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Does that mean that the E3 can improve over non-OIS cameras by 5 f-stops? If so, that makes it an INTERESTING camera. Is that what you mean by EVIL?
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Interesting, yes. Ouch on the price, though. Some very interesting lenses announced in that press release, too - but I can't imagine the price of those. I guess it's time to start buying lottery tickets.

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SterlingBjorndahl said:
Some very interesting lenses announced in that press release, too - but I can't imagine the price of those.
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From fourthirdsphoto.com

U.S. Pricing / Product Configurations
ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 12-60mm f2.8-4.0 SWD Estimated Street Price: $999.99
ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 50-200mm f2.8-3.5 SWD Estimated Street Price: $1,199.99
ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 14-35mm f2.0 SWD Estimated Street Price: $2,299.99
ZUIKO DIGITAL 2x Teleconverter EC-20 Estimated Street Price: $479.99

I am really interested in the 12-60, but $1000 street price is out of my league, as is the E3.

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price,weight, and lack of Mode-A Liveview (which none of the newer cameras have) in the quick reading I've done so far. One of my primary reasons for going Oly was light gear. But on both counts, it supposed to be a pro-level camera, and everybody knows that pros have money to burn and love to drag around heavy kits cuz it makes 'em feel all,,, well, professional. :-)

Seriously, though, I imagine if you factor in the still much-lighter lenses, the overall package fairs well weight-wise against the Canikon offerings. Price-wise, not so much, I gather. For that matter, it kinda makes the L-10 look like a better deal than it did a few hours ago.
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linuxworks said:
come on, you must admit that the e3 is the 'l10 done right'.
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What it is, if some of the numbers I've seen are right, is show just how overpriced the L10 is going to be if the L10+kit lens is $1,200 USD and you can get an E3 for $1,700 USD (here in the US, at least). I'd get the superior E3..that's an absolute no-brainer for the 4/3rd's DSLR crowd. A way superior body that has image stabilization for any lens you'd buy for, comparitively, not that much more.
 
linuxworks said:
come on, you must admit that the e3 is the 'l10 done right'.
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well, I think they seem to be aiming for a different part of the market. One is obviously high end, the other more an entry level. Of course that is not an entry level price on the L10.
linuxworks said:
what is wrong, so far, seems to be the price. in that, the l10 and
e3 both are on par with each other (sigh).
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I though it was $13,000(L10) and $1,700(E-3) significant price difference in my book. Or did you mean that they were both probably above where the market would have liked them to be? Maybe $900 and $1,300 and they would both have looked pretty attractive.
linuxworks said:
but on paper, the e3 really seems quite good; for a 4/3 camera...
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Cannot disagree with you there. It does look like nice specs. For my taste a touch on the heavy side, but then if it feels right it does not matter.

Certainly one to look at.

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Gregm61 said:
how overpriced the L10 is going to be if the L10+kit lens is $1,200
USD and you can get an E3 for $1,700 USD (here in the US, at least).
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Perhaps a more appropriate price comparison would be $1700 body-only for the E3 and $850 body-only for the L10 (the current Japanese street price). Quite a difference if the numbers hold up when translated (if the E3 body-only price in Japan is in the same range as the US price).

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Quite a compelling camera, the Olympus E3. Finally a 4/3 DSLR with a good viewfinder.

The E3’s live-view, however, doesn’t seem to be as sophisticated as on the L10: there is no contrast detect AF. With a similar articulated LCD, I had assumed that the E3 would also have the L10’s more advanced implementation of live-view. You even still have to close the Olympus E3's optical viewfinder's shutter to prevent light from affecting the exposure.

I’m also a little disappointed at the weight of the E3. I was hoping for an advanced 4/3 camera that weighed around 600g. As it is, the E3 weighs almost 900g (with battery / CF card) and the new 12-60 lens weighs 575g. That’s a combined weight of almost 1.5kg! Quite a heavy travel camera, though with what will probably be quite a good lens.

With the lenses that Panasonic currently has available, I don’t see really compact 4/3 cameras from them either. Any future cameras can’t be too small or they wouldn’t be balanced when attached to the relatively large and heavy OIS lenses.

Still an L10 with its kit lens weighs under 1kg. But then you don't have the large, 100% viewfinder or the fast and wide zoom lens.
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viztyger said:
Quite a compelling camera, the Olympus E3. Finally a 4/3 DSLR with a
good viewfinder.

The E3’s live-view, however, doesn’t seem to be as sophisticated as
on the L10: there is no contrast detect AF. With a similar
articulated LCD, I had assumed that the E3 would also have the L10’s
more advanced implementation of live-view. You even still have to
close the Olympus E3's optical viewfinder's shutter to prevent light
from affecting the exposure.

I’m also a little disappointed at the weight of the E3. I was hoping
for an advanced 4/3 camera that weighed around 600g. As it is, the E3
weighs almost 900g (with battery / CF card) and the new 12-60 lens
weighs 575g. That’s a combined weight of almost 1.5kg! Quite a heavy
travel camera, though with what will probably be quite a good lens.

With the lenses that Panasonic currently has available, I don’t see
really compact 4/3 cameras from them either. Any future cameras can’t
be too small or they wouldn’t be balanced when attached to the
relatively large and heavy OIS lenses.

Still an L10 with its kit lens weighs under 1kg. But then you don't
have the large, 100% viewfinder or the fast and wide zoom lens.
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Björn

Yeah I was hoping for the perfect camera too...LOL....of course the perfect camera always has a target market of precisely 1 person..... for whom it is perfect, everybody else would like something different.

I would like to give the E3 live view a little more time till people have it in hand and can see. For me the wight is a little higher than I had hopes and the cost a similarly a little higher, but I must say for the city stuff I do the E3 with the 12-60 would be a very good package. Then again so would the L10 with the 14-150 ( a little less one way a lot more the other). Choices and compromises! Either way, I suspect they will both take great photos.

For me at this stage it is just specifications, I really want to go down to the store and hold then and take a photo and see how it feels when I walk with it. When I bought the FZ30 I must have been into the stores about 6 times.

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rafinmelb said:
Björn

Yeah I was hoping for the perfect camera too...LOL....of course the
perfect camera always has a target market of precisely 1 person.....
for whom it is perfect, everybody else would like something different.
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Rafael, I guess we'll just have to let go of our lofty ideals! Sigh...
rafinmelb said:
I would like to give the E3 live view a little more time till people
have it in hand and can see.
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Sure, there might be improvements yet to come, but Imaging Resource states that live-view on the E3 works just like on the E510.
rafinmelb said:
For me the weight is a little higher than
I had hopes and the cost a similarly a little higher, but I must say
for the city stuff I do the E3 with the 12-60 would be a very good
package.
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Yes, for local photography the E3 with a 12-60 would be superb. That said, I travel a lot and do a lot of photography while traveling. So for my personal needs, a lighter package would have been more desirable. Something that combines the compactness of the E410/E510 with the larger 100% viewfinder of the E3.

I don't know why somebody doesn't attempt to make a DSLR that is as compact as possible, but with the higher end features.
rafinmelb said:
Then again so would the L10 with the 14-150 ( a little less
one way a lot more the other). Choices and compromises! Either way, I
suspect they will both take great photos.
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Also a compelling proposition.
rafinmelb said:
For me at this stage it is just specifications, I really want to go
down to the store and hold then and take a photo and see how it feels
when I walk with it. When I bought the FZ30 I must have been into the
stores about 6 times.
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That sure is a lot of fun. We shall see...

Björn

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John_Reed said:
Does that mean that the E3 can improve over non-OIS cameras by 5
f-stops? If so, that makes it an INTERESTING camera. Is that what you
mean by EVIL?
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EVIL = electro viewfinder and interchangeable lenses.

the only thing its really missing is the EVF but it sort of DOES have that with live view on the lcd. and it doesn't lose the 'nice' ovf in the process.

EVIL didn't really imply a swing lcd but it 'fits' the notion of evil very well, though.

again, price is the only stopper for me on this cam. just like the L1. it was obscenely priced at start and a year later it was within reach. I hope I don't have to wait as long for the e3 to come down to normal human prices..

but I really do like this cam, on paper, at least.

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Take a look at the news discussion forum. Not having the same frame rate as this or megapixels as that appears to be a world ending event.

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Hi Björn,

I've got the E-400, I love the size and weight, and have added a KatzEye focusing screen which makes the viewfinder image much brighter... especially with fast legacy glass, like the Hexanon 57mm f1.2 (ideal for portraits) or Hexanon 40mm f1.8 pancake lens (ideal for walking about) or Hexanon 24mm f2.8 (better for environmental / landscapes).

The twin kit lenses are also very good quality and light + compact (though both are a bit slow for my taste)

For the best image quality and flexibility, I've bought an Olympus 14-54mm f2.8-f3.5 which is a bit heavier, but worthwhile on the E-400.

I'm sure this camera would be great for you (or the E-510, which has in-camera IS)

Kind Regards

Brian
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