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I think the D3 seems to have reached such and unprecedented level that I see no real need to perfect a camera much more.. I mean.. stunning ISO 6400 (how often did anyone use 6400 with film?); probably the best AF system around for some good times to come; the best flash system in the world; fantastic pro lenses; a camera built like it has to survive a nuclear blast; almost perfect ergonomics.. am I forgetting something?.. yes.. I keep forgetting I don't have the money to buy this baby! ARGHHHH
 
Nothing new under the sun: in 3 years, the price of the D3 will come down to an affordable level and you might not be interested any more, bc. the new Nikon flag ship will be so much better (same D3 IQ, but with much more resolution, perhaps).

I bought a D2x two months ago for 2.500 EUR and it´s a great piece of camera which will serve me in the years to come.
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
 
Regarding ISO 6400

I am afraid many on these forums are twenty somethings.

I remember when shooting "ASA" 400 was shooting "High Speed" film. Grain was part of the photographic experience and pushing to 800 and 1600 was a very big deal done in black and white with "Push" developers.

Todays "Gearheads" take forgranted todays high ISO performance. Even Nikons noisey old cameras with a little "Neat Image" produce results that would be thought of as unreachable 10 years ago.

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Even with ISO1600 and with a f1.4 lens there are still situations where there is not enough light.

Maybe in 10 years we have a ISO whatever camera that allows fast shutter speeds (to eliminate motion blur caused by the subject) with a medium aperture (to have a good depth of field) and with a huge dynamic range (to capture everything from the spotlight lit side of a face to the shadows) and all that with low noise... THEN I have the camera I want.

Storage won't be an issue, probably will have Terabyte flash cards

Shoot concerts and you'll know what I am talking about. Used film for years and indeed, pushed 800 C-41 to 1600 and 400 ISO B/W to 1600. Struggled with underexposed 1600 ISO D70 shots and Neat Image too.

I'm not a hi-ISO fetishist, I can make a good case for that I need it. The noise issue seems addressed with ISO 6400 this good, now let's see the dynamic range of film in the digital domain.

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Yes that seems to have been a great purchase but I think I will always be doubtful about buying a 2nd hand digital camera, simply because with film you shoot 100 photos and with digital you shoot 1000. The lifetime of a digital camera simply won't be half of a film's in 95% of the cases..

I have a D200 and I love it. If I do things right I will always get great pictures at ISO 800 and maybe even at ISO1600 but I rarely shoot beyond ISO400.

That said, the D3 is a camera that really catches my eye. It's perfect to my standards and it's a pity it's so expensive.

I still shoot film with my F100/F5 90% of the time and I still think film is the better medium for my kind of work and.. if I remember correctly.. one could buy an F5 - the best 35mm camera on the planet - for less than half the D3 price.. hell, you can still buy the new queen F6 for the same price!

It's true that digital cameras incorporate much more technology and the prices are continuously dropping, but it's a bit like computers.. if you want state of the art at a given time you will always spend a lot of money.
 
O5iris said:
Yes that seems to have been a great purchase but I think I will
always be doubtful about buying a 2nd hand digital camera, simply
because with film you shoot 100 photos and with digital you shoot
1000. The lifetime of a digital camera simply won't be half of a
film's in 95% of the cases..
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That´s true, but the D2X was a virtually unused backup cam with 400 actuations.

I picked it up and had a NPS certificate from cleaning the sensor and checking the cam.
O5iris said:
I have a D200 and I love it. If I do things right I will always get
great pictures at ISO 800 and maybe even at ISO1600 but I rarely
shoot beyond ISO400.
That said, the D3 is a camera that really catches my eye. It's
perfect to my standards and it's a pity it's so expensive.
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I have a D3 on order and I´m sure it will we a quantum leap in camera technology, but I know technology will progress and other cams will come ...

10 mpix is yesterday´s 6 mpix. I can´t wait for 20 Mpix in a D80-like body. That would make me happy. dream
O5iris said:
I still shoot film with my F100/F5 90% of the time and I still think
film is the better medium for my kind of work and.. if I remember
correctly.. one could buy an F5 - the best 35mm camera on the planet
  • for less than half the D3 price.. hell, you can still buy the new
queen F6 for the same price!
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I was always fascinated with leica m rangefinders. Still check the prices on Ebay, but ever since I started to shoot digital, I have not looked back. As a matter of fact, I did and retook the pictures digitally, because - yes - I couldn´t wait ...
O5iris said:
It's true that digital cameras incorporate much more technology and
the prices are continuously dropping, but it's a bit like computers..
if you want state of the art at a given time you will always spend a
lot of money.
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I like to think of a modern dslr as an image computer. Ever since photography went digital, the market started having the same problems as computer companies. Photo shops started disappearing (anyway, that is out here)

Still, I think, this is the best time to be a photographer.

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Pam
 
It was extremely dark in this area ... I could only get 1/6" with VR to steady the cam.

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Hmm actualy I find myself in this kind of situatiion more often than not but I have had my D200 for only about 4 months and almost all my 'difficult' shots until now are on film and I surely like their grainy look, but to use ISO3200 in the D200 is unthinkable.. it looks horrible.
I have to upgrade to faster glass from 35mm up.
 
Yes.. it definitely is a great time!

Digital opens lots of doors to creativity and for the people who love film like I do, there are tons of nice 2nd hand equipment for a bargain on ebay for example.
 
Jeff Morris said:
I remember when shooting "ASA" 400 was shooting "High Speed" film.
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I know what you mean. I can remember when a Kodak
rep came by the newspaper I was working at to try to sell
us TMAX-3200. I shot a roll at a poorly-lit high school football
game and it totally blew my mind. I'm getting that same
head-rush buzz from the D3 images I have seen online.
I'm cynical that 6400 could look as good as it does but I
am also hopeful. I didn't believe Kodak when then showed
me TMAX samples either.

Matt
 
bloomoose said:
That´s true, but the D2X was a virtually unused backup cam with 400
actuations.
I picked it up and had a NPS certificate from cleaning the sensor and
checking the cam.
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What a great deal then!
bloomoose said:
I have a D3 on order and I´m sure it will we a quantum leap in camera
technology, but I know technology will progress and other cams will
come ...
10 mpix is yesterday´s 6 mpix. I can´t wait for 20 Mpix in a D80-like
body. That would make me happy. dream
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Well.. for that have real practical advantages I think that the glass has to be improved. Today's lenses are already on the limit, even with 12-14 MP.

I think it makes more sense to jump to medium format with those kind of resolutions.
bloomoose said:
I was always fascinated with leica m rangefinders. Still check the
prices on Ebay, but ever since I started to shoot digital, I have not
looked back. As a matter of fact, I did and retook the pictures
digitally, because - yes - I couldn´t wait ...
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I'm still looking for a nice F6 out there.. but it's still early I think... ;D
 
But it would only be true if there is no new camera coming out. Once a new, improved camera is out the D3 will not become a bad camera but the better alternatve makes it second class.

One thing that is unique though. With all previous cameras (regardless of the manufacturer) I always felt they were a compromise in some form due to the lack of technolgy available. The D3 is the first camera that everything I was always wanting in one single camera.

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Octane said:
One thing that is unique though. With all previous cameras
(regardless of the manufacturer) I always felt they were a compromise
in some form due to the lack of technolgy available. The D3 is the
first camera that everything I was always wanting in one single
camera.
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That's exactly what I feel about the D3!

It has reached a level that makes me think 'now, this is THE camera'! But of course I can imagine a future camera with better dynamic range or whatever but.. will that be important to me? I guess not. I am not an action photographer and I can patiently bracket so I can make the perfect image later in my computer. This is only an example, of course..
 
Yes there will for sure be improvement, but with every dSLR camera I owned before, I knew it would be a temporary solution. D70. D200, D50, D2H, Olympus E330, Canon 5D, they all had their advantages at their time for me, but I knew I'd replace them sooner than later.

With the D3 I think I will be happy for at least the next three years, probably longer. I don't need more megapixel, I don't need faster performance, it's features already offer more than I need. Better dynamic range sure would be nice, but making the light work for the shot is a necessary part of my work anyway.

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-------David-------
http://flickr.com/photos/childish/
 
no one will ever need more than 640KB of RAM in a computer, and now his Vista REQUIRES 1GB of RAM, lol.

Maybe dSLRs of 10 years from now will be like desktop computers - you can upgrade them yourself. Buy and install a new sensor and cpu, more ram (buffer), higher resolution LCD screen. :)
 
"As a photographic tool it's as close to perfection as I could imagine, there's really very little else you could want from a camera."

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2x/page28.asp

Technology will move on again
O5iris said:
I think the D3 seems to have reached such and unprecedented level
that I see no real need to perfect a camera much more.. I mean..
stunning ISO 6400 (how often did anyone use 6400 with film?);
probably the best AF system around for some good times to come; the
best flash system in the world; fantastic pro lenses; a camera built
like it has to survive a nuclear blast; almost perfect ergonomics..
am I forgetting something?.. yes.. I keep forgetting I don't have the
money to buy this baby! ARGHHHH
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Matthew Lin

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Yeah... interesting point there.. I'm not really sure if I'd like that..
 
Hmmm maybe a FM2? it's entirely mechanical.. ehehe
 
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