*^* Voting Thread : Challenge 108: Low and Wide *^*

...really, places 1 through 10 are equally coveted because you get to be a place getter...and you beat me again....coming in 10th, forcing me to 11th....Arrrrgh!

Beat me into the ground, I'm rolling in the dirt, spittle and drool foaming from my mouth...

LOL

Congratulations to Barry and Mr. Thode, though I loved Tulips, I voted for your daughter and the horse.

Hummmmmm

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
...really, places 1 through 10 are equally coveted because you get to
be a place getter...and you beat me again....coming in 10th, forcing
me to 11th....Arrrrgh!
I'm sorry. I really did my best for you, Trav... I did vote for your wonderful octopus thingy... I dunno know WHY folks liked my classy basketball goal work of art better. grin
Beat me into the ground, I'm rolling in the dirt, spittle and drool
foaming from my mouth...
extends hand to Traveller, pulling him up, and wiping his mouth for him with care

Sorry. embarrassed

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~ Lydia
Life is good... even when it's not.

 
Looking at your posting history, your vote confirmation was your first posting here. That's a mighty fine entrance! Congratulations

You may have figured out how things work , but if not there are lots of people here who will shadow you and make sure everything is set up.

The most important thing is to choose the new topic as we are now in the next challenge period, and depending on your part of the world, it's shooting time.

We have a tiny complication this time around as we need to make sure that the wrong e-mail address for the password doesn't get copied and pasted into the new challenge thread.

Here is Vikas' challenge thread as an example (but it has the wrong email address and links the the previous challenge gallery).

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=25827520

Here is the important message about the incorrect email address.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=25919316

If you need any help, just post a message.

-Najinsky
 
...the real truth is that there are about two dozen of images much, much better than mine.

But what the heck, you can never tell how this voting will go.

On to something serious, what did you really think of Bored in Hell? I am promoting it for a CD cover for a local band, but they prefer a different image of mine from that shoot.

Hummmm

But I really, really like Bored in Hell if I square it up.

There were over 400 views of the image, I think Nico's Cliche is the only image with more views, the ability to draw in more eyeballs...but nary a comment under this picture of mine.

Did you really hate it? Or you just didn't care one way or another?

Curious.

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
Did you really hate it? Or you just didn't care one way or another?
I didn't comment due the adage, if you can't say something nice, say.... ;-)

I broke that rule when I hosted the challenge and wanted to make an honest comment against every entry, but I wasn't under that pressure for this challenge.

The image leaves me cold. Which when you consider it contains a semi-naked pretty lady, well that takes some doing.

The characters offer no presence. The backdrop offers no clues to why that might be. The lighting is harsh on one side and missing on the other leading to graininess, the worst of both worlds. The only interest is that it was you that took the picture, and that makes be wonder what it was you saw.

:-)

-Najinsky
 
...I gave Barry a heads up this morning, and of course you just now laid things out beautifully...but if you win, you've gotta run the next sucker...lol

Hummmmm

Like you Naj, I am eager to go...but, I don't know.

I guess we'll give it a couple of more hours, but that Barry would win has been obvious for more than a day now.

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
...I suppose I saw in it a state of mind, a social way of being, a way people actually may be in their Souls...

I still like it...but maybe something bright and happy will be better.

But I sincerely appreciate the response.

Really.

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
many terrific images... good to see newbies in the top places.

Thanks for the great topic Vikas

... and Barry ... we anxiously await your choice of topic ( no pressure intended... ;-) )

As a new poster in this challenge you probably will have some concerns about what needs to be done and when? If so, just indicate in this forum and people will come forth and mult..... ooops ..... I mean.... assist! ;-)

Congratulations again on a great winning entry.

Regards Bob
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MelBob
 
,what did you really think of Bored in Hell?>
Did you really hate it? Or you just didn't care one way or another?
Oh gosh, Trav... You really wanna know? Gee... I don't like it at all. I was thinking "must be a guy thing..."

I'm sorry. It seems like a snapsnot... the red eyes, the thing in her mouth... the stuff in the foreground that doesn't add to the photo... I dunno. Seems like the only thing going there is the boobs... and I'm not impressed with them, having some of my own... wink

cringe
I HATE to say bad stuff. I'm a positive sort of folk. sigh But, you did ask... heavy sigh

And.. .while I have you here. grin I think it was Lee who nudged you out cheating like he did with kids and animals thing at the last few minutes of the entry period. grin NOBODY oughta be low enough to add a kid and animal photo at the last minute like he did. grin That's just a LOW BLOW!

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~ Lydia
Life is good... even when it's not.

 
...and maybe a little insulting to the subjects, which is an inherent part of...of either the image and maybe even the intent.

But the picture spoke to me...of what it was...and in that sense it was true and important to me.

I saw it as Hieronymus Bosch-like

But maybe only to me...lol

Best Wishes, Travelller
 
Some really fine photos in this challenge. I was blown away. Never got around to doing an eligible one. But was I impressed by those who did! And I enjoyed the ride from first to second to first to second in exhibition. Jim, I don't mind losing to yours at all. I voted for it myself. Beautiful shot. And I even know where and when it is as I live about half an hour away from the Skagit Valley. Great work everybody. and thanks to those who voted for mine. :)
Ann
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Photography:
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
 
I particularly like the Jung quote:

The master of the monstrous... the discoverer of the unconscious.
-- Carl Gustav Jung, on Hieronymus Bosch

at the WebMuseum Paris

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bosch/

I fully understand it would be usurping to try to even put something of mine in that category...but I would like to try...so I'll try harder.

Hummmm

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
...you love it.

And I was sitting, half reaching up when I shot it...so it was, relatively speaking, low for me.

But I am with this criticism...I understand, (and agree to a degree)

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
...I've been checking for e-mail addresses, moving down the line as people placed in the current Challenge.

You never know when you might need this...and tomorrow morning (?), sometime, someone is going to have to make a decision on what to do if Barry doesn't check in...and I find no address for him.

Likewise, ydodia for Pit Stop or John for Cape Cod...Kelly however does have an e-mail address.

I'm out of here tomorrow for a couple of days and I would like to know the topic before I leave.

How long do we wait...as I think about it, I can check back here on a wireless connection.

Best Wishes, Traveller
 
Normally, we really don't care much about the exact file size. Mostly, we just want it to look decent, but be as small as practical for web posting.

But the very same program has other parts to it that allow for very fine increments of compression, and moreover, the size of the file displayed ends up being reasonably accurate in those other sections of the same program.

To me, it's just bad programming to end up with a calculation error like that. If we were estimating something based on hand calculations, it'd make sense to take shortcuts and allow for a certain amount of "slop". But this is a computer program. We've got enough computing power in our PCs to do the really hard stuff involved in photo editing. There is no reason not to take advantage of that horsepower and make the file size calculations accurate.

As a programmer, I just find it somewhat odd that you'd put code in one part of a program that works well and then go to the trouble of creating new and different code for a different part of the program that doesn't work properly. I really believe that these different parts of the program must have been written by different people and that they do not, for some reason, share bits of code between each other.

When I write a program, there is no reason to ever take shortcuts in the coding that results in inaccurate calculations. Since you only need to write the algorithm once, it pays to do it right that one time so that the calculations will be done correctly over and over as people use the program. This is not a place to worry about saving steps in the calculation because, as I say, you only need to write it once. After that, the computer is basically a slave. It will dutifully perform those tedious calculations over and over without complaint. So shortcuts that we'd use when hand calculating things have no place in a program IMO.

And two points:

While we normally don't worry about file sizes much, in this case, with a restriction of 150K, and the imperative to make our shots look as good as possible, most of us take a lot of pride in every detail. And one of those details ends up being the compression of the file. It's just one of the many aspects of this challenge. And it's part of the fun.

Next, I've seen you question why we'd care about having the EXIF intact. But there are two good reasons for it.

First, PBase automatically reads the EXIF in a file and inserts the date for the shot and some of the camera and shooting information. Since, to qualify for Eligible, the shot must have been taken within the challenge period, and it must have been taken with a Canon DSLR, having the EXIF intact automatically fills those fields out for us. So it's a time saver.

Second, since this is a photo exhibition and challenge for fellow photographers, most of us are really interested in how various effects have been achieved. This is not just an art exhibit aimed at the general public who might rightly have no interest in the technicalities of how a shot was created.

One of the best things about these challenges is that we learn so much from each other. People often go to a great deal of trouble to post very well made tutorials describing exactly how they've done some of their shots. If someone asks, they usually get a very amazing level of explanation.

And even though I grew up shooting film when we had no EXIF, the fact remains that it IS interesting to me to be able to see what settings were used for a shot. Don't imagine that the participants here are fools who think that they can just use the same settings as they see for some shot to get the exact same effect. Instead, think of how having every bit of data can still be of interest.

I might look at a shot and think: "Thats got great DOF and yet everything looks very sharp. If they used a very small aperture, I'd expect more diffraction issues, but here, we've got great DOF and sharpness. Gee, I wonder what aperture they did use."

Or I might think: "That shot looks very clean with no noise. Yet the lighting seems difficult. I wonder how they did that?" And then I right click the shot, view the EXIF, and find that they shot at a very long shutter speed. So then I know that they did use a low ISO, but must've used a tripod and long exposure to get the effect.

I could go on and on. But the fact is that there are a lot of reasons to want the EXIF data. And particularly for these challenges, people greatly appreciate being able to know everything they can about the shots. This is not a website just showing off photos to non-photographers. Nor is this me emailing a shot of my brother to my aunt. It's a set of galleries aimed, in great part, at other photographers in a spirit of learning and teaching. So if I don't include the EXIF, I feel like I'm shortchanging our fellow challengers. I want to see the EXIF, so I figure other challengers may too.

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Jim H.
 
... and thank you so very much everyone who voted for me .. :) I am on seventh sky right now .. this is so unbelievable .. I am pinching myself ..time and again to believe my image came in second (I feel bad beating #3 by 0.1 :( ..sorry John, I feel for you man.. :) ) ..I frankly did not expect my entry to do well ..so this is an extremely pleasant surprise ....:D ( I am celebrating and talking as if I came in first ..:P, but thats how happy I am.. )

There are so many worthy images in this gallery and to be considered in top 3 is a real honour .. thank you very very much everyone... Cape Cod, Drug Overdose, Black Friday and many others in my opinion were better entries than mine ...congratulations to you guys as well ..

Trav, sorry for being late to the party again, please let me know if you need me to do anything .. this is so new and unexpected ..am still in a state of shock .. :D

Cheers,
Yuvraj
 
This is the first I've heard of flickr email. And I've had an account there for quite some time. Do you suppose I have a stack of mail waiting that I've never seen? People probably think I'm ignoring them!

There is a private messaging thing built into WikiSpaces that I was unaware of for quite some time and when someone pointed it out to me in one of the threads, I finally checked it and found that I'd been rudely ignoring a lot of people for many months.

Now I wonder if I'm guilty of the same thing at Flickr!

We'll keep an eye out and see what happens with Barry. Hopefully, he'll see this and we can help him get things set up. Like you say, getting the galleries all going isn't that pressing. What we all really salivate for is to know the new theme :)

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Jim H.
 

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