (including
one by a German magazine) showed the Pentax came out on top.
That's the thing. Virtually everyone who uses it finds it better, but a couple didn't.
However, until digital, no one had anti-shake. How did any pictures get
taken?
Yeah, long ago, we don't have AF and no one put so much emphasis on
high ISO... but time has changed. Anti-shake can improve most of
your handheld shots, and that's a good thing.
Why. Because it encourages laziness with the photography. Before the K10D I used the DL2 - no anti-shake so I handheld properly and used a monopod, even with a 70-300mm lens. Result - the DL2 pics are just as good as the K10D pics.
As one convert to Cannon has said, anti-shake is not something to
worry about.
I definitely disagree on that. It's one of the great features of
modern camera, I would never buy one without it - either in-lens or
in-body. And since I cannot afford all my lenses to have IS/VR and
there is no IS/VR for a lot of short primes, I would stick with
in-body SR.
You may disagree, but the guy who switched to Cannon is well respected and semi-pro. Unfortunately, too many people rely on it and then blame any shake on camera failure, despite handholding a 70-300mm at 1/5 of a sec.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Pentax cameras and anti shake can be a real life saver, but at the end of the day, C & N cater to the Pros and they demand excellence. Pentax is where it has aways been - middle of the road and affordable to the masses.

Dal
 
And when Pentax brings out a better camera than the D300 you will
switch back again?
The light turns on and I see I've been foolish, I should have lenses for all the brands and buy the best body each year. I will simply pack away the lenses from the other brands not in use that year, and sell the last body. Beautiful.

Let's see, budget what? US $3000 per brand for lenses and one flash? The point is to cover as much focal length with quality glass and have the "one" stellar lens per brand.

For Pentax that is easy, the DA* ,16-50mm, 50-135mm, the FA 31mm, and the AF-540FGZ

So what for Nikon?

And Canon?

Thank you
Russell
 
A voice of reason.

Switching brands for temporary advantages that one may have over
another is foolish.
No, no, it is brilliant, if you save the lenses. Everyone says glass is what to invest in and diversifying is the smartest tactic when investing.

Thank you
Russell
 
Totally agree here, however it is nice to look at a ring flash and
know it is designed for your camera, rather then have to look for one
that is 20 years old and has to be used fully manual. Same with long
lenses.
The funny thing is, I can afford few manufacturer branded products. I would like to see more Pentax accessories and long lenses, but not made by Pentax.
As for the anti-shake in the Pentax body, while that helps a bit on
some shots, the lens system does work a lot better.
That again is not proven. In fact, some independent test (including
one by a German magazine) showed the Pentax came out on top.
That's the thing. Virtually everyone who uses it finds it better, but
a couple didn't.
I think value was what I was looking at. In lens, VR was pretty spendy, I believe the in lens, VR is now being pushed into cheaper lenses, so maybe the perceived value is slowly decreasing but I don't think it is even.

For those shopping for the best, value doesn't mean as much, so the advantage is determined by the buyer.
However, until digital, no one had anti-shake. How did any pictures get
taken?
Yeah, long ago, we don't have AF and no one put so much emphasis on
high ISO... but time has changed. Anti-shake can improve most of
your handheld shots, and that's a good thing.
Why. Because it encourages laziness with the photography.
Or opens doors for people that don't have the physical ability that some may not realize is only temporary . We all get older, and sooner or later, your body will betray you.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Pentax cameras and anti shake can be a
real life saver, but at the end of the day, C & N cater to the Pros
and they demand excellence. Pentax is where it has aways been -
middle of the road and affordable to the masses.
Every thread about switching is about going to a camera that is in the next level of pricing or higher. Does that tell you anything?

Thank you
Russell
 
Despite the obvious protests of the Pentax fans, the new camera to
ANNOUNCED this month will not get to the shelves till the summer
anyway. That's a long time to wait.
How do you know? K10D is reported to be discontinued already. So
K20D may be the shelf earlier than you think.
Because a couple of stores don't have it, doesn't mean the new one is
following.
It takes Pentax a long time to get a new body to the shelves,
especially in enough numbers to satisfy.
The Cannon and Nikon cameras have failed to be overtaken by Pentax,
This has never been a target for Pentax. They would be quite
satisfied with a number 3 position, if they can get there.
I know Pentax aren't bothered, but the die-hard fans are. Those here
and elsewhere who swear blind that Pentax is very cloose to C&N
offerings and to wait for the next model as it will blow the
competition away.
This is a ridiculous statement. I have the K10D and am completely unconcerned about whether it is as good as the D300 or not or any other camera from the opposition, for that matter. The most critical thing for me, and I bet most others, is that it does what I want .

Those that require Pentax to be market leader and/or have the best camera, as judged by the "so-called experts", are the ones that require bragging rights as they can't take a decent photo so they can have a one-up-manship over the next guy.

Also, Pentax do not need to be number one or even number two to produce capable cameras for the full spectrum of DSLR users. Again, those that want their camera company or individal camera is for bragging rights only and does not mean you will ever take a good photo with it.
and to be honest, whatever Pentax announce for the K20D, it still
won't match up to Nikon's offerings, when you consider the range of
accessories that Nikon have.
Only if you need those accessories. Sure, Canon and Nikon have those
gorgeous $1,00000....... lenses, but again only if you have a need
or the budget to buy them. Otherwise, it does not matter to you.
Totally agree here, however it is nice to look at a ringflash and
know it is designed for your camera, rather then have to look for one
that is 20 years old and has to be used fully manual. Same with long
lenses.
Very few require ring flash, so it is irrelevant to most and that is what we are talking about, what most require, not a select few. Having said that, Pentax will introduce one.
As for the anti-shake in the Pentax body, while that helps a bit on
some shots, the lens system does work a lot better.
That again is not proven. In fact, some independent test (including
one by a German magazine) showed the Pentax came out on top.
That's the thing. Virtually everyone who uses it finds it better, but
a couple didn't.
It's funny how that works. I regularly can use the SR system to at least 3 stops. I wonder why other "so-called" photographers asre unable to obtain this? Maybe they ain't so good at it and blame the camera...again.
However, until digital, no one had anti-shake. How did any pictures get
taken?
Yeah, long ago, we don't have AF and no one put so much emphasis on
high ISO... but time has changed. Anti-shake can improve most of
your handheld shots, and that's a good thing.
Why. Because it encourages laziness with the photography. Before the
K10D I used the DL2 - no anti-shake so I handheld properly and used a
monopod, even with a 70-300mm lens. Result - the DL2 pics are just as
good as the K10D pics.
This is an argument used by those from C*non and N*kon when they are espousing the virtues of their technology over anything Pentax has to offer, like faster frame rate cameras, anti shake lenses before Pentax had SR, better lens systems etc. If the technology is there, then we should use it, just we shouldn't blame it for our own mistakes.

SR works and works well and most find it a great feature.
As one convert to Cannon has said, anti-shake is not something to
worry about.
I definitely disagree on that. It's one of the great features of
modern camera, I would never buy one without it - either in-lens or
in-body. And since I cannot afford all my lenses to have IS/VR and
there is no IS/VR for a lot of short primes, I would stick with
in-body SR.
You may disagree, but the guy who switched to Cannon is well
respected and semi-pro. Unfortunately, too many people rely on it and
then blame any shake on camera failure, despite handholding a
70-300mm at 1/5 of a sec.
Touting that the guy who switched being a semi-pro is irrelevant.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Pentax cameras and anti shake can be a
real life saver, but at the end of the day, C & N cater to the Pros
and they demand excellence. Pentax is where it has aways been -
middle of the road and affordable to the masses.
Yes, but Pentax has is some of the best glass ever made and that is all that really counts in most instances.

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Originator of the term 'LBA'.

http://www.pbase.com/lance_b
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Despite the obvious protests of the Pentax fans, the new camera to
ANNOUNCED this month will not get to the shelves till the summer
anyway. That's a long time to wait.
How do you know? K10D is reported to be discontinued already. So
K20D may be the shelf earlier than you think.
Because a couple of stores don't have it, doesn't mean the new one is
following.
It takes Pentax a long time to get a new body to the shelves,
especially in enough numbers to satisfy.
This seems to apply to ALL brands, not just Pentax. C have announced their 1DsMkIII, the C websites advertised it, they even gave a price in Australia, but can't find anyone selling one, they still sell the 1DMkIII. What does that say about the slow release of C with their cameras?
The Cannon and Nikon cameras have failed to be overtaken by Pentax,
This has never been a target for Pentax. They would be quite
satisfied with a number 3 position, if they can get there.
I know Pentax aren't bothered, but the die-hard fans are. Those here
and elsewhere who swear blind that Pentax is very cloose to C&N
offerings and to wait for the next model as it will blow the
competition away.
I doubt many people really believe that Pentax will overtake the big 2, That is like believing Apple will overtake and destroy Microsoft. The big 2 will only lose through their own mistakes. But Pentax can hold their own, just as Apple does against Microsoft. I believe the problems C have with the current 1D series to be a major mistake for such an expensive high end piece of equipment. Shows poor build and quality control.
and to be honest, whatever Pentax announce for the K20D, it still
won't match up to Nikon's offerings, when you consider the range of
accessories that Nikon have.
Only if you need those accessories. Sure, Canon and Nikon have those
gorgeous $1,00000....... lenses, but again only if you have a need
or the budget to buy them. Otherwise, it does not matter to you.
Totally agree here, however it is nice to look at a ringflash and
know it is designed for your camera, rather then have to look for one
that is 20 years old and has to be used fully manual. Same with long
lenses.
It has been mentioned in other threads that the N flash system is better, and no one has disputed that, so if flash photography is your forte, go buy an N.
As for the anti-shake in the Pentax body, while that helps a bit on
some shots, the lens system does work a lot better.
That again is not proven. In fact, some independent test (including
one by a German magazine) showed the Pentax came out on top.
That's the thing. Virtually everyone who uses it finds it better, but
a couple didn't.
However, until digital, no one had anti-shake. How did any pictures get
taken?
Yeah, long ago, we don't have AF and no one put so much emphasis on
high ISO... but time has changed. Anti-shake can improve most of
your handheld shots, and that's a good thing.
Why. Because it encourages laziness with the photography. Before the
K10D I used the DL2 - no anti-shake so I handheld properly and used a
monopod, even with a 70-300mm lens. Result - the DL2 pics are just as
good as the K10D pics.
As one convert to Cannon has said, anti-shake is not something to
worry about.
I definitely disagree on that. It's one of the great features of
modern camera, I would never buy one without it - either in-lens or
in-body. And since I cannot afford all my lenses to have IS/VR and
there is no IS/VR for a lot of short primes, I would stick with
in-body SR.
You may disagree, but the guy who switched to Cannon is well
respected and semi-pro. Unfortunately, too many people rely on it and
then blame any shake on camera failure, despite handholding a
70-300mm at 1/5 of a sec.
Does this guy use any VR lenses? If he has VR lenses, the claim that anti-shake isn't worth worrying about isn't really an unbiased and true view then, as he is using one form of an anti-shake system.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Pentax cameras and anti shake can be a
real life saver, but at the end of the day, C & N cater to the Pros
and they demand excellence. Pentax is where it has aways been -
middle of the road and affordable to the masses.
If your a Pro and absolutely must have one of the top C or N's to do you work, then go buy one. Alot of people buy Pentax for alot of different reasons, and one is we are not Pro's, we buy what we can afford, we buy what we like, we buy what suits our needs.

Pentax, now with the take-over out of the way, and the photo division starting to show a profit, and with the various joint venture projects, such as with Samsung, Pentax R&D may just be able to surprise a few people over the next few years with where they go.
Andrew
 

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