If the prosecutors really have something solid against any individual, why not pressing charges and go through the court? Don't they have confidence in their own justice system or may be they just want to override it? That’s how fascism always starts.
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News photographer in Iraq accused of insurgent ties
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--Wait! I'll go get Rosie O'Donnell. She'll straighten us out on what's really what.
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Ok, you want to have a go at Australia, go ahead, is that your best shot?
Well go back to your history books you will see that many countries have been able to achieve freedom with the help of another country at some time in their history. This applied to the US as well, when the French helped them to get loose of the Monarch and the US later helped the French from the Germans. So as you can see it is not a one way street.
LeRentier
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You seem to be referring to ancient rules which were swept under the carpet by the freedom act 
Deecy:
But, from my observations, there's more to this whole mess than meets the eye, in that:
1. If, the referenced military says or suspects that this person is a problem, than that's more than likely true -- at least, it's more than good enough for me,
2. Those sites, listed in previous messages, this Thread, appear just as fishy and suspect to me as the "AP" stories,
3. Now, if we can't even trust the Press in this country, what gives foreign Press, more credibility that we should all at once start relying on and trusting them on matters of security & military intelligence, rather than our trained/experienced and highly respected professional military services ------- and, oh yes, the stated military, in this instance, really can and should be trusted ----- even has it very on investigators, lawyers and judges ----- plenty of them, in fact, and all are highly competent,
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
But, from my observations, there's more to this whole mess than meets the eye, in that:
1. If, the referenced military says or suspects that this person is a problem, than that's more than likely true -- at least, it's more than good enough for me,
2. Those sites, listed in previous messages, this Thread, appear just as fishy and suspect to me as the "AP" stories,
3. Now, if we can't even trust the Press in this country, what gives foreign Press, more credibility that we should all at once start relying on and trusting them on matters of security & military intelligence, rather than our trained/experienced and highly respected professional military services ------- and, oh yes, the stated military, in this instance, really can and should be trusted ----- even has it very on investigators, lawyers and judges ----- plenty of them, in fact, and all are highly competent,
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
--Wait! I'll go get Rosie O'Donnell. She'll straighten us out on
what's really what.
Tom Deecy//
http://www.flickr.com/photos/provocative/
A short story site. http://storiesontheweb.blogspot.com/
http://tomdeecy.blogspot.com/
LeRentier:
Just what is the "Freedom Act",
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
Just what is the "Freedom Act",
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
You seem to be referring to ancient rules which were swept under the
carpet by the freedom act
--Wait! I'll go get Rosie O'Donnell. She'll straighten us out onDeecy:
But, from my observations, there's more to this whole mess than meets
the eye, in that:
1. If, the referenced military says or suspects that this person is
a problem, than that's more than likely true -- at least, it's more
than good enough for me,
2. Those sites, listed in previous messages, this Thread, appear
just as fishy and suspect to me as the "AP" stories,
3. Now, if we can't even trust the Press in this country, what gives
foreign Press, more credibility that we should all at once start
relying on and trusting them on matters of security & military
intelligence, rather than our trained/experienced and highly
respected professional military services ------- and, oh yes, the
stated military, in this instance, really can and should be trusted
----- even has it very on investigators, lawyers and judges -----
plenty of them, in fact, and all are highly competent,
--
BRJR ...
Deecy wrote:
--BRJR:
That's what I was trying to say in a shorter, more humorous (I hope) way. The press in the U.S. is no longer to be trusted. The NY Times motto should be changed from "All the news that's fit to print" to "All the news that will contribute to the destruction of Conservatism and/or the Republican party" A little long, but much more accurate.
Best,
Tom Deecy//
http://www.flickr.com/photos/provocative/
A short story site. http://storiesontheweb.blogspot.com/
http://tomdeecy.blogspot.com/
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FJBrad
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Yes, and now that the French finally has a leader who gets it, hes's being attacked by the left as visciously as Bush has been.
It should be noted that the US also rebuilt Germany and Japan after we whooped them. Peace and freedom has always been, and hopefully will always be, our national goal.. and not empire building as is so often the charge against us.
it's interesting that libs are still so tweaked over losing the election that they are now turning their ire towards Sarkozy as well. It's amazing how bitterness and hatred can blind so many people to the truth, and sound judgement.
Australia is no different than any other country by having a lunatic fringe... but I still like Australia and Australians.
Is Al Jezeera a journalistic enterprise, or merely a propaganda organ for Hamas, AlQueda, et al?
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LeRentier
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excusez moi, I meant the patriot act !
phototext
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"It's amazing how bitterness and hatred can blind so many people to the truth, and sound judgement."
So, the left made up Abu Ghraib ?
You think Bush has sound judgement ?
Almost 4000 U.S soldiers killed in an aimless conflict that was only a distraction from the real war on terror. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 yet Bush and Co where very happy to make up a connection. You call Iraq sound judgement ?
So, the left made up Abu Ghraib ?
You think Bush has sound judgement ?
Almost 4000 U.S soldiers killed in an aimless conflict that was only a distraction from the real war on terror. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 yet Bush and Co where very happy to make up a connection. You call Iraq sound judgement ?
--I'll take your points in order.
Yes, the Left essentially DID make up Abu Ghraib. They didn't make up the facts of the hazing that happened there but they did overplay a rather minor wartime one-time event to the point of turning it into a hate crime committed by our horrible American soldiers against poor innocent Islamic terrorists who, given half a chance, would behead every soldier assigned to that prison with a rusty knife and drag their bodies around the streets. Exaggeration? Think Mogadishu (thanks to the Clintons!). Remember the televised beheadings of innocent newsmen in Iraq and all the other atrocities committed by those animals. Do I blame those kids in that prison for what they did? Those prisoners should never have reached prison. Prison is too good for them.
Do you think Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chas. Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy and the rest of the Loony Left have good judgement?
Did Iraq have anything to do with the war on terror? Have you seen any more attacks on American soil since we freed the Iraqi people from Saddam? Did Saddam use weapons of mass destruction against the Iranians in their war, killing thousands of soldiers with poison gas?
Yeah, I call Iraq sound judgement. And history will vindicate George Bush.
Tom Deecy//
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A short story site. http://storiesontheweb.blogspot.com/
http://tomdeecy.blogspot.com/
Yeah, only two people were actually murdered (at least that's what is admitted). Big deal. Just some hijinks
Good point. Who exactly blamed this on the soldiers? Only Bush. Only non-coms went to prison. None of those who gave the orders went to prison. And no one attacked the men and woman of the Service.
Right. Kill em all and let God sort it out afterwards.
99 percent of those arrested have eventually been released. So, I guess you feel that they should have been executed? I mean if one Iraqi kills someone, shouldn't we kill all of them?
But you just said we should kill all of them? And why should Al Qaeda attack us? We're doing exactly what they wanted us to do.
So? You mean that he was working for us? And how many dictators in the world should we invade. How about Saudi Arabia? I know, maybe Pakistan which gave away nuclear technology wholesale...
So tell us Tom, Where in the Constitution does it say, "Shoot first and ask questions later?"
Fortunately for Clinton, the Republican controlled Congress cut off the funds for our war in Somalia, so that it never turned into the fiasco of Iraq. Gosh those Republican trraitors just had no respect for our invasion. I just wish that the Democrats had the balls to do the same.
Dave
The men who wrote the US Constitution seemed to think that the RIGHT of Habeaus Corpus was so important, that it's not part of the Bill of Rights. It's embedded in the original Constitution itself.
So this photographer, has been held for a year and a half, without being charged, without anything but statements of DOOM. And they have the nerve to complain because we demand simple justice and obeying the law.
Now we have clowns who think that document is just fit to wrap fish in. They called us naive and traitors because we actually doubted that Iraq had WMD's. They called us traitors when we warned that this was going to be an endless struggle. They called us traitors when we warned, them to FIRST finish with Afghanistan.
They have a record of being 100 percent wrong - Which to their minds mean they have always been right.
Not satisfied with being completely wrong, they demand that we follow them off the next cliff...
Dave
Your love for Bush is clouding your judgement. The US was helping Sadam during the Iran war. Rumsfeld was in Iraq when the Iranians were gassed with materials supplied by the US.
The Iraq war has weakened the war on terror and has removed the attention from Afganistan and Bin Laden. You guys have been mislead all the way.
phototext
Forum Enthusiast
"hazing"
The accepted term for it is torture. CIA and private contractors with permission from Rumsfeld to attain information with no thought of the Geneva Convention.
Did you miss all the fuss about the CIA rendition program. Torture is torture no matter what you would like to call it.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld: The axis of evil.
"Did Saddam use weapons of mass destruction against the
Iranians in their war, killing thousands of soldiers with poison gas?"
Perhaps you forget the famous photograph of Sadam and Rumsfeld shaking hands and that the U.S provided finance to Iraq to prosecute the war against Iran, or is that just left wing conspiracy to tarnish the name of Saint Rumsfeld.
The accepted term for it is torture. CIA and private contractors with permission from Rumsfeld to attain information with no thought of the Geneva Convention.
Did you miss all the fuss about the CIA rendition program. Torture is torture no matter what you would like to call it.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld: The axis of evil.
"Did Saddam use weapons of mass destruction against the
Iranians in their war, killing thousands of soldiers with poison gas?"
Perhaps you forget the famous photograph of Sadam and Rumsfeld shaking hands and that the U.S provided finance to Iraq to prosecute the war against Iran, or is that just left wing conspiracy to tarnish the name of Saint Rumsfeld.
--I'll take your points in order.
Yes, the Left essentially DID make up Abu Ghraib. They didn't make up
the facts of the hazing that happened there but they did overplay a
rather minor wartime one-time event to the point of turning it into a
hate crime committed by our horrible American soldiers against poor
innocent Islamic terrorists who, given half a chance, would behead
every soldier assigned to that prison with a rusty knife and drag
their bodies around the streets. Exaggeration? Think Mogadishu
(thanks to the Clintons!). Remember the televised beheadings of
innocent newsmen in Iraq and all the other atrocities committed by
those animals. Do I blame those kids in that prison for what they
did? Those prisoners should never have reached prison. Prison is too
good for them.
Do you think Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chas. Schumer, Ted Kennedy,
Patrick Leahy and the rest of the Loony Left have good judgement?
Did Iraq have anything to do with the war on terror? Have you seen
any more attacks on American soil since we freed the Iraqi people
from Saddam? Did Saddam use weapons of mass destruction against the
Iranians in their war, killing thousands of soldiers with poison gas?
Yeah, I call Iraq sound judgement. And history will vindicate George
Bush.
Tom Deecy//
http://www.flickr.com/photos/provocative/
A short story site. http://storiesontheweb.blogspot.com/
http://tomdeecy.blogspot.com/
Douglas Hurd : In 1981, the British Foreign Minister travelled to Baghdad to sell to Saddam a British Aerospace Missile System to mark the anniversary of Saddam’s ascent to power.
Donald Rumsfeld : In December 1983, he was in Baghdad and gave tacit approval of the US to Iraq’s agression against Iran. He was there on 24th March 1984 when the United Nations accused Saddam of using mustard gas laced with nerve agent against Iranian soldiers. It should have been within Rumsfeld’s knowledge that this had been transferred by a company in Maryland, USA, licenced of the US Department of Commerce and approved by the State Department.
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FJBrad
Guest
phototext wrote:
"It's amazing how bitterness and hatred can blind so many people to the truth, and sound judgement."
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FJBrad
"It's amazing how bitterness and hatred can blind so many people to the truth, and sound judgement."
"It's amazing how bitterness and hatred can blind so many people to the truth, and sound judgement."
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FJBrad
JRP64
Senior Member
Oops, me bad, what I really meant to say or was trying to convey was news sites like CNN, ABC, Fox, NBC, etc... always try to put a spin on things and while AP is a big news site they usually are the one that the other websites get their news from when they need it really fast. I usually don't think about going to AP first to get my news first, but from other establish news sites....probably not making clearing this up on what I meant, but at least I'm trying
The other news sites in my opinion have a tendency to cave in to popular sentiment, for example CNN leans towards liberals and FOX leans towards conservatives and I think they also jump to conclusions too fast like this photographer must be guilty for the Government say so (bunch of hogwash if you ask me). I sure AP is bias towards their own and they are just defending their photographer; which I would want my employer to do if I was in a situation like that.The very military they are knocking, actually has plenty of its very own media, writers, reporters, runs or can run its own radio/TV stations, has its own photographers, videographers ------ so, this notion that the "AP Press" or any other press is all that great a thing, is quite humorous ------especially as the stated military forces, often can do a far better job of reporting than their civilian counter parts -------it's just, as with other things they do, they simply don't brag about it,
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
--
BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
--Wait! I'll go get Rosie O'Donnell. She'll straighten us out onDeecy:
But, from my observations, there's more to this whole mess than meets
the eye, in that:
1. If, the referenced military says or suspects that this person is
a problem, than that's more than likely true -- at least, it's more
than good enough for me,
2. Those sites, listed in previous messages, this Thread, appear
just as fishy and suspect to me as the "AP" stories,
3. Now, if we can't even trust the Press in this country, what gives
foreign Press, more credibility that we should all at once start
relying on and trusting them on matters of security & military
intelligence, rather than our trained/experienced and highly
respected professional military services ------- and, oh yes, the
stated military, in this instance, really can and should be trusted
----- even has it very on investigators, lawyers and judges -----
plenty of them, in fact, and all are highly competent,
--
BRJR ...
Deecy wrote:
--BRJR:
That's what I was trying to say in a shorter, more humorous (I hope)
way. The press in the U.S. is no longer to be trusted. The NY Times
motto should be changed from "All the news that's fit to print" to
"All the news that will contribute to the destruction of Conservatism
and/or the Republican party" A little long, but much more accurate.
Best,
Tom Deecy//
http://www.flickr.com/photos/provocative/
A short story site. http://storiesontheweb.blogspot.com/
http://tomdeecy.blogspot.com/
Wow, it's amazing, the great skills you, and some others profess to have; even, without any appropriate training, experience, intelligence and resources,
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
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