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With all the bickering, trolling, flame baiting etc...that sometimes goes on in these forums (not just this Nikon forum) it's so nice to read stories about forums here where there really is a sense of community and giving...

Please read the story below and the forum thread to get an idea of what I am talking about...

http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=11856

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&message=25773425

Kind of cool, huh? I used to post there regularly years ago when I was shooting Oly and miss that sense of community...

Perhaps we can all try a little harder to be nice to each other and not sweat the small stuff?

Happy shooting everyone!

Bob

P.S. I've always wanted a Nikon D300 just in case anyone is feeling generous... ;> )

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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
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The back-biting, "equipment-measuring" [I'm not talking photo gear] and generally pis$$y posts that abound here are disappointing. I try to overlook the negative, derogatory and challenging posts but it is getting increasingly difficult. I love dpreview but am quickly becoming disenfranchised with some of the less civilized posters.

I come here for a sense of community and to learn more about photography in general and what is a valued piece of new gear. I thank all of you who have contributed in a positive fashion to my continuing development in photogrpahy.

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Perspective is Everything
 
I had owned an E10 and an E20. The Oly forum has always been a warm and helpful forum. I feel inpart because the members were concerned about photography and not the gear. (Now remember there has been a lot of frustration through the years at "Oly" because of gear problems and the slow pace of getting the 4/3rds system out.

I feel the Nikon canon forums have to many people on them that are trying to prove to themselves that they made the right decision going with N or C. Way to much trolling for me. I am sure it will not change. I think you have to go to the Pro forum to find less in fighting.

Adams, Steichen, Snoopy, Stigletz, Weston. they lead by example.

Regards,

Jeff Morris/Homecinemaman
 
My experience is mixed. Most of the time I am getting good and useful answers. Also, in general I do not mind a good respectful arguments, which can be very helpful.

However, it seems questions about e.g. high ISO noise in particular compared to Canon cameras cause a lot of emotion, which is hardly helpful nor relevant to me. Which camera am I (or probably most of us) going to buy next time? Most of us have plenty of Nikon lenses. Are we going to buy Canon or Olympus? Hardly even an option, so why even bother discussing comparisons with Canon in a Nikon forum? Comparing within Nikon helps me at least. (e.g. Should I upgrade to a D300 or stay with a D80? Maybe I rather get a better lens? etc.)

Questions comparing different brands might warrant a separate forum. People asking comparative questions (Nikon vs Canon vs Olympus) are likely to be in the market for a new SLR system and get mixed in with a Nikon user forum.

Many ugly fights seem to come from this direction it might help us to become more like the Olympus forum if we got a separate forum for people who want to compare different brands and seek advice.
 
Hi Bob,

Yes, of course it would be much nicer here if people would make a small effort. The sony (STF) forum was a great place for "community" interaction when I was there years ago. Unfortunately, this forum seems to be dominated by people much more interested in specs than photography and many certainly don't seem to care about having a "community". I agree with the other poster that stated the premise that the constant camera comparisons do absolutely nothing to improve the utility and friendly nature of this forum.

If the "nice" folks want a community type forum, they have to take an active role.

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my gallery of so-so photos
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Yeah, wouldn't it be a great thing if the people were nicer.

I began visiting DPReview when I first bought my Canon G1 in 2001, and hung out here to learn more about my D70 a little later. Since then, it gets harder and harder to stay here, what with the attitudes of some people, and all the bickering.

Also, it is getting increasingly difficult to separate the people who really know what they're talking about from those who are simply masquerading as an expert (and grossly misleading people by stating opinions or incorrect observations as if they are facts).

Many times I have told myself, "Enough, there's really no need to come back here anymore!". Then, someone like yourself, or Roman Johnston, or David Chin, or Sam J. Stern goes ahead and posts a thread that is actually informative! And so, I find myself back here once again, trying to learn about the D300 I have on order.

To all that truly try to provide accurate, factual information, my thanks. (You know who you are). ;))

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Tom O
http://www.pbase.com/tom_and_kris
 
Kerry Pierce said:
Kerry Pierce wrote:
Hi Bob,

Yes, of course it would be much nicer here if people would make a
small effort. The sony (STF) forum was a great place for "community"
interaction when I was there years ago. Unfortunately, this forum
seems to be dominated by people much more interested in specs than
photography and many certainly don't seem to care about having a
"community". I agree with the other poster that stated the premise
that the constant camera comparisons do absolutely nothing to improve
the utility and friendly nature of this forum.
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Hi Kerry, pghaworth, Jeff Morris and Ralf...,

I agree with you all. My main reason for posting this was just cause I was so impressed with those peoples generousity and sense of community and I wanted to share the story with people here. I actually felt a tear or two while reading the story...sniff sniff. Old sentimental fool I am... ;> )
Kerry Pierce said:
If the "nice" folks want a community type forum, they have to take an
active role.
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Yup, I agree again and they could start by pitching in and buying me a D300... LOL...(just kidding of course, I am still in love with my D200 and quite happy with it)...I would like a 70-200VR though... wink

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
 
The constant comparisons to Canon (mine is bigger/better/stronger than yours) has really made this a sometimes painful forum to visit. I started out in the Olympus forum about 6 years ago, and there was almost never an Us vs.Them post, not many in the Nikon Talk forum, a lot more in the Nikon D80 etc. forum, but nothing like here. And the frustrating thing is, it doesn't seem to be abating.
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Ron
CP 5700, D70, D300 soon
http://www.pbase.com/ronhrl
 
is that so far there enough of these folks that it's still worth coming back.
Tom O said:
Many times I have told myself, "Enough, there's really no need to
come back here anymore!". Then, someone like yourself, or Roman
Johnston, or David Chin, or Sam J. Stern goes ahead and posts a
thread that is actually informative!
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Tom O said:
To all that truly try to provide accurate, factual information, my
thanks. (You know who you are). ;))

--
Tom O
http://www.pbase.com/tom_and_kris
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Perspective is Everything
 
I had it in my cart but did some research here that revealed the D300 was coming. You have a great camera. As for the 70-200 VR, you are in fine company. I landed my macro lens first because I knew I wouldn't be happy without it but now... ...as soon as the planets are in alignment [read that cash] then I'm taking the plunge.

Oh, and if anyone wants to make too people very happy for Christmas, well Bob and I are just the two people you're looking for. The 70-200 would be a perfect gift. :)
Mofongo said:
Yup, I agree again and they could start by pitching in and buying me
a D300... LOL...(just kidding of course, I am still in love with my
D200 and quite happy with it)...I would like a 70-200VR though...
wink

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
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Perspective is Everything
 
pghaworth said:
pghaworth wrote:
I had it in my cart but did some research here that revealed the D300
was coming.
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Ahhh, wise choice to wait. Although the D200 is a great camera and I will stay with it for a couple more years if I was just starting out or upgrading from the D70 and had the cash I would go for the D300...Nikon (and other manufacturers) just keep making the better and better...
pghaworth said:
You have a great camera. As for the 70-200 VR, you are in
fine company. I landed my macro lens first because I knew I wouldn't
be happy without it but now... ...as soon as the planets are in
alignment [read that cash] then I'm taking the plunge.
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Yea, it's gonna be a LONG time till the planets are in alignment around here. (new computer, aniversary ring etc...). That's cool cause I really am happy with what I have. Just wish I had more time to get out and shoot...
pghaworth said:
Oh, and if anyone wants to make too people very happy for Christmas,
well Bob and I are just the two people you're looking for. The 70-200
would be a perfect gift. :)
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Heck, we could even share it. I'll use it on days that end in "Y" and you can use it on days that don't... ;> )

Happy Holidays to you and yours...

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
 
Tom O said:
Tom O wrote:
Yeah, wouldn't it be a great thing if the people were nicer.
Many times I have told myself, "Enough, there's really no need to
come back here anymore!". Then, someone like yourself, or Roman
Johnston, or David Chin, or Sam J. Stern goes ahead and posts a
thread that is actually informative! And so, I find myself back
here once again, trying to learn about the D300 I have on order.

To all that truly try to provide accurate, factual information, my
thanks. (You know who you are). ;))
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Tom, I agree on thanking all those who are knowledgeable and courteous here...

I guess the best thing is to take what we need and leave the rest. I always seem to find some tidbit of useful info or inspiration whenever I come here...

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
 
Very refreshing post, Bob -- and not surprising, since you've always been a gentleman. One other observation, which I made several years ago (long before I had to rejoin the forum with the "2" in my moniker since I-don't-know-what happened to prevent me from logging in sometime last year): This bitterness and partisanship of the Nikon vs Canon debate by some folks on this forum (and I assume the Canon forums) makes absolutely no sense and is in fact AGAINST the self-interest of all of us as purchasers and users of cameras and equipment. We don't own stock in either company. Yes, we each have an investment in equipment, and don't want to have to switch to stay reasonably technologically current, but, in both the short and long run, it is in all of our best interests for both Nikon and Canon (and Sony and Pentax and Olympus) to thrive and keep pushing the envelope and constantly getting better and better at competitive prices. I get excited when Canon comes out with something new I'd like to have; even if I don't go and buy the new Canon product, fortunately I could if I needed to, but more importantly I also know that Nikon will feel the heat and won't be far behind in saving my modest investment in glass.

In other words, the competition is between Nikon and Canon, NOT between us as consumers of their products. We have common cause.

Excellent post, Bob.
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AviBen

 
RonHrl said:
RonHrl wrote:
The constant comparisons to Canon (mine is bigger/better/stronger
than yours) has really made this a sometimes painful forum to visit.
I started out in the Olympus forum about 6 years ago, and there was
almost never an Us vs.Them post, not many in the Nikon Talk forum, a
lot more in the Nikon D80 etc. forum, but nothing like here. And the
frustrating thing is, it doesn't seem to be abating.
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Hey Ron,

I remember you from the old days on the Oly forum. The big debate than was is image stabilization on the 2mp Uzi (C2100) better than the 3mp of the C3030 and other 3mp cameras?...some posts got heated but for the most part it was civil...

Wow, we've come a long way huh?...

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
 
RomanJohnston said:
RomanJohnston wrote:
NOT...just kidding...knew this would get your attention...

Your correct of course...already saw the story...but we could
definitly do with a bit more tact around here.
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Yea, like I say best to take what we need and leave the rest...

After a lot of sifting there's still some pretty good stuff left...

Thanks for sharing your landscape photos. Lot's of inspiration...

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
 
I remember you from those days too. And you're right - those who had the UZI 2100 were rabid about recommending it as the cure for Everything. I also remember someone named Daniella who jumped on anyone who questioned the camera she happened to own at the moment. Good times, huh?
Mofongo said:
Hey Ron,
I remember you from the old days on the Oly forum. The big debate
than was is image stabilization on the 2mp Uzi (C2100) better than
the 3mp of the C3030 and other 3mp cameras?...some posts got heated
but for the most part it was civil...

Wow, we've come a long way huh?...

Bob
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--
Ron
CP 5700, D70, D300 soon
http://www.pbase.com/ronhrl
 
Mofongo said:
Yea, it's gonna be a LONG time till the planets are in alignment
around here. (new computer, aniversary ring etc...). That's cool
cause I really am happy with what I have. Just wish I had more time
to get out and shoot...
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I'm lucky, no rings to buy, tho' I do have a son in university [more expensive possibly, no?]. I need a new computer but when I had the op to get one this morning for great terms and low price my camera brain said "your current one is fine - besides then you could get that lens". Go evil demon spawn, leave my head now. [Dang I want that lens] :) Now, the time to shoot IS a problem. With tax season coming all bets are off. I'll be lucky if I get see the light of day.
Mofongo said:
Heck, we could even share it. I'll use it on days that end in "Y" and
you can use it on days that don't... ;> )
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You must've missed Bush's speech this morning about the necessary renaming of the weekdays in order to protect national security. All weekdays no longer end in "Y". Sorry Bob, your loss, but great news if we find a benefactor - I win. :)
Mofongo said:
Happy Holidays to you and yours...
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Same here
Mofongo said:
Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
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Perspective is Everything
 
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