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I agree that the D30 isn't perfect, as nothing really is. I shoot mostly in low-light and although the AF is slower than I might like, it just forces you to be creative.

Seems like a lot of people are too "spec" oriented and looking to do things the "right" way. I don't dig when other photogs are always asking me about my equipment and half the time, I don't know some of the terms they are using, but the bottom line is you work with what you have and you should enjoy it!

I've got some of my stuff (all D30) posted to my gallery here in case you all want to take a look and ream me:

http://www.orangephotography.com/genex/index.jsp

Thanks,
gene
Stephen Cook said:
Did that qualify as a rant? I'm sorry if it did, David, and I'm
not ranting at you. I thoroughly enjoy your input into this forum,
but it's an excellent camera.

Take care and keep clickin.
DavidP said:
That all depends on what you're trying to shoot, and what
percentage of the shots you need to be sharp, and just HOW sharp
you need them.

The D-30 certainly has its problems in certain situations.
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I like the party photos best. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you've had some formal design training. The Cantina photo is my favorite, although the untitled one of people dancing with the light blue background is also very strong. All of the party photos capture a state of mind as well as a physical scene.

Your physique photos are compositionally very good, but the color balance seems a little off to me. I know that the tan in a bottle that some of the bodybuilders use can give an orangish hue to the skin, but I suspect that they were using some kind of unusual color stage lighting. I find indoor stage lighting very difficult to shoot in.

Just a suggestion, but have you considered taking some of the physique photos to monochrome and maybe increasing the contrast and brightness slightly? I think they'd make dynamite Black and Whites.

Like your work a lot. It's compositionally strong, shows you know how to handle a camera, and when I look at them, I don't think, "yeah, I've seen that photo before."

Keep clickin.
 
A year or two and 1d's will be selling for $100 on Ebay.

-Craig
Andrew Grant said:
1) in many ways the D30 does match or exceed film.

2) I am not sure what EOS film camera you use, but the D60 will
probably still have consumer body AF performance.

Perhaps you should do waht a freind of mine did. He bought a D30
refrub and is waiting a year or two for the 1D price to decline.
Allan Rossmore said:
I am in the same boat as he is. I have Canon EOS film cameras and a
number of lenses, including several "L" lenses, and I want to learn
more about digital. I find it exciting in its possibilities, but I
am not ready either to buy a camera that does not yet match film
(D30) or one that will bankrupt me (1D). I use scanners to digitize
my work now. I mostly do it for enjoyment but have made signiicant
sales which have paid for some of my equipment.Also, if I am going
to spring for $3,000 for a camera, then I want to be SURE that its
autofocus will do what I need to do, as my work is primarily
aviation action photography, where aircraft are moving at very high
speeds. At present, my film cameras will follow focus these
subjects. Fromm what I have heard, I could not be sure that the D30
could do this. Let's see what the next generation after the D30
will do.

Allan Rossmore
Blake Stone said:
You're assuming that everyone here already has a D30, which is
likely far from the truth. I started to research digital SLR
alternatives last fall, and a purchase decision was far from
pressing. It's a hobby for me, like many here. Whether or not my
photographs impress anyone here isn't all that important to me.
I'm learning as much about the technology as the art, so I'm
curious about every new product, whether or not I intend to own one.

As it happens, the D60 is one product I'm seriously considering
buying, but even if I do buy it I'm still going to plan for the
future. I'd like to know at what rate sensor sizes are continuing
to grow, because it would affect my choices when investing in
lenses. I'd like to know if the Foveon technology shows promise,
because it might mean delaying my purchase decision another
generation.

Please accept the fact that not everyone uses the forums for the
same purpose. You're waiting for samples from talented
photographers and posts from people looking to master their
existing equipment. I'm eager for news about what choices I'll
have when I decide to take the plunge. We both have to wade
through a lot of material that may or may not interest us, but the
gems tend to be worth the effort.
  • Blake Stone
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Craig Strong said:
A year or two and 1d's will be selling for $100 on Ebay.

-Craig
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Nope, it'll hold its value. The Kodak DCS 560's (canon body) are still selling used for almost 5 grand.
Craig Strong said:
Andrew Grant said:
1) in many ways the D30 does match or exceed film.

2) I am not sure what EOS film camera you use, but the D60 will
probably still have consumer body AF performance.

Perhaps you should do waht a freind of mine did. He bought a D30
refrub and is waiting a year or two for the 1D price to decline.
Allan Rossmore said:
I am in the same boat as he is. I have Canon EOS film cameras and a
number of lenses, including several "L" lenses, and I want to learn
more about digital. I find it exciting in its possibilities, but I
am not ready either to buy a camera that does not yet match film
(D30) or one that will bankrupt me (1D). I use scanners to digitize
my work now. I mostly do it for enjoyment but have made signiicant
sales which have paid for some of my equipment.Also, if I am going
to spring for $3,000 for a camera, then I want to be SURE that its
autofocus will do what I need to do, as my work is primarily
aviation action photography, where aircraft are moving at very high
speeds. At present, my film cameras will follow focus these
subjects. Fromm what I have heard, I could not be sure that the D30
could do this. Let's see what the next generation after the D30
will do.

Allan Rossmore
Blake Stone said:
You're assuming that everyone here already has a D30, which is
likely far from the truth. I started to research digital SLR
alternatives last fall, and a purchase decision was far from
pressing. It's a hobby for me, like many here. Whether or not my
photographs impress anyone here isn't all that important to me.
I'm learning as much about the technology as the art, so I'm
curious about every new product, whether or not I intend to own one.

As it happens, the D60 is one product I'm seriously considering
buying, but even if I do buy it I'm still going to plan for the
future. I'd like to know at what rate sensor sizes are continuing
to grow, because it would affect my choices when investing in
lenses. I'd like to know if the Foveon technology shows promise,
because it might mean delaying my purchase decision another
generation.

Please accept the fact that not everyone uses the forums for the
same purpose. You're waiting for samples from talented
photographers and posts from people looking to master their
existing equipment. I'm eager for news about what choices I'll
have when I decide to take the plunge. We both have to wade
through a lot of material that may or may not interest us, but the
gems tend to be worth the effort.
  • Blake Stone
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Michael,

A year or two in the past will prove much different from the next couple of years. With x3 technology potentially besting Canon's CMOS chips and the 1D using still older CCD technology there will be little use in buying a 1D in two years if you are a professional shooter competing with the image quality of what will be commonplace then.

Then there is the banding issues. I still might buy one but the tests I've put the demo at Pro Photo Supply in Portland show banding at all ISO's. As soon as that's resolved in a new body, that heel problem that Achilles is familiar with will "turtle" that flagship of Canon's if you know what I mean.

-Craig
Michael Martin said:
Craig Strong said:
A year or two and 1d's will be selling for $100 on Ebay.

-Craig
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Nope, it'll hold its value. The Kodak DCS 560's (canon body) are
still selling used for almost 5 grand.
Michael Martin said:
Andrew Grant said:
1) in many ways the D30 does match or exceed film.

2) I am not sure what EOS film camera you use, but the D60 will
probably still have consumer body AF performance.

Perhaps you should do waht a freind of mine did. He bought a D30
refrub and is waiting a year or two for the 1D price to decline.
Allan Rossmore said:
I am in the same boat as he is. I have Canon EOS film cameras and a
number of lenses, including several "L" lenses, and I want to learn
more about digital. I find it exciting in its possibilities, but I
am not ready either to buy a camera that does not yet match film
(D30) or one that will bankrupt me (1D). I use scanners to digitize
my work now. I mostly do it for enjoyment but have made signiicant
sales which have paid for some of my equipment.Also, if I am going
to spring for $3,000 for a camera, then I want to be SURE that its
autofocus will do what I need to do, as my work is primarily
aviation action photography, where aircraft are moving at very high
speeds. At present, my film cameras will follow focus these
subjects. Fromm what I have heard, I could not be sure that the D30
could do this. Let's see what the next generation after the D30
will do.

Allan Rossmore
Blake Stone said:
You're assuming that everyone here already has a D30, which is
likely far from the truth. I started to research digital SLR
alternatives last fall, and a purchase decision was far from
pressing. It's a hobby for me, like many here. Whether or not my
photographs impress anyone here isn't all that important to me.
I'm learning as much about the technology as the art, so I'm
curious about every new product, whether or not I intend to own one.

As it happens, the D60 is one product I'm seriously considering
buying, but even if I do buy it I'm still going to plan for the
future. I'd like to know at what rate sensor sizes are continuing
to grow, because it would affect my choices when investing in
lenses. I'd like to know if the Foveon technology shows promise,
because it might mean delaying my purchase decision another
generation.

Please accept the fact that not everyone uses the forums for the
same purpose. You're waiting for samples from talented
photographers and posts from people looking to master their
existing equipment. I'm eager for news about what choices I'll
have when I decide to take the plunge. We both have to wade
through a lot of material that may or may not interest us, but the
gems tend to be worth the effort.
  • Blake Stone
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Hey Stephen, sorry for the late reply, but thanks for the comments. I know I need to work on my color balance, and I should use custom WB when I shoot the physique stuff.

I think I'll try that this weekend when I am in Philly to shoot again...

thanks,
gene
Stephen Cook said:
I like the party photos best. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say
you've had some formal design training. The Cantina photo is my
favorite, although the untitled one of people dancing with the
light blue background is also very strong. All of the party photos
capture a state of mind as well as a physical scene.
Your physique photos are compositionally very good, but the color
balance seems a little off to me. I know that the tan in a bottle
that some of the bodybuilders use can give an orangish hue to the
skin, but I suspect that they were using some kind of unusual color
stage lighting. I find indoor stage lighting very difficult to
shoot in.
Just a suggestion, but have you considered taking some of the
physique photos to monochrome and maybe increasing the contrast and
brightness slightly? I think they'd make dynamite Black and Whites.

Like your work a lot. It's compositionally strong, shows you know
how to handle a camera, and when I look at them, I don't think,
"yeah, I've seen that photo before."

Keep clickin.
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Jack A. Zucker said:
I can't help but notice that the majority of examples of D30 photos
I see in this forum are snapshots. I wonder how many of you folks
have maxed out the existing technology before jumping onto a new
equipment bandwagon. Somehow I don't think many of us have reached
the point where the image quality is holding us back.
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I never had a D30. I'm getting into digital SLR and will retire my little point-and-shoot.

So, I'm coming in at the right time!

R
 
Even the highest quality CD players add some dithering, which basically means filling in the blanks with distortion....its all in the ears for audio and all in the eyes for photography.
DavidP said:
The problem is that everybody assumes "distortion" is a pejorative.
Not so. A tube amp can take music and add incredible warmth to it,
which many find quite pleasing.

It's sort of like the D-30 CMOS cult. The CMOS, or AA filter, or
some combination of both, has resulted in very pleasing images to
many people. But there IS distortion going on -- it's just that
it's a very pleasing form.

And now back to photography. ;)
steve mitchell said:
Give me a high quality tube amp with
.10 THD and compare it to a solid state with .001......no
comparison. I digress ......sorry.
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Chris,

I just bought my D30 refurb last week from http://www.onecall.com . I've had no problems with it whatsoever. They said they had a few in stock. The price was $1487, and I got the EF 24-85 lens for $349. If you order from them, tell them I referred you :)

Joseph Taylor
Chris Michael said:
I would appreciate any information that you could share regarding
how to buy D30 refurbished cameras.

Thank you,
Chris
MikeA said:
After reading about the D30 in this (mostly very useful) forum for
months, I finally snagged one of the remaining refurbished units.
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Michael Martin's right!!!
Michael Martin said:
Craig Strong said:
A year or two and 1d's will be selling for $100 on Ebay.

-Craig
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Nope, it'll hold its value. The Kodak DCS 560's (canon body) are
still selling used for almost 5 grand.
Michael Martin said:
Andrew Grant said:
1) in many ways the D30 does match or exceed film.

2) I am not sure what EOS film camera you use, but the D60 will
probably still have consumer body AF performance.

Perhaps you should do waht a freind of mine did. He bought a D30
refrub and is waiting a year or two for the 1D price to decline.
Allan Rossmore said:
Blake is right.

I am in the same boat as he is. I have Canon EOS film cameras and a
number of lenses, including several "L" lenses, and I want to learn
more about digital. I find it exciting in its possibilities, but I
am not ready either to buy a camera that does not yet match film
(D30) or one that will bankrupt me (1D). I use scanners to digitize
my work now. I mostly do it for enjoyment but have made signiicant
sales which have paid for some of my equipment.Also, if I am going
to spring for $3,000 for a camera, then I want to be SURE that its
autofocus will do what I need to do, as my work is primarily
aviation action photography, where aircraft are moving at very high
speeds. At present, my film cameras will follow focus these
subjects. Fromm what I have heard, I could not be sure that the D30
could do this. Let's see what the next generation after the D30
will do.

Allan Rossmore
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Rolnif Lotos said:
I never had a D30. I'm getting into digital SLR and will retire my
little point-and-shoot.

So, I'm coming in at the right time!
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I think a common (mis)conception in this forum is that all the buyers of D-60 are (or were until recently) owners of D-30s...

I do not think I would even be looking at the D-60 if I had a D-30. But I don't, and I want my digital experience to be closer to my Rebel 2000. (Maybe I won't even think the AF is that bad :)

So for first-time-DSLR-buyers, the D-60 makes sense. I am not so sure it makes sense to buy a D-30 now (unless I could get one, new, with warranty) for a lot less than a D-60. I have not seen that happen.

Geir
 
I bought the D60 for three reasons:

1) I'm developing 15 - 20 rolls of film a month from my current Canon SLR

2) I tried the current crop of digitals and didn't like the non TTL that I've grown quite accustomed to, and I didn't like the speed of the shutter, or lack there of. When I push button picture needs to be taken then, not 1 - 2 seconds later when that moment is gone.

3) I take snapshots. They are of my little girl as she grows up. Do I want to take better pictures? Hell yes. Will I learn to? Who knows.

The D60 for me is just forward progression with a camera, nothing more. I don't expect to whip the thing out and have hundreds of breathtaking Ansel Adam-esq and Annie Leibowitz photographs just because the D60 shows up one day soon.
 
i just wanted to remind everyone that they are in the Canon SLR forum. this is a message board for technical questions, camera bugs and possible solutions. If you want to post and review images for critique, take it somewhere else. I don't want to see pictures of your dog or your vacation. Stick to the technical questions and keep your subjective opinions to yourselves.
 
Tom Boucher said:
I bought the D60 for three reasons:

1) I'm developing 15 - 20 rolls of film a month from my current
Canon SLR

2) I tried the current crop of digitals and didn't like the non
TTL that I've grown quite accustomed to, and I didn't like the
speed of the shutter, or lack there of. When I push button picture
needs to be taken then, not 1 - 2 seconds later when that moment is
gone.

3) I take snapshots. They are of my little girl as she grows up.
Do I want to take better pictures? Hell yes. Will I learn to?
Who knows.

The D60 for me is just forward progression with a camera, nothing
more. I don't expect to whip the thing out and have hundreds of
breathtaking Ansel Adam-esq and Annie Leibowitz photographs just
because the D60 shows up one day soon.
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Yatin Chacha or whatever your name is...that is the most unbelievably rude and boorish post I have ever read. And Mr Zucker...you deserve to be flamed to start a post such as this that could have no purpose but to start a

flaming war. There are many professionals on this forum that are here to share vital information. The D60 has brought digital photography to the professional level due to its incredible image quality. What people do with it

is their business...but the camera delivers. The D30 has a great look, but really falls down in the resolution department for day to day use in the demanding professional market. And if people post pictures to share information with others...that is not necessarily an indication of their overall skills in photography...but their desire
to get quick feedback to those who need the information.
Yatin Chachad said:
Dr. Y. Chachad
http://www.pbase.com/chachads
Paul Callahan said:
Jack A. Zucker said:
I've kept quiet this long but I'm going to say something now. Not
that I'm any great photographer or anything but...

I can't help but notice that the majority of examples of D30 photos
I see in this forum are snapshots. I wonder how many of you folks
have maxed out the existing technology before jumping onto a new
equipment bandwagon. Somehow I don't think many of us have reached
the point where the image quality is holding us back.

Of course there are some pros here and folks who need the better
autofocus but I'm guessing the vast majority of folks are still
struggling with exposure and composition...

Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed but that's my $0.02

Jaz
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C. Brent said:
Yatin Chachad said:
Most people on the Canon SLR Forum have ho-hum, or mediocre
photographic capability at best. Not all. Most do not even share
their photographs, and get easily offended when their work is
criticised. Others do not even have the guts to say anything about
a simply BAD photo. All everyone is interested in is their
equipment. CSLR forum consists of egocentric men with deep pockets
and lighters to start flame wars.
Not so relectant to share my work and accept comments and
criticisms, I remain,

Dr. Y. Chachad
http://www.pbase.com/chachads
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Not afraid to criticize. Your photos are "painfully" over
saturated, in my opinion. Do you boost the saturation in post
processing?

Dr. C. Brent
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Actually, in my humble opinion (notwithstanding that I like the others am just an equipment loving male spender :), I think it's the high saturation that makes Dr. Chachad's photos top notch.
 
It’s all about the size of the prints you are making. Yes, one could make the case about lost detail, but that is also relative to the size of the print. 35mm film is roughly equal to a 12-16 mega pixel image. I can confirm this with film scanner FS-4000 which scans negatives at 16 mega pixels. I frequently make my prints 8x10 sometime as large as 13x19. A 3 mega pixel camera wouldn’t meet my personal expectations at either of those sizes, though. That’s not to say that you can’t get acceptable prints at 8x10. I have printed sample D-60 images at 13x19 and have been extremely impressed. Excellent results, that don’t involve the hassle of development and scanning. My point is that if your needs are only to go as large as a 8x10 on occasions the D-30 or D1 are great choices. On the other hand if you want larger images there’s no substitute for more mega pixels to get good results.

Use the right tool for the job and you wont be disappointed. I use an S-40 for my point and shoot it perfect for that small, sexy and powerful. For landscapes my élan II or 7 go with me and if it ever arrives perhaps my D-60.
Fred Perra said:
Tom Boucher said:
I bought the D60 for three reasons:

1) I'm developing 15 - 20 rolls of film a month from my current
Canon SLR

2) I tried the current crop of digitals and didn't like the non
TTL that I've grown quite accustomed to, and I didn't like the
speed of the shutter, or lack there of. When I push button picture
needs to be taken then, not 1 - 2 seconds later when that moment is
gone.

3) I take snapshots. They are of my little girl as she grows up.
Do I want to take better pictures? Hell yes. Will I learn to?
Who knows.

The D60 for me is just forward progression with a camera, nothing
more. I don't expect to whip the thing out and have hundreds of
breathtaking Ansel Adam-esq and Annie Leibowitz photographs just
because the D60 shows up one day soon.
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