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We use reflectors and scrims !
:-)
Love this pic it tells a real story ...great looking photographer too :-)

 
Paul Pope said:
We use reflectors and scrims !
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Paul,

Would you be able to post a sample of how the overhead scrim affected the look of the final photograph.

I've found that this technique can often leave uncomplimentary shadows under the brow if you're not careful to provide a bit of fill light on the face. Is the silver reflector the only other reflector you used with the scrim?
Thanks,
Doug B
Torontowide.com
 
Paul,

I've read your lighting descriptions in the past but a single photograph like this is a better source of information (IMHO). Thanks for being willing to share so much.
 
No the other assistant who actualy took the picture of the scene held another reflector from the other side.
I'm on thin ice here posting samples .......
Doug B said:
Paul Pope said:
We use reflectors and scrims !
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Paul,
Would you be able to post a sample of how the overhead scrim
affected the look of the final photograph.
I've found that this technique can often leave uncomplimentary
shadows under the brow if you're not careful to provide a bit of
fill light on the face. Is the silver reflector the only other
reflector you used with the scrim?
Thanks,
Doug B
Torontowide.com
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Paul Pope said:
No the other assistant who actualy took the picture of the scene
held another reflector from the other side.
I'm on thin ice here posting samples .......
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Understand about the samples and people's sensitivities (perhaps just a head and shoulders crop?)

So is it fair to say that the silver reflector, harder light because of the colour and more specular in nature because of the distance from the model, was used to bring up detail on the model's body ( sheen, muscle tone etc.) and a softer reflector (white perhaps?)was placed closer to the subject to soften the face?

Doug B
Torontowide.com
 
Jeez

How did you get all that sand and water into the studio?

;-)

David
Paul Pope said:
We use reflectors and scrims !
:-)
Love this pic it tells a real story ...great looking photographer
too :-)



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Paul Pope said:
We use reflectors and scrims !
:-)
Love this pic it tells a real story ...great looking photographer
too :-)
http://www.akn-media.com/eos1dpage/IMG_7515s.JPG
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A picture of a beautiful woman at the beach - seems like all you do is grab a random sunbather, point a camera, and take one snap. But now we see that the reality is that there's a team of several people involved, directing and bouncing and softening light from all different directions, using a carload/truckload of screens and reflectors and poles, setting up for hours and shooting tons of frames to yield that one "simple" shot.

Thanks for the behind-the-scenes look!
 
Paul Andre said:
Paul Andre wrote:
How much does a scrim setup like that cost? Something I would like
to look into.
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Paul P how get around the background and subject not looking like they're under different lighting? …defused sun look on person hard shadows on background

As to the price question I have a 72"square ScrimJim with the 3/4stop silk plus a white/silver fabric it cost about $350.00 fill discs 30" to 72" cost $50 to $100(I also use a medium soft box with a Lumedyne so people don’t look so squinty) good heavy stands cost at least $100 each I use C-stands with grip heads about $175ea, estimate of his crew cost assistants $125 to $200 a day hair and make up stylists $400 to $800 a day model $150 to$200 hour a client that would book you for a job like this priceless.

Have never used this stuff for some thing as fun as models on a beach,
Kraig
 
Hmmmm I think we used Silver and then a soft gold on the other side to replace the sun's warmth.

Notice I used a nice big warming filter on the front of the 70-200 IS and dialed in #2 on the 1D.
Doug B said:
Paul Pope said:
No the other assistant who actualy took the picture of the scene
held another reflector from the other side.
I'm on thin ice here posting samples .......
Click to expand...
Understand about the samples and people's sensitivities (perhaps
just a head and shoulders crop?)
So is it fair to say that the silver reflector, harder light
because of the colour and more specular in nature because of the
distance from the model, was used to bring up detail on the model's
body ( sheen, muscle tone etc.) and a softer reflector (white
perhaps?)was placed closer to the subject to soften the face?

Doug B
Torontowide.com
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I regularly work with many gaffers & grips. They would all tell you that this set-up is dangerous.

These stands are aluminium are not heavy duty enough & could snap. Additionally the footprint of these stands is too small. The sand bags are completely inadequate. There are sailboats with less surface area than this silk. Your assistants are not going to be able to safetly control this set-up if the wind gusts.

When we fly any overhead scrim (aka butterfly) we use steel stands, either combo or hi overhead rollers. We use much more sand & tie down the corners with rope. I have seen wind gusts demolish even this set-up.

You are leaving yourself open to a several lawsuits & are endangering anyone within at least 50'.

Alot of equipment designed for photography is not heavy duty enough for such applications. If your doing alot of outdoor work you should look into equipment designed for the movie industry. Many times it is actually cheaper than the photo equivelent.

My favorite grip gear is made by American Studio Equipment. Their grip heads are the best in the industry.

Their contact info is: 8468 Kewen Ave, Sun Valley,CA 91352
Phone: (818) 768-8922
 
This is why I like Scrims ....makes it even and dulls the blow outs a bit while still preseving as much of the background exposure as possible.
And before any of you ask ...yes she has shaving rash .....

 
I've never lost one yet ....
CLTHRS said:
I regularly work with many gaffers & grips. They would all tell you
that this set-up is dangerous.

These stands are aluminium are not heavy duty enough & could snap.
Additionally the footprint of these stands is too small. The sand
bags are completely inadequate. There are sailboats with less
surface area than this silk. Your assistants are not going to be
able to safetly control this set-up if the wind gusts.

When we fly any overhead scrim (aka butterfly) we use steel stands,
either combo or hi overhead rollers. We use much more sand & tie
down the corners with rope. I have seen wind gusts demolish even
this set-up.

You are leaving yourself open to a several lawsuits & are
endangering anyone within at least 50'.

Alot of equipment designed for photography is not heavy duty enough
for such applications. If your doing alot of outdoor work you
should look into equipment designed for the movie industry. Many
times it is actually cheaper than the photo equivelent.

My favorite grip gear is made by American Studio Equipment. Their
grip heads are the best in the industry.

Their contact info is: 8468 Kewen Ave, Sun Valley,CA 91352
Phone: (818) 768-8922
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You should try posting this info @ Photo District News or at cinamatographer.com. I am going easy on you, they would tear you apart. It is irresponsible to endanger others with an amatuerish set-up. Your stands aren't even expanded to their maximum footprint.

I am very scared that others are going to emulate this set-up.
Someone could get badly injured or killed.
 
Decided to tread on the thin ice again, did you Paul? :)

Now, while I have no problem with the image, nor am I trying to start any sort of debate ... I just want to point out that posting that is actually in violation of forum posting rules ... Embedding that doesn't give people much warning before clicking if they are simply reading through the thead ...

The relevant posting guideline being:

"Glamour / Nude / Bikini pictures - Please do not embed such images in your messages, while we understand that such pictures (tastefully shot) are a big part of commercial photography we do have a worldwide audience and wide range of paying advertisers. If you wish to bring a gallery of such images to peoples attention then please just post a link. "

All of that said, I'm glad to see thes scrim lighting techniques being discussed.

Regards,
Micheal
Paul Pope said:
This is why I like Scrims ....makes it even and dulls the blow outs
a bit while still preseving as much of the background exposure as
possible.
And before any of you ask ...yes she has shaving rash .....

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Yeah good for you .......
Micheal Hall said:
Now, while I have no problem with the image, nor am I trying to
start any sort of debate ... I just want to point out that posting
that is actually in violation of forum posting rules ... Embedding
that doesn't give people much warning before clicking if they are
simply reading through the thead ...

The relevant posting guideline being:

"Glamour / Nude / Bikini pictures - Please do not embed such images
in your messages, while we understand that such pictures
(tastefully shot) are a big part of commercial photography we do
have a worldwide audience and wide range of paying advertisers. If
you wish to bring a gallery of such images to peoples attention
then please just post a link. "

All of that said, I'm glad to see thes scrim lighting techniques
being discussed.

Regards,
Micheal
Paul Pope said:
This is why I like Scrims ....makes it even and dulls the blow outs
a bit while still preseving as much of the background exposure as
possible.
And before any of you ask ...yes she has shaving rash .....

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