D60 is sold; 1D available ... Should I grab it?

BMarkey · Apr 11, 2002

I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer, until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again. With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60 when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine, otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me, compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers: [email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm
---------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

UncleMikey · Apr 11, 2002

"Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?"

I bought a 1D this week and there is no way that I "NEED" that level of camera for my level of skill.

HOWEVER, I have friends who pay $10,000 ++ for snowmobiles and other such toys becuase they like them, they enjoy them. I enjoy photography and i want 'one of the best' to play with, and to learn with. I want something that can produce great results. A quality machine! Not much different from someone who goes out and buys another kind of toy. I am sure I use my camera many more hours each year than the average guy who buys the snowmobile, RV, or boat. And the camera, even though it is a VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA, is still lots cheaper than those other things.

At least thats how I see it in my own mind.

Mike

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

John Davis · Apr 11, 2002

Forgive me... but I am not sure I understood you correctly. So let me get this straight:

1 - you owned a D60
2 - your dealer offered you a 1D at a good price
3 - you decided to sell your D60
4 - but... you are uncertain about buying the 1D
5 - if you do not buy the 1D you will buy another D60

Let me ask you: if you are considering steps 4 and 5 why step 3? Didn't you jump the gun? or... perhaps you did not like your D60 copy and decided to get rid of it anyway, and either get a 1D or see if you would like better another D60 copy?

Amazing... simply amazing!

John

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Anthony · Apr 11, 2002

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

Priorities might kick in here.

BMarkey said:
I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

You pretty much answered that question.
Are you shooting high speed?

BMarkey said:
Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Nice image indeed from both cameras. You'll be happier with the images from the 1D at higher ISO settings. Other than that, it's pretty much a draw.

BMarkey said:
Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Nope

BMarkey said:
Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

Keep them. I have a feeling you're gonna need them someday.

I looked at your web site. I think you're a candidate to be very happy with the 1D. ...As long as the weight and size don't bother you.
Sports pics are its specialty.

Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Wiley Denson · Apr 11, 2002

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Hi Bob:

I'm not sure I or anyone else can respond to your financial concerns; perhaps you and your significant other had better discuss it first.

As far as the 1D as opposed to the D60 is concerned, if the D60 is anything like the D30, which I have used for a year, I would say don't look back, do it now. The D60 is probably pretty much the same as the D30 as far as handling is concerned, and when it comes to what you are wanting to do with the camera there is nothing better than the 1D. I won't compare to the Nikon D1 series...that's another issue entirely.

I have never used the D60, but I would imagine that in a controlled environment, portraits, landscapes, animal shots in the zoo etc, the D60 might surpass the 1D, but that's not what you say you want to do with the camera.

The 1D has fast and accurate autofocus, amazing response, rapid shooting, complete control of what you want to do as far as exposure and speed are concerned, a multitude of outstanding pro features, and the list goes on and on. The only caviat is the price, but you get what you pay for.

Since I have had my 1D (almost a month) the D30 has only come out once and it went back within 60 seconds because it wouldn't focus the way I had become used to on the 1D.

I am totally pleased with mine, despite the AMEX bill I'm looking at today. That's one man's opinion.--Wileythe other Wiley

Clint Thayer #32755 · Apr 11, 2002

MMC said:
"Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?"

I purchased an EOS-1D last week and returned it yesterday. I shot over 200 photos with it and determined this:

1. The auto focus- though powerful- is not enough to combat the dreaded "front focus" problem which plagued so many of my shots. Check the last photo in my EOS-1D gallery.

2. The camera really has to be tweaked in order to maximize potential. Out of the box-- the images may be slightly dark with highlights underexposed. You need to learn this camera in and out. When you do, it will respond with good photos.

3. It is significantly heavy. And that may not allow you to use this fine tool as a spontaneous picture taker. Spend some money for a proper shoulder and neck grip for this and learn to handle it properly.

4. Photo results: At the risk of being flamed, I have to say that the image quality is not up to the almost organic fantastic quality of the D60 imager. And I'm not talking resolution or low noise. Just accuracy-- and the ability to resolve subtle shadings. My best friend has a D60 and both of us agree that the D60 has an entirely different patina. For better of for worse it up to the user, of course. For delicate photography, the D60 may be a better choice.

5. Inability to conveniently make adjustments in the EOS-1D. All user profiling must be done at the PC stage. Which means if you want to affect a subtle imaging characteristic out in the desert, you're out of luck. Make sure you do your profiling before your photo shoot.

That being said, of course, most of this really means nothing in the hands of a professional photographer who can work wonders with this amazing machine. It is not a learning machine at all-- most pros would have graduated from other top notch equipment. Don't make the mistake of buying it because your worries about focusing are over. 45 points of focusing error still is bad as 3 points of focusing error. The AF servo is a tool-- but it won't do the thinking for you. One thing is for certain, the damn thing is fast!

Good luck with your decision!

UncleMikey said:
I bought a 1D this week and there is no way that I "NEED" that
level of camera for my level of skill.

HOWEVER, I have friends who pay $10,000 ++ for snowmobiles and
other such toys becuase they like them, they enjoy them. I enjoy
photography and i want 'one of the best' to play with, and to learn
with. I want something that can produce great results. A quality
machine! Not much different from someone who goes out and buys
another kind of toy. I am sure I use my camera many more hours
each year than the average guy who buys the snowmobile, RV, or
boat. And the camera, even though it is a VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA,
is still lots cheaper than those other things.

At least thats how I see it in my own mind.

Mike

Bob Markey II said:

I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

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--Clint http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

Patrick Hayden · Apr 11, 2002

ley Denson said:
Bob Markey II said:

I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

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Hi Bob:

I'm not sure I or anyone else can respond to your financial
concerns; perhaps you and your significant other had better discuss
it first.

As far as the 1D as opposed to the D60 is concerned, if the D60 is
anything like the D30, which I have used for a year, I would say
don't look back, do it now. The D60 is probably pretty much the
same as the D30 as far as handling is concerned, and when it comes
to what you are wanting to do with the camera there is nothing
better than the 1D. I won't compare to the Nikon D1 series...that's
another issue entirely.

I have never used the D60, but I would imagine that in a controlled
environment, portraits, landscapes, animal shots in the zoo etc,
the D60 might surpass the 1D, but that's not what you say you want
to do with the camera.

The 1D has fast and accurate autofocus, amazing response, rapid
shooting, complete control of what you want to do as far as
exposure and speed are concerned, a multitude of outstanding pro
features, and the list goes on and on. The only caviat is the
price, but you get what you pay for.

Since I have had my 1D (almost a month) the D30 has only come out
once and it went back within 60 seconds because it wouldn't focus
the way I had become used to on the 1D.

I am totally pleased with mine, despite the AMEX bill I'm looking
at today. That's one man's opinion.
--
Wiley

the other Wiley

BMarkey · Apr 11, 2002

Thanks for the advice.

As for the critic out there, I am more than likely going to get the 1D, but just looking for a little last-minute advice. The 1D offer and D60 sale were a matter of timing.

Some of you people ought to find something more important to do than be so critical of and sarcastic about nearly every post. This place is supposed to be enjoyable. Can't we chill out a bit and get along?

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

---------------------------------Bob Markey II http://www.palmswestpress.comRoyal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

t_streng@t-online.de · Apr 12, 2002

I had a D30 and a 1v, they stole my D30 8 weeks ago, so I had to decide what I do.

What I did is got a D60, after testing it 2 days and comparing to my 1v - I will keep the D60, I will wait if they bring a 1Ds (where I maybe can screw the "motor"-grip off if I need a smaller camera (I like the size of the 1v without additional motorgrip) and until prices (hopefully) of the EosD1(s) will go down. In a long time I WANT a camera with build quality of a 1v, in a short term I think it is a time now, where you loose a lot of money in a short amount of time. In maybe 1 year we might get a pro-build body with a resolution which will satisfy us for the next 5 years for 4k$.

I would pay the 6k now, if I new I had a tool for the next 5 years, but I am not willing to pay them if I get something better for 4k in 1 year.

The D60 is a very good compromise for the waiting time, shutter lag is very good for me and to be honest, personally I would like to be interested, how many percent of pics you could shoot focused well with a 1D whioch you couldnt with a D60. The best AF still is too slow sometimes. I kind of think that there many situations which are static, or prefocuable, or so slow that yopu could shoot them with either slow or fast AF, there are many which are to fast for either slow or fast AF, and not so many in between.
What do you think? Shutter lag for me more important than AF-speed.

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

--RegardsTom

GMD · Apr 12, 2002

MMC said:
"Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?"

I bought a 1D this week and there is no way that I "NEED" that
level of camera for my level of skill.

HOWEVER, I have friends who pay $10,000 ++ for snowmobiles and
other such toys becuase they like them, they enjoy them. I enjoy
photography and i want 'one of the best' to play with, and to learn
with. I want something that can produce great results. A quality
machine! Not much different from someone who goes out and buys
another kind of toy. I am sure I use my camera many more hours
each year than the average guy who buys the snowmobile, RV, or
boat. And the camera, even though it is a VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA,
is still lots cheaper than those other things.

At least thats how I see it in my own mind.

Mike

I like your attitude .. your honest to yourself
and I hope you'll enjoy many hours of fun with
your toy.

gmd

Fred Bopp · Apr 12, 2002

I have my 1D for about a month and still have the D30 which I used for 18 months. No comparison. The 1D has so many options I would be surprised if you could not set it up to meet your needs. The fast autofocus is not the only feature, although, outstanding. The 1D is built like a tank. Very weatherproof which works for me around salt water. The selectable color matrix allows you to shoot for the type of results you find best. I use 3 for more color sturation and 1 for moving objects as in racing. There are many other features you won't find on other cameras also.
The price is heavy but I spent the money and will not look back.
Regards, Fred

Thomas Streng said:
Bob Markey II said:

I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

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--
Regards
Tom

t_streng@t-online.de · Apr 12, 2002

I have been close to spend it too. If I only knew that there would not be something similar or better in 12 months from now and the camera would keep its value. If there were no D60 and 100d - well, than there was no choice, its just hard to justify the extra money and honestly:

I think its more a emotional thing than really getting a much better tool. I never missed selectable color matrix, I never had a weatherproof problem with my D30, maybe I like the multispot-metering on my 1v, but than again, looking at the results I get well exposed slides with my M6 with just using center weighted metering.

So here my next theory: for many of us a 1D and having the options is just more fun when photographing but does not lead to better pictures.

Lets compare it to a car - a Porsche might be more fun than a Volkswagen, but in most of the cases it wont get you faster to your target.
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Fred Bopp said:
Thomas Streng said:

Bob Markey II said:

I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

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Regards
Tom

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--RegardsTom

Bill White · Apr 12, 2002

The 1D ISO 1600 is usable whereas the D30 is pretty noisy and the D60 does not have it.

I have two 1D batteries and find that to be enough. Soccer with the 100-400 eats one up per game but it also used up at least one BP511 per game.

The 1D autofocus is much better than the D30. According to the posts here, the D60 and D30 are almost identical. With the D30, 20% to 25% would be out of focus. With the 1D, its more like 2%.The ability to shoot many more in sequence is also a bonus.

For sports, the 1D is the one to have it you can spare the cash.

If you do get one, remember to condition your batteries first by three continous recharge and refresh cycles.

As other posters have noted, it is more complicated to use but the results are worth learning the camera.

I do not have a D60 so I cannot compare the quality. My guess is that in the perfect world you might want both.

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

--Bill

Richard Kent · Apr 12, 2002

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Tom Melanson · Apr 12, 2002

Thomas Streng said:
I have been close to spend it too. If I only knew that there would
not be something similar or better in 12 months from now and the
camera would keep its value. If there were no D60 and 100d - well,
than there was no choice, its just hard to justify the extra money
and honestly:

I think its more a emotional thing than really getting a much
better tool. I never missed selectable color matrix, I never had a
weatherproof problem with my D30, maybe I like the
multispot-metering on my 1v, but than again, looking at the results
I get well exposed slides with my M6 with just using center
weighted metering.
So here my next theory: for many of us a 1D and having the options
is just more fun when photographing but does not lead to better
pictures.
Lets compare it to a car - a Porsche might be more fun than a
Volkswagen, but in most of the cases it wont get you faster to your
target.
Opinions

For the amateur, camera/lens weight is a bigger factor too. A camera left at home or in the hotel room because it's a PITA to carry, is a camera not about to take many pictures. This is one of the reasons I like the D30. For its capabilities, it is lightweight. Pros OTOH are on the job and must carry whatever is needed to accomplish the shoot.

JohnE · Apr 12, 2002

Bob,

I've had a D30 for well over a year and a 1D for about 2 months now. I shoot approx. 25,000 shot a year with 2/3rd's going to sports (polo & surfing) and the other third to studio commerical (product packaging) and portraits.

The D30 is my back up camera now and I occasionally use if for the commercial shots. However, I didn't buy the 1D for its picture quality, I bought it for its high fps and great/fast AF for sports.

I got exactly what I was hoping for, the ability to consistently get good sports action shots when I press the shutter. A great bonus from the 1D has been the quality of the shots from the studio (in my opinion).

For me... had I not been so heavy into sports, I'm relatively certain that I would not have purchased the 1D. I was (and I still am) very satisfied with the quality produced by the D30. In the studio, if AF didn't work well, I just switched to manual.

Best of luck in your decision.
John

Bob Markey II said:
I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Richard Kent · Apr 12, 2002

Bob,

It seems like you want the 1d and if you are like me once it is in your mind you won't be happy till you have one in your hands. If you rent one and use it for day you won't want to give it up.

I am lucky enough to have photography pay for my equipment. I have a D30 and it just didn't give me the results I needed in my shoots, not that the pictures weren't acceptable but many times I missed a shot because the camera just didn't focus and react quick enough. I shot film instead with my 1n.

I also need to know a camera will work in all weather conditions when on a job and will hold up to shooting 1200 shots on an assignment and be handled a little rough occassionally.

The pixel size is plenty for me as I don't need large prints, in fact the D30 was plenty in almost all cases.

It came to the fact of GETTING the picture vs MISSING the picture and that more than made up for the price of the camera.

This camera feels like the 1 series and handles like it. No contest when compared to the D60.

IF you shoot alot it will pay for itself in the end, the megapixel issue is overblown I feel. You can always use software processing afterwards to get a good large image if needed, that is, if you have an image, which I feel the D30-D60 may cause you to miss. Who cares if you have 6 megapixels of an out of focus or a just a little late shot of once in a lifetime moment. Get the 1D you won't be sorry.
rich

Steve13285 · Apr 12, 2002

MB,

I really appreciate your analysis. I've heard of about all of these issues - even from the "pros" on this forum. Clearly this camera has many strengths but it is not perfect and there are equally as many trade-offs with this camera as with the D60. I guess when we hear Paul Pope complaining about significant problems with the 1D we'll know the honeymoon is REALLY over.

The focus and shooting speed are what attract me, but observations such as yours make me question claims that the photo "quality" is better with the 1D. I guess if you want to spend your evenings in front of the computer with Breezebrowser, Photoshop, QImagePro, and countless other tools to get your pictures looking great, it's a real marvel.

Hopefully I can borrow a 1D in the near future and make my own assessment. I crave the speed but I would not be willing to sacrifice image quality.
Steve

Michael Martin · Apr 12, 2002

Bob Markey II said:
Thanks for the advice.

As for the critic out there, I am more than likely going to get the
1D, but just looking for a little last-minute advice. The 1D offer
and D60 sale were a matter of timing.

Some of you people ought to find something more important to do
than be so critical of and sarcastic about nearly every post. This
place is supposed to be enjoyable. Can't we chill out a bit and get
along?

You're right about the sarcasm on this site. I'm not really sure why people behave like this but they do. I have the EOS 1D and love it. Most of the 1D problems people have commented on have not occured in my camera. In fact the big difference between the D60 problems or shortfalls and the 1D problems, is the 1D problems can be corrected by repair. The D60 autofocus or slower burst cannot be corrected.

This site also has a very loyal D30 following and there are a lot of people commenting about the 1D who have never picked up the camera and take it very serious that Canon didn't put the CMOS chip in the 1D. I would say most of the 1D bashing is coming from D30 owners who feel threathened by the very existence of the 1D.

BMarkey said:
Bob Markey II said:

I shot high school baseball and tennis today and finally made the
decision that I could live with the D60 for at least the summer,
until the quick-movement, nighttime, low-light sports start again.
With the D60, I enjoyed being able to crop a great deal and still
come out with a sharp image.

Then I got home and received an offer from my D30/D60 dealer to buy
a new 1D he has (deal with another buyer fell through) at a good
price. So I reconnected with a reader here who needs a D60 very
quickly, and sold the D60 to him tonight. He will have my week-old
D60 on Saturday.

Now, 1D shooters, please tell me .. should I bite the bullet and
get the 1D (even though it will require me to borrow $2,500 from an
important and needed savings account), or wait and get another D60
when they become available again?

I do not shoot full time. But I love photography and am very
frustrated with the D30/D60's AI Servo. The camera is fine,
otherwise.

Will I be happy with the 4-megapixel 1D image compared to that of
the D60? Will the relatively expensive 1D battery frustrate me,
compared to the great BP-511.

Will I be so blown away by the 1D that the huge price will be soon
forgotten?

Help me get over this final hurdle, or wait for another opportunity.

Thanks.

BTW, I have a month-old, like-new-in-the-box battery grip for the
D30/D60 for sale, as well as a week-old, brand new BP-511 clone
battery. All USA, with warranty, etc. Make offers:
[email protected]

My sports pics from today can be viewed later at:

http://www.palmswestpress.com/photos.htm

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Click to expand...

--
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Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.

Dave Knadler · Apr 12, 2002

Funny, the snowmobile argument is precisely the justification I use for buying cameras and computers. Great minds ....

MMC said:
HOWEVER, I have friends who pay $10,000 ++ for snowmobiles and
other such toys becuase they like them, they enjoy them.

D60 is sold; 1D available ... Should I grab it?

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