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Nikon D3 and Oly E-3 direct comparison pair

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Is sharper than that. It makes me wonder if the IS and highspeed don't mix may have merit.

I want to make clear- I am not trying to attack/discredit the OP, just trying to offer a reasonable explanation why his E-3 results seem so different in the detail that I am capturing with mine (this text not directed at you OM4).

Personally I like the color on the Olympus more, and I think the white balance is better, but that's hard to tell without seeing the original scene. I certainly expect the D3 to be better overall, I also think that the new lenses Nikon just came out for their FF format (FX) will be designed to take into account FF issues (specifically since they are new and designed for FX), so they would avoid a legacy Canon lens + Canon 5D issue (when the 5D came out). I just think the E-3 can get better detail than the one shown, as evidenced by what me and others are getting.
OM4ever said:
Did you look at the full size still lifes? The E3 version sharpened
well for me .
Jan
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
ACR is so hit/miss depending on the camera brand/model... but then so is almost every raw converter (except the branded ones designed for their cameras).

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Louis_Dobson said:
It is a completely valueless test (with all due respect to the OP)
because no effort has been made to make each camera give of its best.
We have off WB and both files developed in ACR (whcih the Oly hates,
and the Nikon may be less than happy with too).

My D3 arrives Tuesday, and unlike the OP I will be keeping both it
and the E3. When I have completely mastered them both, we'll play
this game again, showing off what they can really do.
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I don't get you, you seem to want to be riding a quite the high horse lately. Your laughable comment on "ex cathedra" DR talk on the e-510 (without providing any shots whatsoever, months late after I had already showed photos with the same lens side to side to the e-330 and the e-410), then the whole "Only shoot at ISO 100 for real IQ" (which derides decades of "noisy" photography that hangs in museum walls that would laugh at the images you have shown in your entire history of dpreview), while somehow selectively narrowing your selection to Olympus in spite of this very important issue to you - without considering other options that- if that's what you really want- at least at many times- that would probably do better and the suggestion that apparently you only hold the keys to unlock the E-3's and D-3's full potential while we are supposed to wait for you no less when you have mastered both so you can show us all how the game is really played.

Be careful with the horse, I mean, little pony- that you are riding man :-)
Louis_Dobson said:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
I definitively confused this with the other E-3 vs D300 shot post when writting that.
David Kilpatrick said:
Raist3d said:
You just never know unless you try them all who is best for what. As
far as image quality goes I have found Oly Studio is still the best
for (surprise) Olympus Cameras. This is why I think the D3 deserves a
Capture NX try.
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Please read the original post again. The conversions use Studio 2 and
Capture NX. They are NOT ACR 4.3.1 conversions.

David

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Olyinaz said:
Raist3d said:
ACR/Lightroom still introduce digital artifacts from lower light
shots from all the versions I have tried in all the Oly cameras (this
could vary from Nikon/Canon/etc). I will try the very latest at some
point, but I Don't expect any changes there.
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Why not when the E-3 is specifically mentioned in the latest update?
I have found updates of the ACR code that Adobe products use to make
major changes in past - why should we expect that they wont improve
going forward?
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Because the issues I have seen of digital artifacting in ACR spanned many many versions and I always expected them to be fixed "in that next version" but that never came. I am not talking about the digital artifacts in the post on the E-3 vs D300 but something else, dating back to e-300, through e-330, and even some versions of this year's LightRoom.

But I certainly could be wrong. Maybe it did change, so I'll check it out when I can :-)
Olyinaz said:
Oly
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Teera said:
No, I never test using IS on tripod or at very highspeed. But some
people has shown results that confirm that IS may (very slightly)
degraded pics when using in that circumstances. Nikon's manual also
stated that one should not use VR function when camera is on a tripod.
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Remember: there's a discrepancy in detail that is still unexplained, with that shot and others.

But your join date sure speaks for itself.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
David Kilpatrick said:
True, but no matter what, it will never really be possible to have
identical lenses.
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I agree. It's a common problem with this kind of comparison. Even if the reviewer uses each manufacture's lens that is equivalent to 50mm at 135mm perspective, there will still remain differences unless the lenses each have the exactly same performance (e.g. MTF). In this respect, I wish third party lens manufacturers offered the same-performance lens for every mount.
 
over all, and I don't expect the lenses to be as good. What I expect from the Nikon is:

1) "Respectability" for clients who have never heard of Oly.
2) 12MP for stock agencies who demand it.
3) Very sophisticated C-AF and silly frame rates for action stuff.
4) Good low light abilities.
5) Exceptional DR for HDR.

Beyond that, I expect the Oly to have better IQ from 14 to 24 (7-14 is exceptional), the Nikon to be equal 24-70 (the Nikkor 24-70 really IS built to do FF, it is enormous and costs a bomb), and the Oly to lead again 70mm up (the Nikkor 70-200 is nothing that special on FF, and it stops at 200).

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
 
...from the highly controlled test images at imaging-resource. Something is very wrong here.
 
joe bloutner said:
Raist3d said:
Remember: there's a discrepancy in detail that is still unexplained,
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I explained it precisely.
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You didn't. And you dont' even have the camera. Sorry. Anyway, no point arguing with a Troll. You are clearly trying to get over a ban.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
I only think the FX lenses will be good because I get the impression Nikon has stricter quality control than another famous brand - right now - in their latest stuff coming out. As for better or not, I woudln't be surprised if they are as good, a tiny bit better or a tiny bit worse.

On the AF, the big question I have is whether the AF unit of the D3 is the same as the D300 or not. If it is, then the E-3 may very well have better AF than the D3 if several resports other than Olympu's own claim are anything to go by.
Louis_Dobson said:
over all, and I don't expect the lenses to be as good. What I expect
from the Nikon is:

1) "Respectability" for clients who have never heard of Oly.
2) 12MP for stock agencies who demand it.
3) Very sophisticated C-AF and silly frame rates for action stuff.
4) Good low light abilities.
5) Exceptional DR for HDR.

Beyond that, I expect the Oly to have better IQ from 14 to 24 (7-14
is exceptional), the Nikon to be equal 24-70 (the Nikkor 24-70 really
IS built to do FF, it is enormous and costs a bomb), and the Oly to
lead again 70mm up (the Nikkor 70-200 is nothing that special on FF,
and it stops at 200).

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Louis_Dobson said:
have finally fixed ACR for Oly. That's a pest, because ACR needs XP,
which I'm desperately trying to avoid upgrading to!
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I kept to Win 2000 for a longish while after XP came out but then switched to XP Pro after SP1 came out. Never looked back. With SP2, XP is even better, although the first thing you'll have to do is to inhume Windows Firewall with extreme prejudice. And turn off the complete "Security Center" thingy. Install your own firewall and anti-virus.

Besides, you can switch to Windows Classic look and you'll almost never notice you're not running Win 2000. Except where XP is better. My sister still runs Win 2000 and when I have to do something for her computer, I wonder how Win 2000 is kludgy and awkward.

Vista, now, is something different. I've got the installation disks for both 32- and 64-bit versions and they are sitting on the shelf, waiting for a SP... :-)
 
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