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No mention of the DP1 being on show at Photo Plus Expo at NY

10/16/2007

Visit us at Photo Plus Expo, October 18-20, 2007, at the Jacob Javits Convention

Center in NYC, Booth 1144.

Sigma Corporation of America is pleased to announce that we will be exhibiting at the Photo Plus Expo, October 18-20, 2007, at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in New York City, Booth 1144. We will display the latest Sigma products, including the 18-200mmm F3.5-6.3 OS (Optically Stabilized) zoom lens, and new HSM lenses for Nikon digital cameras and lenses for Four Thirds system digital cameras, and the new EF530 DG flash units, as well as the SD14 digital SLR and other current Sigma lenses.

We will also display prints of comparison images made by the Sigma SD14 camera and two models of other major brands of digital SLRs. You can see for yourself how the image quality of the Sigma SD14 compares to that of the other cameras.

This will also be the first opportunity to see and experience the new Sigma PhotoPro Demo CD featuring Photo Pro v3.0 software and a selection of X3F raw image files made with the SD14 camera. It will help illustrate the image quality of the SD14 camera, powered by the Foveon Direct Image Sensor.
 
I would hope everyone has forgot about the DP1!

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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
 
There must be some serious snags in the DP1 to delay it so long. It's been over a year I think.
 
dai said:
No mention of the DP1 being on show at Photo Plus Expo at NY

10/16/2007

Visit us at Photo Plus Expo, October 18-20, 2007, at the Jacob Javits
Convention

Center in NYC, Booth 1144.

We will also display prints of comparison images made by the Sigma
SD14 camera and two models of other major brands of digital SLRs. You
can see for yourself how the image quality of the Sigma SD14 compares
to that of the other cameras.
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This comparison will be interesting and I am sure will receive positive response from the editorials - just a shame I wont be in NY for this show.

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They might be redesigning the whole camera. The delay turned me off at first but now it is starting to get me again because of the possiblilty of some really new hardware features. Purely speculation, of course!

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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
 
On the plus side, this does speak well of Sigma. To make sure they get it right before the release. Many others would have simply released a camera that they knew had problems, and dealt with it after the fact. I think some thought the M8 fell into this category. But it would seem when the DP1 does appear, it will be without flaws.
 
dai said:
We will also display prints of comparison images made by the Sigma
SD14 camera and two models of other major brands of digital SLRs. You
can see for yourself how the image quality of the Sigma SD14 compares
to that of the other cameras.
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Personally, the only image comparisons I really trust are those I make.
 
Hello Jim
Jim Rucker said:
On the plus side, this does speak well of Sigma. To make sure they
get it right before the release. Many others would have simply
released a camera that they knew had problems, and dealt with it
after the fact.
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Like the SD-14, you mean?

It was also delayed due to not disclosed reasons, and was still flawed when released. Not very serious errors, but anyway. We had to discover these errors ourselves, Sigma did not tell what they knew was wrong.
Jim Rucker said:
I think some thought the M8 fell into this category.
But it would seem when the DP1 does appear, it will be without flaws.
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Yeah, right. :-)

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Like..

....patent / legal problems?

Which techniques they need to use are patented and what do the licenses cost? Or what do the lawyers cost to fight this all out?

...commercial considerations / risk management.

If the Sd14 costs €500-600 what can the reasonably ask for the DP1? And is that enough to pay for R&D and production facilities?

What if another maker brings an APS-sized compact right after the launch? It could make the Sigma DP1 an expensive coffin for the future of all Sigma cameras.

Just wait and see.
I think Sigma is taking the safe road. They can't afford a too risky adventure.

They managed so far to make fine camera's using a risky alternative technique and so far they didn't collapse.
A lot of other brands can't say that (Minolta e.g.).

The fact that the SD14 hasn't the most state of the art specs (framerate etc.) has -i guess- a lot to do with the fact that have to take in account that big risky investments in cameras with a sensor technique that's in it's early days could potentially be suicidal. They could not sell the SD14 for these prices if it had Canon 1dIII specs.

People have to switch to another sensor-technique AND to a brand they hitherto associated with budget-priced lenses. (photographers are very very conservative) Sigma needs time to make people realise that
a) Foveon could mean something very special

and b) that Sigma does make (more and more) qualitative very good lenses end accesories.

Even if the SD14 is'nt perfect. It at least keeps the Foveon dream alive.

Patience is a good thing here.
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regards, Harry

http://album.zoom.nl/user/hybybyte (dutch)
 
I am looking for an unobtrusive digital camera that can be used for candid street portraits, and prefer one with a wide angle lens. The Leicas attracted my attention, but I think the little red dot carries a premium in the price. The Nikon Coolpix 8400 was next because it had an ultra-wide (for a compact) 24mm lens and opened up to f2.8. I almost purchased one this week when I stumbled onto a description of the sigma dp1. This website said it was announced in September 2006, but I don't see it on sale yet anywhere.

A few questions: what gives? Does anyone have any insights on when or if this camera will come to market? I don't need the camera immediately, so I'm wondering if I should wait awhile to see if Sigma was really serious when it announced this camera. Any advice? Thanks, Keefe.
 
hybybyte said:
...commercial considerations / risk management.
If the Sd14 costs €500-600 what can the reasonably ask for the
DP1? And is that enough to pay for R&D and production facilities?
What if another maker brings an APS-sized compact right after the
launch? It could make the Sigma DP1 an expensive coffin for the
future of all Sigma cameras.
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I think those costs all occurred already so they would not be taken into consideration.
hybybyte said:
They could not sell the SD14 for these prices if it had Canon 1dIII
specs.
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I too think the minimal specs Sigma sticks to with their cameras does make sense. Keeping it simple and (relatively) cheap. The money is in the lenses as it was in film for Polaroid. Polaroid too had an interesting alternative technology. But I reckon Polaroid did not make enough money from users of other systems. Sigma can sell lenses to anybody.
hybybyte said:
People have to switch to another sensor-technique AND to a brand they
hitherto associated with budget-priced lenses. (photographers are
very very conservative) Sigma needs time to make people realise that
a) Foveon could mean something very special
and b) that Sigma does make (more and more) qualitative very good
lenses end accesories.
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So true, the bit about conservatism. Marketing would be important and this is not Sigma's strongest point.
hybybyte said:
Even if the SD14 is'nt perfect. It at least keeps the Foveon dream
alive.
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Well it is not a dream right? Guess we all get along well with our cameras. :)
Cannot wait for my SD14 to arrive.

O.
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shutterbug_houston wrote:
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shutterbug_houston said:
A few questions: what gives? Does anyone have any insights on when or
if this camera will come to market? I don't need the camera
immediately, so I'm wondering if I should wait awhile to see if Sigma
was really serious when it announced this camera. Any advice? Thanks,
Keefe.
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My recent personal impressions: Yes, Sigma was 'really serious when it announced this camera." When readers who follow the situation closely post that there is no set release date -- that's true not a teaser line.

I've just spent the week taking GBs of photos with the SD14, carrying it and various lenses back and forth between conference buildings and locations. The SD14 with a 70-200mmEX attached isn't unobtrusive ;-) I think my arms are fractionally longer from all the carrying. I shot mostly ISO400 inside with the 70-200mmEX with custom white balance, no flash. Lighting was awful. The guy doing the video recording and I commiserated and compared notes last evening LOL. I also used my 28-70mmEX on reception shots and outdoors and the 10-20mmEX on Lake George last night at sunset or should I say fog-set.

But I do have some good shots, including many of the friend and 'guru' I admire tremendously, Foveon's Carver Mead, who gave the grande finale keynote last night. I'm still in NY, don't know when I'll get some photos online... I'll try.

And I'm not doing a 'teaser' by not commenting on the DP1 other than above. Carver and I primarily talked about the SD14, portfolio prints I had along, and overall I 'showed off' my SD14/with Foveon inside to the conference attendees. Many same attendees had seen me with a beta-beta SD14 last year, this year the fully 1.05 firmware functional SD14 was mine. Progress comes sometimes at varying speeds.
Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann
 
At one point I though the question was "when it is coming to market." Now I am beginning to think the question is "if it is coming to market."

We will see - we will see all in due time.
shutterbug_houston said:
A few questions: what gives? Does anyone have any insights on when or
if this camera will come to market? I don't need the camera
immediately, so I'm wondering if I should wait awhile to see if Sigma
was really serious when it announced this camera. Any advice? Thanks,
Keefe.
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Truman
http://www.pbase.com/tprevatt
 
Let's hope that whoever said that the delay maybe is occurring because the camera is getting a major re-think has a point.

Think of the cool things they might be adding.

Me, I vote for a choice of a couple lenses. How about a 28mm eq., with a couple screw-ons that would get it to 50mm, then maybe 100mm?

How about a lens you could focus with a ring around the lens?

And maybe a small investment in industrial design - make it really desirable at first glance.
 
dai said:
We will also display prints of comparison images made by the Sigma
SD14 camera and two models of other major brands of digital SLRs. You
can see for yourself how the image quality of the Sigma SD14 compares
to that of the other cameras.
Click to expand...
Did they actually do that?

From the comments and pictures I've seen posted here, there didn't seem to be anything of that sort.

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Thanks,
Gary.
 
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