STF...could we maybe...

You're probably right Bill... no uniform, no pilot's license, a mug only a mother could love... guess I'll have to settle on being grouped in with the rest of the misfits... good bunch of lads though ;)

Whoah, whoah, wait a sec! I'm taller than Gary....
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~ Martin ( http://www.mpolanic.com )
 
A different sacrificial lamb every week...hmmm - sounds too much like
creating a nice warm fuzzy place to breed trolls.
Karen, wouldn't be at all surprised to see a few flamers make regular appearances on weekly critique threads (might even see Gadfly return just for that). But imo no one should have to work around things just to keep those guys away. If they pop in, let 'em, just ignore them.
Proposed recurring thread -
Photo Tip Of The Week [...]
But that's pretty much the same thing that Dave's been writing about: tips, on all things photography related, which would be a very welcome weekly feature. A weekly critique thread added in, I think, could make for a nice combination on a weekly basis. With any luck, it'll get a lot of STFers posting more meaningful feedback on photo posts in general.

I think it would work, we're all adults, we should be able to handle critique, and most of us can deal with occasional trolls/flamers, we know their real motivation is to get attention so their words shouldn't really bother anyone... think of it as a reverse-mini-challenge ;)
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~ Martin ( http://www.mpolanic.com )
 
You're probably right Bill... no uniform, no pilot's license, a mug
only a mother could love... guess I'll have to settle on being
grouped in with the rest of the misfits... good bunch of lads though
;)

Whoah, whoah, wait a sec! I'm taller than Gary....
Don't matter...He got the "Uniform" and the plane just adds to it! For some strange reason that pic of Gary by the plane made me think of Bogey and Bacall in that last scene at the airport in (fog?)...forget the name...Casablanca?
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Bill

http://www.pbase.com/bill_b
 
Yep, Casablanca, classic film, too bad they rarely make them like that one anymore!

Gary's photo reminded me of an old b&w film as well, can't for the life of me think of the title or actors but I could swear there's a scene in it that you could take a still from and line it up with busch's photo.
Don't matter...He got the "Uniform" and the plane just adds to it!
For some strange reason that pic of Gary by the plane made me think
of Bogey and Bacall in that last scene at the airport in
(fog?)...forget the name...Casablanca?
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~ Martin ( http://www.mpolanic.com )
 
But that's pretty much the same thing that Dave's been writing about
I know...all I was trying to propose was sway it away from focusing on critique - (what folks think are negatives about photos), and altering it to positive helpful lesson style inputs.

If posting weekly shots and having them shred to bits with personal opinions, "coulda done it betters", and technical nigglings is going to work well, then bring 'em on - I'll play nice! :-)

--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/golfgirl/
Sony R1 & H5


  • Karen
 
I glance through the STF a few times a week to see if there is anything interesting, but get in too late to offer my limited experience since others who are far more knowledgeable have already answered, or I sift through some incredible shots mixed in with quite a number of acceptable ones, but that already have glowing praise from more experienced members, so I do not add another "I love it".

I do not normally post anything, since my photos are more family snapshots, and I do not feel that anyone is really interested in my snapshots - and believe me, I have felt that gut wrenching agony when friends say "let's get the fourth photo album out - the one with the photos of cousin XXX on the beach" so I do not wish to inflict it on others...

I try to do a bit of creative "photo taking" (not yet up to "Photograhy"), but these efforts are humble, and would pale into insignificance if posted on the same pages as so many of the examples here.

After the... Rumpus.. (never thought I would use that word) that seems to have happened here, which I missed, this seems like a great idea, and although I could not contribute much, it sounds like a great way to bring new life into the STF.

Great Idea,

I will be lurking in a shadow.. no.. wait.. I will try to think of something I know and post it.. (any day now..)

Dario
 
just a couple of years ago. Unfortunately it fell by the wayside because of so few people who were willing to offer constructive critique. I would like to think things have changed, but I fear there are still too few of us here who truly enjoy giving and/or getting critiques of our work.

Count me in, though...
--
-Jerry
Sony V1 and H5 - Still learning...

'The camera is an instrument that teaches people how to see without a camera.'
-- Dorothea Lange

http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/root
 
It might also be helpful to some if the exposure data (i.e.: shutter speed, aperture, focal length and iso sensitivity) was also mentioned. This information is recorded along with the photo image, so is readily available to the photographer.
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Pentax K10D + Sony F828, H5 & V1
Richard
http://www.pbase.com/richarda/galleries



Chasing trains on the southern Great Plains GMT/UTC-5 (-6 winter)
 
I love all of the suggestions made in this thread. Dave, Kudos for building on the goodwill of the moment to effect a Real change here. Thanks to all who've responded.

I've always believed that that the Forum is what we make of it. Put more in, and you'll get more out. The decision and manner in which we contribute is up to each of us individually of course. Some will post pics, some will critique, some will offer technical assistance. The simple truth is that if enough of us try to make it better, statistics alone dictate that the forum will be improved.

And it hasn't been the act of image posting, or hard critiquing, or debating that has wracked the forum, or caused folks to leave. Plain and simple, it has been the Manner in which differing ideas and opinions have been expressed. Or to be more pointed, the Lack of Manners. We just need to keep cool heads.

I learned a valuable lesson this past week (re: Sky and Marion's ruckus) and that is that ONE person can make a difference here, that ONE person can change STF (for the better or the worse). And Each of us is that One person. Just think of the Funk STF would be in if Sky hadn't returned. That scar would have lasted a long time. And contrast that with the huge uplift we are now experiencing. Sky, if you've ever questioned whether you did the right thing, you have your answer here in this thread.

And personally, I'm so excited that I can't even wait until tomorrow to post a tip (though this one was in a previous thread)...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=24751414

snip
R2D2 wrote:
The sun is behind the bird and there is no way to get on the other side.
I'm usually thinking the opposite, LOL!
How do I get a shot of this bird with the bird not mostly just a blackish shadow.
As the others have mentioned (and you have experienced), backlighting
presents some serious photographic challenges: Exposure, Focusing,
Blowouts, Composition, Contrast, Flare, etc etc etc. It's far from
an impossible task though, and using some very basic techniques will
result in some spectacular shots.

Exposure: Increase your exposure until you have the look you desire
(the H9's live preview is great for this). Highlights may "blow
out." This may or may not be critical to the composition.

Aperture: I like to shoot at Maximum aperture (lowest f-number). The
depth of field will be at minimum, so you will isolate your subject
as much as possible (this will help make the subject stand out from
the background). This will also have the effect of keeping your
shutter speed as high as possible (keeping motion blur to a minimum).

ISO: Keep the ISO as low as possible (to keep the Noise down). Raise
the ISO only when motion blur becomes too much of a problem.

Focusing: Use Spot AF (Single AF). Focus on vertical lines of high
contrast.

Image Stabilization: Set Steadyshot to "Shooting." Turn off
Steadyshot when panning.

Filters: Take off any filters for this type of shooting.

Lens Hood: ALWAYS use a lens hood (for all types of shooting). If
possible, shade the lens from direct sunlight with your hand, a hat,
a tree...

Flash: I almost never add fill flash. I like the natural light look.
A "touch" of fill flash (use [ - ] Flash Exposure Compensation), can
help. IF it's completely "unnoticeable" in the resultant picture.
Just IMHO.

Shoot a lot. Vary the exposure. Expect a low keeper percentage.

Here are a few of my successful shots. EXIF is generally intact...













Use the same principles when shooting people too...



Bottom line. Don't be afraid to experiment. Shoot a lot.

end snip

I'll be up early tomorrow (Super Tuesday).
R2

ps. Some non-Sony shots in here. Please excuse.

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You are free to offer critique of any of my images.
Editing and reposting them on this forum is permitted, and even encouraged.

http://www.pbase.com/jekyll_and_hyde/galleries
 
Martin, you can quit groveling. You will see in Bill's thread that I have decided to promote you to the TOP of the list.

As to posting first, I'm still in recovery ALTHOUGH like you, I do enjoy my photos being critiqued out the kazoo. Helps me to improve and to see what others think - as long as they are being honest. See? Sometimes it is FUN to get shredded to pieces. LOL!!

OH - and I see that Bill has already jumped into the water with his carousel thread. And it's a beaut - but this time, I did make an effort to be a little more technical in my response.

Sky
 
R2 - I just knocked Gary off the top of the list and put the groveling Martin there. It's giong to break Martin's heart - but I have now decided to move you to the top of the list.

I'm sorry - you'll just have to deal with this. Martin isn't going to be happy. Then there are Bill and Charles to consider....

Seriously - I am humbled by your comments. And those photos are knock-outs!

Sky
 
Martin, you can quit groveling. You will see in Bill's thread that I
have decided to promote you to the TOP of the list.
Geeez, rub it in!
As to posting first, I'm still in recovery ALTHOUGH like you, I do
enjoy my photos being critiqued out the kazoo. Helps me to improve
and to see what others think - as long as they are being honest. See?
Sometimes it is FUN to get shredded to pieces. LOL!!

OH - and I see that Bill has already jumped into the water with his
carousel thread. And it's a beaut - but this time, I did make an
effort to be a little more technical in my response.
You did good, but what's with nt "In the message" That sure saved me from opening it! Then again other day I left one for Charles and inside wrote...Deleted. He probably still scratching his head over that one.
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Bill

http://www.pbase.com/bill_b
 
I try to do a bit of creative "photo taking" (not yet up to
"Photograhy"), but these efforts are humble, and would pale into
insignificance if posted on the same pages as so many of the examples
here.
You are someone who should post a photo you have tried to shoot not just as a snapshot, but as "Creative Photo Taking". explain what you were trying to achieve and how you went about it and then ask if we could help you. I think it would help to achieve your goal to be able to classify your photos as Photography!
Bill
Bill

http://www.pbase.com/bill_b
 
Well I'm staying right where I am on that list cause I am not getting down on my knees and "Groveling" like some people here!!!! Especially after how long was he on top? 1/2 hour...1 hour. Oh I hope the poor guy doesn't see this post.

Isn't the word for that....fickle as a woman? Well, I suppose now I may be slipping down that list. Guess I'm gonna have to think of something really good now.
R2 - I just knocked Gary off the top of the list and put the
groveling Martin there. It's giong to break Martin's heart - but I
have now decided to move you to the top of the list.

I'm sorry - you'll just have to deal with this. Martin isn't going
to be happy. Then there are Bill and Charles to consider....

Seriously - I am humbled by your comments. And those photos are
knock-outs!

Sky
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Bill

http://www.pbase.com/bill_b
 
Very good info and examples here!

PS Ilove that first comment to you on your pbase site! Sweet. I'm still smiling from it. that's ok , i have a few on mine like that one.
Bill
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Bill

http://www.pbase.com/bill_b
 
...also, one of the most valuable responses to something like a tip or trick, is how easy it is to understand.....

Don't be shy about speaking up, honestly the negative response to a "newbie" question is really rare around here. Most of the time people will either ignore it or give you a really good answer.

I stick around STF because theres always something new to learn, and I try to give back by watching for questions that don't get answered and are running down the page.

Jump in anytime...or just lurk we don't mind
dave
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I love Sony!
 
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Thank you for looking and if you commented thanks for that also.

Oh yeah you can download and PP all you like.

Between us we may get a worthwhile photo.

Marion one of those Duc Klub people.

Wild life photographer or wild photographer?

 

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