This forum becoming useless: moving elsewhere!

Lucridders: I would be very interested to see some of your photographic work. Do you have anything online somewhere that you would care to share with us? Perhaps you could show the rest of us what sort of picture you like or something you have done that you are pleased with?

Is really not interesting what kind of pictures I like. That is a personal question. I will never say that mine are as they has to be. I saw on the internet already lots of people making pictures much better than I can do.

As told, I am interested in the capabilities a cam can do. And here I like to see real tests and shots done in real live.

I had also lots of trouble with my GX100, so I sold it and bought an other, just to check if the first one was made on a Monday or not.
You have to judge of coorse in a neutral way, not pre-occupied by some brand.

One weekend a year, we do an open door here in the club and one of the things we ask from people is the following:

Tell us what kind of photographs you like the most. We put all pictures togehter and put a number on it. So, they have to write down the numbers from the pictures they like the most.

We make the pictures all the same, same view, same settings (all to 0) and shooting. Simple as that.

Than you see very amazing results and last time we had during those two days 834 people who came to do so.

A good test, believe me.

Reading this I see that the title of this thread is even more appropriate than when I first wrote it.

—Mitch/Bangkok
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/

Yes, you are right Mitch.
Mitch before you leave, I will give you a good advise.
A simple rule to know if a picture is good.

It is not good when someone is telling you "Great shot", "Well done", "Thanks for sharing".

No no Mitch, a good picture is a picture when nobody can say that it is bad, than at least you will have maybe the chance that it can be really good.
Understood?

Tony

Mitch is a teacher not a learner

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Tom Caldwell

TonyGamble said:

a London museum/gallery. Am I not right in thinking these shot from
the hip snapshots display the same lack of forethought?

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If you're talking about the entire genre then I'd say it's not any different from any other style of photography where you shoot things that are out of your control; if you know the type of shot you want you wait for it to happen so it's not very "from the hip". Whether you think individual photographers put any thought into it is another matter.

Yes, something that really uppsets me is the ignorant people that insists on giving lessons about what they don't know a damn thing.

When someone dislike the realization of others, is so easy to take their value away with disdain to their work. What problem do you people have in letting others be happy with their work???? What did they do to deserve such a treatment???? Why do "conservative" personal concepts needs to refuse anything that goes out of their limits????

If someone considerer itself artist, why not? What's the definition of art that says who can or who cannot???? It's part of the human nature! So let it be!!!

Just think about Art History and how many cases of artists that were misunderstood! Just think if they had to deal with trolls like this, sistematicaly imposing their ignorance!

This is an open forum, so why in the hell we must stand the same talk about what one single person wants and consideres valid???????

Please, one more time, let people have fun, in their own. You are here about a few weeks, there's some people here since a few years. Why do you think you have the only truth??? What's the need for such a quest for such a little thing????

Get a life, and let others live their own!
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Rui
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruinog/sets/

Art is very subjective and especially today everything can be art or not. So how about the people that complain street photography is not art show us some pictures they consider art? Especially Luccriders has been asked numerous times to show any pictures he took but in all his "wisdom" he never posted a single image so we can all learn from it.

As I see it the majority here (me included) like Mitch's pictures and the way her processes them. His comments about cameras are a valid assesment whether you like his style or not. I go as far and say that everybodys comments are valid as long as they are not misleading or plain wrong and here's where Lucridders comes in and while his comments are valid some times and I can agree with him other times he is just plain wrong and worse ignorant.

From Wikipedia on Art:

"Generally art is a (product of) human activity, made with the intention of stimulating the human senses as well as the human mind; by transmitting emotions and/or ideas. Beyond this description, there is no general agreed-upon definition of art, since defining the boundaries of "art" is subjective."

So we can all agree that with this in mind everything can and IS art but this is subjective to every person.

And street photography is not against the law, in no country that can cal itself halfway civilized.

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http://picasaweb.google.com/Cristian.Sorega
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cristiansorega

Well, first i must say that i regret that this forum is not moderated a bit heavier to at least warn people like you that their behaviour is childisch, disturbing, and far worse, it is mis-informing new and potential buyers of a camera.

Of course you will have an answer to me, surely you will feel you are the most clever one here, and the only one that is right.

Well, that's like with pictures: it is not because you tell yourself that you are the best that makes you the best.

So just sit down, and just ask yourself for two minutes if you could be wrong, ask yourself if your behaviour on this forum is kind and friendly, ask yourself if your contributions were really positive.

It seems that many people here have a clear opinion on your way of acting.

Secondly, if you are the making us believing what you write here (i had trouble with ...camera, and bought a second one just to see if... etc), either you are trolling, or you need some medical help.

Just for your information, i give medical help to people 5 days per week, and i recocnize which people could need medical help.

I wish you the best, but just take my word for it: many people here would prefer seeing mitch staying with us, an you to leave.

Tim

Lucridders said:

I had also lots of trouble with my GX100, so I sold it and bought an
other, just to check if the first one was made on a Monday or not.
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A good test, believe me.

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I have read Lucridders posts until now and genuinely tried to see the postive or even the funny side in them. However, I can see he is posting in nearly every single thread, always with similar rather offensive and too often unreasonable comments. My conclusion is, especially after his posts in the present thread, that his main interest is not to discuss cameras here, but to attract attention.

And - I must admit - he is succeeding brilliantly! People respond seriously to his most stupid comments, there is a heated discussion going on in various threads about his behaviour, people attach permanent messages about him to their posts, or are even considering to leave this forum because of him. What more can he ask for?

I find it a great pity for this forum that many of us let them disturb so much by a single person. It probably shows more about ourselves than about Lucridders. I believe, if the moderator does not want to remove him, there is only one way: Act! If you don't like his posts, don't answer them, don't discuss them, don't dicuss his behaviour, don't attach repeated messages about him to your posts and don't leave the forum because of him in a melodramatic way. If you want to do something, just do it, don't talk about it. Then the "problem" will resolve by itself.

Report his individual posts.
Contact site admin to request competent moderation of the forums.

This site needs our eyeballs to click on paid advertising links, if we are not here, the site's potential income goes down. Pointing this out to site admins might wake them up. Then, again, it probably won't!

Richard/Drafi:

I agree, but I took a very pessimistic view of people actually acting on this when I saw so many posts saying, "I don't see what he did that is wrong". You can of course join us in the other forum, which has some good discussions going, including comparisons of GRD2/GX100/GRD files:

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=32

BTW, lucridders has become a member of this other forum, which perhaps in an indication of his orientation; but he has not yet, to my knowledge, posted anything. If he continues with the misinformation and nonsense that he's posted here, he'll simply be banned there because that forum is closely and, I believe, intelligently moderated. There are now many good and active participants.

—Mitch/Bangkok
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/

The new Forum, will it talk about cams or about pictures people are posting all the time. (Stuff all the time to convince that they are importan).
When about cams, I have to say a lot as this is technical.

When it is made for posting one pic after the other with the same look and PP, it will not be worth a lot.

Morning to everyone and just wanted to add a few small comments . You are all welcome to join and we have no issues with that and welcome you with open arms. Tariq little surprised by your comment of me but the fact is i refuse to be insulted for any or no reason and will defend myself when i need to BUT i will also do that for others as well . i will NOT tolerate rudeness and insults thrown at people or as Mitch says you will be gone in short order. Here is our mission statement and how we will moderate the forum
"A place to exchange ideas, techniques, experiences AND images,
where the discussions are fun, respectful and geared toward the goal of
helping each other improve all aspects of our photography."

Frankly it is the friendliest forums i have been on and i own it to boot. It's about learning and sharing and that is the bottom line. Have a great day
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GUY

Tariq i was never banned for what i ever said. Far from it. If you want the real answer just send a e-mail. Please don't guess at these things because you simply have it all wrong. Enjoy the day
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GUY

What may prove to be the most interesting thing about the GetDPI forums is that there is open discussion of ideas but enforced rules of civility with respect to how people treat each other within those discussions. This has been needed on the web for a long time and very few sites have been willing or able to do the moderation needed to have it happen. Almost all discussion sites ask for respectful behavior from their participants but few can really make sure it happens.

That's my sense of things at GetDPI so far.

Cheers,

Sean

Thanks Sean and it will stay that way there is NO need for not being respectful to someone no matter how much you may disagree on something. Everyone has a opinion be it right or wrong but there is no need to be hurtful or not respectful of others. I been on these forums for a long time and frankly i want a place that has some peace to it so Jack and I did it ourseleves to insure it.
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GUY

Big words from a couple of guys that have not posted on this forum. The statements are look guys this is not a good forum as you don't know how to behave come to our forum and we will teach you, As long as you join the boys club and do as we say.. as Guy says because "I own it"

The same script repeats itself on other forums, posting again all of a sudden on DPR just as his forum has started. You would be better served guys by just posting on your new baby
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blink and remember.................. http://www.etrouko.com
http://www.artouko.com/

Thank you for the link. I'm sure there will be interesting conversations there. I personally prefer less heavily moderated forums as a general rule. The worst thing to me is when an overzealous and opinionated moderator starts closing and erasing good discussions for no good reason. I'm not suggesting that this will happen with GetDPI, but I'm always wary of forums that promise quick action from the moderators. At any rate. it sounds as though it will be a good fit for you and some others. Like I said, thanks for the link, and I'll be happy to check it out.

So far, GetDPI forum has been objective, informative, and most important to me - civil. I think what it comes down to: If you can't behave in a civil manner, then there is no use for you in a civilized forum. Opinions are fine, just state them as such. Facts are great also, just check them twice before posting. And, please show some photography / images - then, accept constructive criticism and give the same to others. This way, we all learn and grow.

Take care.

Mark T.