R.T.B.M.

JayO

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I read with interest a number of enquiries from participants, some whom by admission or implication, are newcomers to Digital Photography and/or a particular camera model.

Some admit to having their camera for a day, three days or whatever, and rush into print when a problem arises.

For heaven's sake, please R.T.B.M! (Read The Manual!)
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JayO
 
I rather enjoy helping people solve problems with their photography/cameras, but it does get a little tiresome answering questions that are clearly covered in the manual. It also has a handy index at the back and if you're having trouble with a specific function or mode, then chances are you'll be able to find answers there. You can also download the software version of it here: http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/customer/pdf/G2_manual.pdf and do a word search to quickly find what you're looking for. :)

Michael
I read with interest a number of enquiries from participants, some
whom by admission or implication, are newcomers to Digital
Photography and/or a particular camera model.
Some admit to having their camera for a day, three days or
whatever, and rush into print when a problem arises.

For heaven's sake, please R.T.B.M! (Read The Manual!)
--
JayO
 
Although I can appreciate the spiriit in which you comment is meant. There are many people where learning (especially about topics new to them as photography and digital photography) is more of a iterative process and not one by which reading through a manual provides a full understanding.

In my short-time in this forum ( 5 months) the demeanor and candor of the participants has continued to slide downhill from a total atmosphere of support and learning to simply posting RTFM (or in your case RTBM).

What can we do to recoup the forums of only a few short months ago?

Not a bash but a collective plea...
-Randy
I read with interest a number of enquiries from participants, some
whom by admission or implication, are newcomers to Digital
Photography and/or a particular camera model.
Some admit to having their camera for a day, three days or
whatever, and rush into print when a problem arises.

For heaven's sake, please R.T.B.M! (Read The Manual!)
--
JayO
 
Although I can appreciate the spiriit in which you comment is
meant. There are many people where learning (especially about
topics new to them as photography and digital photography) is more
of a iterative process and not one by which reading through a
manual provides a full understanding.

In my short-time in this forum ( 5 months) the demeanor and candor
of the participants has continued to slide downhill from a total
atmosphere of support and learning to simply posting RTFM (or in
your case RTBM).


What can we do to recoup the forums of only a few short months ago?
Help educate the receivers of Christmas gifts. But expect it to happen again next year, as the marketing depts of Canon and others are successful and reach new customers.

Jim
Not a bash but a collective plea...
-Randy
I read with interest a number of enquiries from participants, some
whom by admission or implication, are newcomers to Digital
Photography and/or a particular camera model.
Some admit to having their camera for a day, three days or
whatever, and rush into print when a problem arises.

For heaven's sake, please R.T.B.M! (Read The Manual!)
--
JayO
 
Although I can appreciate the spiriit in which you comment is
meant. There are many people where learning (especially about
topics new to them as photography and digital photography) is more
of a iterative process and not one by which reading through a
manual provides a full understanding.

In my short-time in this forum ( 5 months) the demeanor and candor
of the participants has continued to slide downhill from a total
atmosphere of support and learning to simply posting RTFM (or in
your case RTBM).


What can we do to recoup the forums of only a few short months ago?

Not a bash but a collective plea...
-Randy
i can relate to this problem. i've been doing stained glass for over 19 years. i've gotten all sorts of questions. mostly easy stuff. and when someone emailed me i helped them. later on i put together a big web site to address all the problems that i've helped with.

but what really starts to happen, on all the forums and groups i belong to are the same exact questions every time. no one ever does a search, or they expect people to look it up for them. and it begins to get boring.

composition on the other hand, is not as easy as a book. certain problems that may have been discussed in the manual, may be served better in a live forum with everyone's feed back. but when the same question is asked over and over and over and over, it really starts to get to the people who have been posting these answers all along.

this forum has one of the best search fuctions i've ever seen. and yet no one seems to know how to use it. alot of information has already been gone over.

so what happens, is: someone joins a group. they try to help out. then discover that basically all the questions are the same. and whats worse is that the camera's become out dated and fewer people are there to help. so there will be a natural decline to the group.

but mostly people need to ask the questions. as you get better you have less questions. and it's back to the begginers questions, and the loop begins again.

---Mike Savad
 
I must admit I've asked a couple of dumb questions on this forum myself but regardless it was nice to get answers.

Personally, I get amused by the people who ask things such as "Where can I buy a G2 for the lowest price and please provide the details"

Can't anyone pick up a phone or otherwise do some research for themselves???
LOL

Sometimes, researching and finding out about a product before you buy it is 1/2 the fun!!!!
Although I can appreciate the spiriit in which you comment is
meant. There are many people where learning (especially about
topics new to them as photography and digital photography) is more
of a iterative process and not one by which reading through a
manual provides a full understanding.

In my short-time in this forum ( 5 months) the demeanor and candor
of the participants has continued to slide downhill from a total
atmosphere of support and learning to simply posting RTFM (or in
your case RTBM).


What can we do to recoup the forums of only a few short months ago?

Not a bash but a collective plea...
-Randy
i can relate to this problem. i've been doing stained glass for
over 19 years. i've gotten all sorts of questions. mostly easy
stuff. and when someone emailed me i helped them. later on i put
together a big web site to address all the problems that i've
helped with.

but what really starts to happen, on all the forums and groups i
belong to are the same exact questions every time. no one ever does
a search, or they expect people to look it up for them. and it
begins to get boring.

composition on the other hand, is not as easy as a book. certain
problems that may have been discussed in the manual, may be served
better in a live forum with everyone's feed back. but when the same
question is asked over and over and over and over, it really starts
to get to the people who have been posting these answers all along.

this forum has one of the best search fuctions i've ever seen. and
yet no one seems to know how to use it. alot of information has
already been gone over.

so what happens, is: someone joins a group. they try to help out.
then discover that basically all the questions are the same. and
whats worse is that the camera's become out dated and fewer people
are there to help. so there will be a natural decline to the group.

but mostly people need to ask the questions. as you get better you
have less questions. and it's back to the begginers questions, and
the loop begins again.

---Mike Savad
 
Well, remember, there are no new positions! However there are a lot of people new to trying them, and would prefer a little casual and on-target recommendation rather than reading about them in a book. IMHO
 
I have been following this forum closely for over 2 years (and other DPReview forums as well). I find that after a new top of the line camera comes out there is quite a bit of excitement as everyone is learning the ins and outs of their new toy. Accessories, posting ever better pics and finding new capabiities. After 6-8 months many of those asking questions are the digital neophytes, and of course thats when you think RTFM. Myself I always think, search the D--- Forum, but try to be polite in guiding them that direction. The search engine used to have an advanced feature that would make it quite a bit more specific. Right now on the CTF we seem to be in a broader mix of S30-40 owners since they were released 2 months later than the G-2, and by late this summer the G3? Many of the more enthusiastic photographers have moved on to a D30, I will surely go that route sooner or later.
Mike K
In my short-time in this forum ( 5 months) the demeanor and candor
of the participants has continued to slide downhill from a total
atmosphere of support and learning to simply posting RTFM (or in
your case RTBM).


What can we do to recoup the forums of only a few short months ago?

Not a bash but a collective plea...
-Randy
I read with interest a number of enquiries from participants, some
whom by admission or implication, are newcomers to Digital
Photography and/or a particular camera model.
Some admit to having their camera for a day, three days or
whatever, and rush into print when a problem arises.

For heaven's sake, please R.T.B.M! (Read The Manual!)
--
JayO
 

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