She's Dead, Jim. DX with a fork in it:

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Today I got a call from my ex-girlfriend. She's done quite a bit of food photography for companies like Pepsi, Chilli's and Taco Bell. We had a long talk about the new Nikon bodies coming and we came to some interesting conclusions. Take them as you will.

The DX Format is dead.

Yep, I'm sorry to report this, but it's true. The D300 and 40D are among the last of the higher end DX based systems. The D300 may not be the last of it's kind, but the final step of it's evolution will be in a full sized sensor. As the FX sensors get cheaper to build, the DX sensor will go the way of the 1.3 MP cameras and the Atari 800.

There's just no logic in the DX sensor any more and Nikon and Canon surely know it. An FX sensor gives the type of images everyone wants and it can even mimic the 1.5 crop factor if desired. In fact it can do an even deeper crop with a high MP sensor and easily beat any current DX based cameras.

It's been a good run for DX and it will probably stick around on the level of D40's and D80's and Nikon might feel an obligation towards those who own DX lenses. But lets keep in mind that DX lenses can also work on FX sensors as well, so that brings us back to DX surviving a bit longer for entry level. Eventually that will be gone as well.
So...this is the prediction:

D300 final DX based high end camera from Nikon to be replaced by a FX based camera (D400) that will be like a D3 but probably back down to 5 FPS. It will use a further refined version of the D3 sensor. About 1500.00 US and we'll see this in about 2 years.

D2Hs to be replaced by a D3H. This camera will be a slower version of the current D3 and probably come out a year before the D400, or perhaps quite soon. At about 3500.00, they'll sell a lot of these.

The D3 will be replaced by the D4 which will have to be even faster than the D3 and probably go to 16 or even 20 MP. That will be a logical end spec for the FX sensor.

Eventually Nikon and Canon sensors will all be FX and all about the same. Like the "old" days of 35mm film, we'll buy cameras based on ergonomics, build quality and speed. Higher end models will get sensor tweaks of course, but they will mean much less than they do now. Within a few years a thousand dollar D80 type DSLR will have a better full sized sensor than is currently in the D3. These are good times, but better ones lay ahead.

Some of us will keep our old DX based cameras and they'll continue to take amazing pictures for years to come.

But make no mistake about it. DX is toast. It's dead, Jim. Shuttering off this mortal coil. Photographing the farm. Off to that big lab in the sky. Kicking the photobucket and joining Laser Discs, Pet Rocks, The Vic 20, and the AMC Pacer as a semi-fond techno memory. Okay, maybe not the Pet Rocks, but the Pacer was cool!

And there you have it.

Thomas
 
I talked to the gardener today and he said that he'd overheard some nikon and canon execs talking about how they'd use SWAT teams to hunt down all of the registered APS-C and DX camera owners, to confiscate their cameras and force them, at gunpoint, to go down to the local camera store and buy a FF camera.

We are doomed! :-(

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Not worth a dicussion because neither you, neither me have access to the future, so let's call your "prediction" wishful thinking.
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Really, either one of you working for a camera manufacturer? Like Nikon or Canon - even Minolta or Olympus? If not - - just stop this unnecessary posting of threads where you really have nothing to add but your on hypothesis.

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You forgot about those cameras down in the entry-level DSLR range, such as the D40 and D40X. Nikon and Canon won't give up the mid-step between P&S and pro.
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It doesn't really matter. We all have it made if we have any experience because the new equipment we use today is to easy to get great ressults.
What are they gonna do make it easier.......LOL

Thats all we need is for even more people to buy a camera and say I wanna do weddings......................Ouch!!!!!

It's funny how many people said the D2H was so bad with skinn and in consistant ressults yet it works for me ??

Everyone is always looking for the easy way out . They want a point and shoot that works.

So what if they don't use a DX anymore. I bought Mamiya 6 camera's when they were stopped being built even 10 years after that I still bought them at 800 to 1000 used. I am selling them now after making alot of money with them and they still go for 800 for the body............Firure that out? makes no sense or was I the smart guy and bought the right camera. Yep that was it.

The same with your old D1 or D2H it still can make a image and be great.

What many people here don't realize or even understand is that when I was shooting wedding even 5 years ago, people still shot with a old beat-up FM2 and had no problem. Now the whole world has to have the best this and the best that....................................not really, only here on DP review.

You have to keep in mind and stay in the understanding that we on DP review are picky and count pixels. Many others don't waste time talking her and are out making money. But believe me us that waste time (i'm kidding) are gonna always be better than the average shooter and always be on top of our game, no matter what type sensor we have.

Just got back from a wedding tonite and have another tomorrow. Niether bride cares about my sensor. They both will feed me, Pay me and I will dance with the bride.

It is a great time for us photographers, Enjoy it. Fred
 
Thankfully I only one one DX lens. That's my Sigma 10-20mm, all the rest are FF and the remaining ones are too. So if in 2009 I need to replace my D200 with (since we're taling about the future) a D500 I'm sure it will be backwards compatable. If not then I can sell my Sigma 10-20 (even at a loss) and still have gotten my monies worth from it.
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Sorry, but you don't have a clue about sensor costs - that leads to the nonsense you wrote.
 
Hi Thomas ,

I talk to my trash collector every Monday morning . He worked at NASA For forty years Before he got smart and started collecting trash .

And guess what . He said All the new cameras from Nikon and Canon will have only one pixel . he say's It is the Pixels that cause all the noise , not the light .

I believe him because he worked for NASA before He Graduated to trash collecting .
 
When I say that I much, much prefer the DX format to the FX. FX definitely has its place and advantages, but if I can get a clean image in daylight or cloud cover at 1/2000s or less with a DX sensor, (and I am there with my D200) I don't need to reinvest in more high end glass to cover the reach I have with my 70-200mm.

Sorry, but I just do not have $5k to get a 200-400mm VR.

A f-mount 5D would be a nice option for no-flash situations, but that is a secondary or tertiary concern for me.

chad

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You and your ex-girlfriend figured out the photographic roadmap all by yourselves did you? C'mon... don't lie. Your parents helped you didn't they?

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Interesting opinion. But lets be honest just because you "know" someone who works full time as a photographer doesn't mean DX will stop just because she/he thinks so.

Its your opinion, not a valid one, but still your opinion.

heres why... because its my opinion. DX will last as long as people insist on buying it. There might be a big difference between target audiences say DX vs FX. Just as there is PC vs MAC. both have equally professional qualities and appeals to professionals and consumers alike. MACs are used by most media industry where as PCs are common in homes and smaller or larger businesses.
 
I think DX will be like the old 35mm film -- a permanent format made possible by the necessity of past technical limitations.

I switched to FF from Nikon thinking, why would i want to invest thousands in DX lenses that will be outdated soon. True, it might be a mistake to buy a 17-55DX at this point.

But the added telephoto reach you get with DX, the added depth of field, the compact (and cheap, if you talking Sigma or Tokina) ultrawide zooms make DX a contender for a long time to come.

You really just need a Sigma 30mm 1.4 and you can live with DX.

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The main difference between DX and FX is a matter of sensor size. The principles of photography, Composition, Exposure, Colour, Contrast, Depth of Field etc, all still remain.

Learn how to master and enjoy Photography rather than worrying silly about what will be the future of DX or FX or even MF.
 
Did the death of DX have anything to do with you guys breaking up? I sure hope not! Maybe it was a Canon vs. Nikon thing? Either way I do hope you talk it over with your therapist. Obviously that burned bridge keeps floating up to the surface ;-)
 
Believe it or not, even the FX will be replaced some day. Such is life.
In the meantime, enjoy what we have.
 

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