D300x - Full Frame

I'm I crazy to think of a D300x (Full-Frame) ro rival Canon 5D ?!

Seems to me most people don't need the FF together with the high-speed of the D3, and certainly not it's weight and size, but a smaller version, with great noise handling at high-ISOs, together with those great D300 specs.

Unforntunately if Tom Hogan's preditions for 2008 are correct, we won't see it in 2008, hopefully in 2009...

Most certainly I think we'll see a 2nd version of the Canon 5D, that many nikon-guys will be lusting about...

Come on Nikon, do your homework.

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On the other hand, just maybe Nikon has done their homework. There seems to be a rather huge market for the DX sensor. I for one have absolutely no need for an FX and for a variety of reasons much prefer the smaller one. I think a much better strategy for Nikon would be to keep both sensors, but maybe come out with a less expensive version of the D3.
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Canon may follow Nikon's lead with the D3 and make their full sensor 5Dx more expensive, with more features and better build than the 5D. In which case, there would be no competitive advantage for a D300fx, and there is a reason not to do it: cannabilization of D3 sales. I have to believe Canon is watching all the fervor over the D300 at $1,800 and wishing they had the pull for a camera at that price point. If they put out a 5Dx at that price point, what will happen to the 40D price point?

Nikon prices make more sense than Nikon(body only): $500 (D40), $700 (D40x), $1,000 (D80), $1,800 (D300), $5,000 (D3). The D300 price is probably an attempt to pull up from the lower end so Nikon can release the D90 at $1,200.

Canon's prices $600 (Rebel), $1,300 (40D), $3,000 (5D), $5,000 (Mark III).

If we do see a D300x, my guess is it won't replace the D300, and will fall into the $2,500 to $3,000 range, right in the middle of the D300 and the D3.
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proudestmonkey said:

Canon may follow Nikon's lead with the D3 and make their full sensor
5Dx more expensive, with more features and better build than the 5D.
In which case, there would be no competitive advantage for a D300fx,
and there is a reason not to do it: cannabilization of D3 sales. I
have to believe Canon is watching all the fervor over the D300 at
$1,800 and wishing they had the pull for a camera at that price
point. If they put out a 5Dx at that price point, what will happen
to the 40D price point?

Nikon prices make more sense than Nikon(body only): $500 (D40), $700
(D40x), $1,000 (D80), $1,800 (D300), $5,000 (D3). The D300 price is
probably an attempt to pull up from the lower end so Nikon can
release the D90 at $1,200.

Canon's prices $600 (Rebel), $1,300 (40D), $3,000 (5D), $5,000 (Mark
III).

If we do see a D300x, my guess is it won't replace the D300, and will
fall into the $2,500 to $3,000 range, right in the middle of the D300
and the D3.
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Nikon does not worry nor play games like Canon does in there camera lines. Look just for an example in the past years. Nikon built the D200 which by many was called a baby D2x, yet Nikon was not conserned about hitting the D2x sales with that camera. Nikon also built the D80 with many of the same feature set of the D200 yet they were not conserned about the sales of the D200.

And finally Nikon built side-by-side the D300 and D3 with similar specs without regards sales. The difference is that cameras like the D2x, D3... have better build quality and are much faster in performance.

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Nick M

in 08 and that probably will cost 5k

and the d3 could cost 4k which would be great!

but yes.... what i dream of is my d300 being about 16meg full frame 8 meg cropped and if the dang af was really what we have in the d3 it would be all over.

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My point is:

Nikon D3 competes up there with the 1Ds MarkII/III, being FF and fast cameras. In my opinion, that's a professional very specific requirements.

There is no competition ragarding Canon 5D: a FF for those who don't require all that speed.

For me canon has 2 offers in the high-end consumer market:
1) 40D for speed and specs, and APS sensor
2) 5D for Full-Frame, the best IQ, but with "regular speed" - 3 fps

Nikon has D300 for the 1st market, but no offer for the 2nd

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rlebreiro said:

My point is:
Nikon D3 competes up there with the 1Ds MarkII/III, being FF and fast
cameras. In my opinion, that's a professional very specific
requirements.
There is no competition ragarding Canon 5D: a FF for those who don't
require all that speed.

For me canon has 2 offers in the high-end consumer market:
1) 40D for speed and specs, and APS sensor
2) 5D for Full-Frame, the best IQ, but with "regular speed" - 3 fps

Nikon has D300 for the 1st market, but no offer for the 2nd

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The same is true in the Canon Market where they have no compairable D300, the only way to get Pro-Features on a Crop camera on the Canon side is to spend some $4500.
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Nick M

It's certainly not crazy to hope and guess.

Personally, I don't really care. I trust Nikon, Canon, and everyone else to do their job producing good good cameras. Their competition drives each other, which in turns drives technology, and we get better and better cameras.

In (hopefully!) 2 years there will be a camera that I'll get to replace my D300 which will set it to shame in terms of IQ, speed, noise, etc.

This is one thing I miss about the film days: Finding one camera that would keep me happy for 10 years.

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rlebreiro said:

I'm I crazy to think of a D300x (Full-Frame) ro rival Canon 5D ?!

Seems to me most people don't need the FF together with the
high-speed of the D3, and certainly not it's weight and size, but a
smaller version, with great noise handling at high-ISOs, together
with those great D300 specs.

Unforntunately if Tom Hogan's preditions for 2008 are correct, we
won't see it in 2008, hopefully in 2009...

Most certainly I think we'll see a 2nd version of the Canon 5D, that
many nikon-guys will be lusting about...

Come on Nikon, do your homework.

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Yes, you are crazy, like most people demanding everything in for their hands customized body format.

Looks like the more top gear people are offered, the more they want and believe they need.

STOP! 99.99% of you never come to a point, where your current camera holds you from taking better pictures. ITS YOU, that needs to improve. Dont waste your time writing about bull, SHOOT PICTURES!!!

PS: sorry for the harsh words, but this forum is the worst I have ever seen on Internet. ((((

I am sure its only a matter of time, might me tuff wit the D3 only costing $5000 and the D300 DX at $1700, got to close to either and you may just be robing Peter to pay Paul.

Canons flagship was/is around $8000, seems like the 5D was "low" enough (slower, lighter build, very different AF) not to steal sales from the big guy and being FF and $3000 was high enough and offered enough to not effect the 30/40D sales

I am sure its coming, but going by how good the build and AF of the D300 are its going to be interesting to see where/how Nikon fits it into the line without taking sales from the D3

regards
Ray

rlebreiro said:

I'm I crazy to think of a D300x (Full-Frame) ro rival Canon 5D ?!

Seems to me most people don't need the FF together with the
high-speed of the D3, and certainly not it's weight and size, but a
smaller version, with great noise handling at high-ISOs, together
with those great D300 specs.

Unforntunately if Tom Hogan's preditions for 2008 are correct, we
won't see it in 2008, hopefully in 2009...

Most certainly I think we'll see a 2nd version of the Canon 5D, that
many nikon-guys will be lusting about...

Come on Nikon, do your homework.

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More than a few friends of mine love golf, not just playing the game, but relaxing talking about golf, watching golf on TV, I dont think any of them have plans on going pro, but again owning $2000-$3000 worth of clubs is part of the attraction.

I like good clothing, I know I am never going to be famous or hang with kings, I also know most people would not know a good suit from a department store brand but I do and it feels good putting on a Brioni suit that actually fits, most people are happy with average or "good enough" I dont think there is anything wrong with appreciating finer things.

I dont think its the game, hobby, or sport only that makes people happy, I think its just as much the pursuit, the searching doing your homework, talking shop with others addicted to the same interests as you its all part of it.

Hey, its not your money, its not hurting anyone and if it brings them/me pleasure whats the problem? I dont see you anywhere around when I am working those 50 hour weeks

regards
Ray

drobcheck said:

STOP! 99.99% of you never come to a point, where your current camera
holds you from taking better pictures. ITS YOU, that needs to
improve. Dont waste your time writing about bull, SHOOT PICTURES!!!

PS: sorry for the harsh words, but this forum is the worst I have
ever seen on Internet. ((((

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well, let me start by saying i partially agree with you:

one has to work with what the market offers and make the best of it, improving our technique

BUT... if the market offers products (like canon 5D) that i think quite fit my needs, and help me improve and get the results i want, it's logical i want nikon ("my brand") to compete w/ it

meanwhile... i keep trying to improve w/ what i have

otherwise, as roy said... it's only lust! O
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Well Said Ray. If people obsessing about camera minutiae is upsetting, then by all means, log off and go take pictures. Nobody here would argue that camera specs are more important than a skilled and inspired photographer!

As long as there continues to be a DX side by side it is fine with me. I have no interest in FF.

drobcheck said:

rlebreiro wrote:
PS: sorry for the harsh words, but this forum is the worst I have
ever seen on Internet. ((((

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rest assured there are many....many worse forums out there
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well at least accroding to some of the people here on this fora - you are crazy for wanting something that the venrable Nikon does not yet offer. how dare you be a demanding customer, how dare you ask them to develop a new product for your specific needs... shut up and go out there and shoot some cats and hockey pucks and stop complaining will ya?!!!

;-)

Of course i'm kidding and you know how much I agree with your point...

Nikon are you listening? give us a D300x and we'll buy them by the bucket loads. I know I for one will not buy either a D3 or a D300 instead... I'd rather keep shooting my 5D.

p.s. - all this pseudo marketing talk about cannibalising D3 sales or D300 sales or whatever, I dont get it. if I buy a D300, a D3 or a D400 FF (or whatever its gonna be called) i'm still giving money to Nikon. how would a midrange FF body cause them to loose revenue is beyond me.

Anyway, merry new Xmas every one

rlebreiro said:

I'm I crazy to think of a D300x (Full-Frame) ro rival Canon 5D ?!

Seems to me most people don't need the FF together with the
high-speed of the D3, and certainly not it's weight and size, but a
smaller version, with great noise handling at high-ISOs, together
with those great D300 specs.

Unforntunately if Tom Hogan's preditions for 2008 are correct, we
won't see it in 2008, hopefully in 2009...

Most certainly I think we'll see a 2nd version of the Canon 5D, that
many nikon-guys will be lusting about...

Come on Nikon, do your homework.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ohcaptain/

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rashomon said:

Nikon are you listening? give us a D300x and we'll buy them by the
bucket loads.

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No, they won't sell by bucket loads. This has been amply demonstrated by the sales of the 5d, even with its constant rebates.

In order to sell at the volume of the d200 or d300, the camera would have to cost the same. You are dreaming if you think that is going to happen.

rashomon said:

I know I for one will not buy either a D3 or a D300
instead... I'd rather keep shooting my 5D.

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Of course, you'll stay with canon anyway, regardless as to what nikon does or doesn't do. So, who cares what you think?

rashomon said:

p.s. - all this pseudo marketing talk about

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Yes, pseudo marketing is what all of you guys are talking about. Not a single one of you runs a big company like nikon, yet you have the audacity to act like you know better how to run their business than they. What absurdity.......

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