IS vs VR: image stabilization vs vibration reduction test info

Darrrell W. Whitten

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I am deciding between an EOS 10D and a D100. My primary lens will be either the 28-135 IS or the 24-120 VR for the Canon or Nikon, resepctively.

Does anyone know of objective tests that compare the perfomances of the two lenses?

I would appreciate your advice.

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I don't have any hard data, but I've used both in a short time.

To cut to the chase: IS/VR seemed equal. Both stabilize the pictures in amazing shutter speeds. I haven't noticed ANY difference at all regarding this issue.

Unfortunately my Canon 28-135 was optically a lemon. The local Canon service changed the bayonet, but it still took totally out of focus pics. I ended up changing the 10D and lenses to Fuji S2 and Nikkors.

Beware! Double check the focusing, if you decide to buy it. A stationary test is not enough, although it also demonstrated the problem, but you need to take many real life pictures. Check that the focus is always on the money - if many pics are soft and some sharp, reject the lens.

Ravalls
 
I am deciding between an EOS 10D and a D100. My primary lens will
be either the 28-135 IS or the 24-120 VR for the Canon or Nikon,
resepctively.
I don't know what are the technical difference between both
technologies. But, as an all-round lens, I would definetely prefer
the D100/24-120VR over the 10D/28-135. The reason is simple:
wide-angle reach. Never forget the crop factors of these camera's!

Wideangle reach:
D100: 24mm x 1.5 = "36mm FF equivalent"
10D : 28mm x 1.6 = "45mm FF equivalent"

To me, this is a big difference. It's the difference between being
usable as an all-round lens and not being usable.

If you would go for the 10D, the 17-40L lens is an excellent lens
with a reasonable price that personally I would prefer over the 28-135.
The 10D/27-40L is a very nice team.

Vtie
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I have read a magazine article in the UK (months ago) suggesting the Nikon's VR is more effective than Canon's IS at combating the shakes. The writer felt that VR effectively gave 3 stops, whereas IS is effective for 2 stops.

Needless to say, it was the writer's subjective view being put forward. AND it was a magazine, and we all know we should read the press with a supply of salt to hand.

Now, I wonder how Sigma's OS performs on a Nikon or Fuji body. I have a feeling there will be little difference.

Ray
I am deciding between an EOS 10D and a D100. My primary lens will
be either the 28-135 IS or the 24-120 VR for the Canon or Nikon,
resepctively.

Does anyone know of objective tests that compare the perfomances of
the two lenses?

I would appreciate your advice.

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DWW
 
I had this lens during my Canon Film days.
It was the best lens I ever owned, and it gives excellent value for the money.

As per the cameras or the Nikon Lens, I can't give an opinion there.

One thing though: after being 1 year on the Nikon system, I can say that
Canon lenses seem to be better (and over the years, I had a few of them)
and there is a much wide offering.
 
I would expect similar performance; it all depends on how it is implemented but I am pretty sure Canon buys their stepper motors from Nikon.
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Mike Parker
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Darrrell W. Whitten:

Here's a link to Nikon's information on it's VR:

http://nikonimaging.com/global/technology/vr/index.htm

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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)


I am deciding between an EOS 10D and a D100. My primary lens will be
either the 28-135 IS or the 24-120 VR for the Canon or Nikon,
resepctively.

Does anyone know of objective tests that compare the perfomances of
the two lenses?

I would appreciate your advice.

--
DWW
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DWW
 
I suspect there if very little if any difference in the Canon or Nikon form of stabilization. They just call it different names. I do have a comment on your body choice though. I have a D100 and it is a fine camera but image quality has been advanced in the newer models. For what I have seen D100's offered for you might be able to pick up a new d40 for close to the same money and get better image quality. Especially if you might ever need higher iso's, the difference gets greater the higher you go.
 
I suspect there if very little if any difference in the Canon or
Nikon form of stabilization. They just call it different names.
Patent seaches reveal your suspicions to appear unfounded.
No, "VR" and "IS" are not identical technologies.

Nikon, Canon, and others all hold various patents relating to this
issue. You have to look into details of each to see how
they differ. Nikon made a big deal about how it alone provided
final centering of the optical axis immediately before exposure.
Apparently this is important (or they want you to think it is :-).

For VR, start with Nikon's own publication about this, noting in
particular the last line in my citation below:

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/about/technology/nikon_technology/vr_e/index.htm

Nikon's VR System changes operation algorithms when the shutter
release button is lightly pressed and during exposure. Therefore,
when the shutter release button is lightly pressed, the VR lens
gives you a smooth viewfinder image. During the exposure,
however, the algorithm changes to compensate for every slight
movement. What's more, just before exposure, the VR lens will
reset to central position (optical axis) from an off-centered
position which is a result of VR operation during the shutter
release button is lightly pressed. Since the shift amount of
the VR lens is limited, this operation maximizes VR effects as
well as optical performance.

--> Only Nikon has this "Centering Before Exposure" feature. (Fig. 3)

To more understand just what they're talking through, you need to
read through Nikon's patent for this technology, a portion of which
I cite in detail here:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5805937-description.html

After the ON states of the switches S1 and S2 are confirmed (S107:
Yes, S108: Yes), a centering operation of the VR lens 21 is
performed (S109) to continue the first VR control (S110). In the
centering operation the center of the VR lens 21 is positioned at a
predetermined initial position so as to assure the maximum driving
range of the VR lens 21. In this embodiment, the VR lens 21 is
positioned, so that its center agrees with the optical axis of the
image taking optical system.

Immediately after the first VR control is started, exposure is
started by driving a quick return mirror, stop, shutter, and the
like (S111). After an elapse of a predetermined period of time, the
exposure is ended by driving the shutter, stop, quick return mirror,
and the like again (S112). After the end of the exposure, the VR
operation is stopped (S113), and power supply to the respective
sensors is also stopped (S114). In addition, the VR lens is reset
(S115), thus ending a series of image taking operations.

[...]

In general, since the amplitude of vibrations is small in the high
frequency range and is large in the intermediate and low frequency
ranges, even when the second VR control that does not reduce
vibrations in the high frequency range is performed, vibration
reduction errors during the second VR control are small. Therefore,
in this embodiment, when the vibration reduction control method is
switched to the first VR control mode thereafter, normal vibration
reduction with high precision can be performed again within a
sufficiently very short period of time in practice.

Note that the recognition performance, upon observing an object
image on the finder, of the photographer is normally lower than that
upon observing a still picture. Therefore, like in this embodiment,
if vibrations of only intermediate and low frequency components are
to be reduced in a non-exposure state, i.e., when the photographer
observes an image on the finder, the photographer does not
practically feel it.

So IR and VR are not identical technologies. But do differing technologies
provide identical results? That's perhaps the more important question,
and now I don't know. Maybe they do, but quite possibly they do not. You
wouldn't think they would, given how convergence and equivalence are much
less common than their absence; different inputs provide different outputs.

I know no reliable, 3rd-party testing standard that can tell how "good"
each one is at what they are trying to do and in which circumstances.
If you expect 4 stops at 300mm, can you really expect the same at 20mm?
I don't think so. The same tech may not do the same thing across all
focal lengths.

All accounts do suggest that Nikon's second-generation VR system, dubbed VR
II, is more effective than its older models, by at least 1 and perhaps 2
stops. However, accounts vary.

Probably it depends at least in part on how good the sniper/marksman skills
of the tester are. What all changed between generations of Nikon's VR?
Probably several things. There may well be additional patents involved.

And this is just talking about optical measures in the lens proper, not
sensor alignment as non-optical and/or non-analogue companies sometimes
provide in their bodies (although Nikon did it first). This would seem
especially important for predictive AF tracking (birds in flight; sports;
etc) in long glass.

VR and IS both attempt to effect the same result using somewhat different
technologies. Only speaking vaguely can you say they're same sort of thing.
Speaking with precision, they are not. Also, Nikon is using the more
honest term here; it's VR, not IS. You'd think no harm would come of this,
but it has. Toy-camera makers who apply high shutter-speeds with negligent
ISO-pushes and call it (digital) image stabilization, pretending it's all
the same when it's anything but.

--tom
 

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