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Should be interesting when the new Fuji S2 comes out.
Now that should be a interesting battle.

Im staying open minded.

Neadless to say it will be a battle of bodies,not lenses.

Get your credit cards out folks and vote for the winner(in a few months time).
 
Should be interesting when the new Fuji S2 comes out.
Now that should be a interesting battle.

Im staying open minded.

Neadless to say it will be a battle of bodies,not lenses.

Get your credit cards out folks and vote for the winner(in a few
months time).
Maybe.

I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.

Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the most mudane problems.

Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg camera interperolated to 6 mgs.

Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.-- http://www.pbase.com/louverruto/root
 
I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.
The new S2 is based on the N/F80 body much as the D100. It has the same autofocus module as the D100 and N/F80. This will be huge improvement over the S1, which was based on the N60.
Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and
Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the
most mudane problems.
Fuji may have learned a big lesson there and I suspect their next generation DSLR will be better supported. Under warranty a repalacement can be made by anyone with a rubberstamp and a FedEx number at Fuji. Don't forget Nikon corporate lives in the Fuji complex in Japan.
Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg
camera interperolated to 6 mgs.
The Super CCD technology that Fuji uses is unique and it does make for sharp images. Most reviewers agreed that the interpolation was exaggerated but it was still better than all other 3.3MP cameras. IMO Fuji's Super CCD in this next generation looks better than what Nikon does with the D1x, which only interpolates along one axis. A side effect has been jaggies along diagonal lines with D1x images.
Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I
wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.
The jury is till out on the S2. It is a "major stride" forward from the S1. Wait till the reviews of the D100 vs. D60 vs. SD9 vs. S2 are complete. Then get your hands on the one that looks best to you and try it out.

Jason
 
Yes, but N60 did not have autofocus problems, to the same degree, that the S1 had. Also Nikon would service the N60. The question remains, who will service the S2?
I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.
The new S2 is based on the N/F80 body much as the D100. It has the
same autofocus module as the D100 and N/F80. This will be huge
improvement over the S1, which was based on the N60.
Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and
Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the
most mudane problems.
Fuji may have learned a big lesson there and I suspect their next
generation DSLR will be better supported. Under warranty a
repalacement can be made by anyone with a rubberstamp and a FedEx
number at Fuji. Don't forget Nikon corporate lives in the Fuji
complex in Japan.
Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg
camera interperolated to 6 mgs.
The Super CCD technology that Fuji uses is unique and it does make
for sharp images. Most reviewers agreed that the interpolation was
exaggerated but it was still better than all other 3.3MP cameras.
IMO Fuji's Super CCD in this next generation looks better than what
Nikon does with the D1x, which only interpolates along one axis. A
side effect has been jaggies along diagonal lines with D1x images.
Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I
wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.
The jury is till out on the S2. It is a "major stride" forward
from the S1. Wait till the reviews of the D100 vs. D60 vs. SD9 vs.
S2 are complete. Then get your hands on the one that looks best to
you and try it out.

Jason
-- http://www.pbase.com/louverruto/root
 
One also has to consider that the S2 will actually output 12-megapixel (!) interpolated files. The review say that the 3.3 true megapixels in the S1 had more resolving power than the competitive (ie D30) 3-megapixel cameras, so it follows that the 6/12 megapixel S2 could trump the D60 and D100 in terms of resolution. There are other considerations , of course (noise, color, batteries,) but I wouldn't be surprised if the S2 comes out as a major competitor to N and C. We'll just have to see.

-Chrix
I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.
The new S2 is based on the N/F80 body much as the D100. It has the
same autofocus module as the D100 and N/F80. This will be huge
improvement over the S1, which was based on the N60.
Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and
Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the
most mudane problems.
Fuji may have learned a big lesson there and I suspect their next
generation DSLR will be better supported. Under warranty a
repalacement can be made by anyone with a rubberstamp and a FedEx
number at Fuji. Don't forget Nikon corporate lives in the Fuji
complex in Japan.
Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg
camera interperolated to 6 mgs.
The Super CCD technology that Fuji uses is unique and it does make
for sharp images. Most reviewers agreed that the interpolation was
exaggerated but it was still better than all other 3.3MP cameras.
IMO Fuji's Super CCD in this next generation looks better than what
Nikon does with the D1x, which only interpolates along one axis. A
side effect has been jaggies along diagonal lines with D1x images.
Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I
wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.
The jury is till out on the S2. It is a "major stride" forward
from the S1. Wait till the reviews of the D100 vs. D60 vs. SD9 vs.
S2 are complete. Then get your hands on the one that looks best to
you and try it out.

Jason
--
http://www.pbase.com/louverruto/root
 
-Chrix
I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.
The new S2 is based on the N/F80 body much as the D100. It has the
same autofocus module as the D100 and N/F80. This will be huge
improvement over the S1, which was based on the N60.
Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and
Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the
most mudane problems.
Fuji may have learned a big lesson there and I suspect their next
generation DSLR will be better supported. Under warranty a
repalacement can be made by anyone with a rubberstamp and a FedEx
number at Fuji. Don't forget Nikon corporate lives in the Fuji
complex in Japan.
Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg
camera interperolated to 6 mgs.
The Super CCD technology that Fuji uses is unique and it does make
for sharp images. Most reviewers agreed that the interpolation was
exaggerated but it was still better than all other 3.3MP cameras.
IMO Fuji's Super CCD in this next generation looks better than what
Nikon does with the D1x, which only interpolates along one axis. A
side effect has been jaggies along diagonal lines with D1x images.
Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I
wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.
The jury is till out on the S2. It is a "major stride" forward
from the S1. Wait till the reviews of the D100 vs. D60 vs. SD9 vs.
S2 are complete. Then get your hands on the one that looks best to
you and try it out.

Jason
--
http://www.pbase.com/louverruto/root
+++++++++++++++++

To me the Fuji SLR.s are realy Nikon cameras.

I suspect that Nikon make the whole S2 camera and then Fuji sell it with a new ccd at a profit,and good luck to them.

So its realy Nikon v Nikon with one of the cameras producing 12 million pix.
 
I don't think so. Nikon generally stays away from building Frankencameras these days (Hybrids). If they designed it, it would look more like the D100 with an integrated battery and camera system. The fuji is clearly still two seperate systems.

I think Fuji just licenses the body from Nikon, and probably gets most of the internals from Nikon (like the AF system) but I think Fuji builds (puts together) this one themselves.

I think this is why you will see some differences between the operation of the D100 and the S2. While I suspect that the S2 uses the F(N)80 body entirely. Nikon has stated that the D100 is an entirely new design that uses some of the internals from both the F(N)80 and F(N)100. Although most of their system will also come from the F(N)80.

In the end we will have to wait for the reviews and the images to judge these two cameras.

Louis
-Chrix
I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.
The new S2 is based on the N/F80 body much as the D100. It has the
same autofocus module as the D100 and N/F80. This will be huge
improvement over the S1, which was based on the N60.
Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and
Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the
most mudane problems.
Fuji may have learned a big lesson there and I suspect their next
generation DSLR will be better supported. Under warranty a
repalacement can be made by anyone with a rubberstamp and a FedEx
number at Fuji. Don't forget Nikon corporate lives in the Fuji
complex in Japan.
Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg
camera interperolated to 6 mgs.
The Super CCD technology that Fuji uses is unique and it does make
for sharp images. Most reviewers agreed that the interpolation was
exaggerated but it was still better than all other 3.3MP cameras.
IMO Fuji's Super CCD in this next generation looks better than what
Nikon does with the D1x, which only interpolates along one axis. A
side effect has been jaggies along diagonal lines with D1x images.
Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I
wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.
The jury is till out on the S2. It is a "major stride" forward
from the S1. Wait till the reviews of the D100 vs. D60 vs. SD9 vs.
S2 are complete. Then get your hands on the one that looks best to
you and try it out.

Jason
--
http://www.pbase.com/louverruto/root
+++++++++++++++++

To me the Fuji SLR.s are realy Nikon cameras.
I suspect that Nikon make the whole S2 camera and then Fuji sell
it with a new ccd at a profit,and good luck to them.

So its realy Nikon v Nikon with one of the cameras producing 12
million pix.
 
I think Fuji just licenses the body from Nikon, and probably gets
most of the internals from Nikon (like the AF system) but I think
Fuji builds (puts together) this one themselves.

I think this is why you will see some differences between the
operation of the D100 and the S2. While I suspect that the S2 uses
the F(N)80 body entirely. Nikon has stated that the D100 is an
entirely new design that uses some of the internals from both the
F(N)80 and F(N)100. Although most of their system will also come
from the F(N)80.

In the end we will have to wait for the reviews and the images to
judge these two cameras.

Louis
-Chrix
I owned an S1 and it had serious problems.

First was autofocus. It didn't.
The new S2 is based on the N/F80 body much as the D100. It has the
same autofocus module as the D100 and N/F80. This will be huge
improvement over the S1, which was based on the N60.
Second, who was responsible for repair? Nikon wouldn't touch it and
Fuji teks didn't have the knowledge to fix anything, other than the
most mudane problems.
Fuji may have learned a big lesson there and I suspect their next
generation DSLR will be better supported. Under warranty a
repalacement can be made by anyone with a rubberstamp and a FedEx
number at Fuji. Don't forget Nikon corporate lives in the Fuji
complex in Japan.
Third, it was billed as a 6meg camera when, in fact it was a 3.3 mg
camera interperolated to 6 mgs.
The Super CCD technology that Fuji uses is unique and it does make
for sharp images. Most reviewers agreed that the interpolation was
exaggerated but it was still better than all other 3.3MP cameras.
IMO Fuji's Super CCD in this next generation looks better than what
Nikon does with the D1x, which only interpolates along one axis. A
side effect has been jaggies along diagonal lines with D1x images.
Unless Fuji has made some major strides forward with the S2, I
wouldn't think once about buying it. But that's just my experience.
The jury is till out on the S2. It is a "major stride" forward
from the S1. Wait till the reviews of the D100 vs. D60 vs. SD9 vs.
S2 are complete. Then get your hands on the one that looks best to
you and try it out.

Jason
--
http://www.pbase.com/louverruto/root
+++++++++++++++++

To me the Fuji SLR.s are realy Nikon cameras.
I suspect that Nikon make the whole S2 camera and then Fuji sell
it with a new ccd at a profit,and good luck to them.

So its realy Nikon v Nikon with one of the cameras producing 12
million pix.

-------------------------------
Who realy knows the REAL truth.

I just see two Nikon cameras (one withe the word Fuji on it) and a different ccd,its been done millions of time before with lots of different products.
 
Should be interesting when the new Fuji S2 comes out.
Now that should be a interesting battle.

Im staying open minded.
So do I, but I do not expect too much from the S2...

The D100 semms to me having a much better allover concept.

I examined Phils shots of S1 and nearly each showed this terrific hair moiree. I never saw any drastic moiree from any other (consumer or pro) camera that way... Some shots were in my eyes not usable because of this, no way to remove it in PS in a way that could satisfy me... I was near to buy a S1, but this was my strongest reason not to do it...

I personally don't expect the third generation super CCD being principially much better until I have seen it... ok, more pixels mean the artifacts are less visible in same print size... but artifacts remain artifacts and it is a decision to carfully being made wether to accept them or not...

Best regards, A. Schiele.
 
Should be interesting when the new Fuji S2 comes out.
Now that should be a interesting battle.

Im staying open minded.
So do I, but I do not expect too much from the S2...

The D100 semms to me having a much better allover concept.

I examined Phils shots of S1 and nearly each showed this terrific
hair moiree. I never saw any drastic moiree from any other
(consumer or pro) camera that way... Some shots were in my eyes not
usable because of this, no way to remove it in PS in a way that
could satisfy me... I was near to buy a S1, but this was my
strongest reason not to do it...

I personally don't expect the third generation super CCD being
principially much better until I have seen it... ok, more pixels
mean the artifacts are less visible in same print size... but
artifacts remain artifacts and it is a decision to carfully being
made wether to accept them or not...

Best regards, A. Schiele.
I use all sorts of different camers in my job as a photographer.
The Nikon/Fuji s2 is well worth looking at
6 mil' optical & 12 mil int'.

As for moiree effects,that depends whether or not a photographer gets his exposure right.
But to me Fuji SLRs are Nikon cameras,using Nikon flash,Nikon lenses,etc etc.

CCD, well all camera makers change them (CCDs) from camera model to camera model.

But as things stand at the, I dont think that Canon is quite in the running at the moment,except for their fantastic lens range,especially in the image stab' department.great value for money.

Regards to all
 
I use all sorts of different camers in my job as a photographer.
I wont doubt this... and I always like to learn from pro's.

But as an amateur I can afford the luxury not to buy anything that might be necessary to earn money...
The Nikon/Fuji s2 is well worth looking at
6 mil' optical & 12 mil int'.
As far as I know 12MP is interpolated and a waste of CF space only... another little "lie" fuji does. Normally interpolated 12MP from a 6MP makes no sense from quality standpoint (mabe from practial, but I doubt that also). Even 6MP from a bayer pattern 6MP sensor is a bit doubtful for my taste but ok...
As for moiree effects,that depends whether or not a photographer
gets his exposure right.
Can you please explain what you mean by this? I never heard of it...

Moiree, especially colour moiree as seen with the G1 is a matter of bayer (or any other mosaic type) colour pattern interpolation... It has also to do with the nyquist criterium when digitizing any alnalogue signals, in our photography case it is a 2-dimensional matter.

In general even foveons sensor technology can suffer a bit from lumina moiree but I expect very low to non cromatic moirees which is a great benefit... Unfortunately I argue that it will take more than some time until this technology will be available for ua all...
But to me Fuji SLRs are Nikon cameras,using Nikon flash,Nikon
lenses,etc etc.
No doubt, this is the case...
CCD, well all camera makers change them (CCDs) from camera model to
camera model.
Also true, I only reflected my personal opinion and I added that I may change this when I see new samples...
But as things stand at the, I dont think that Canon is quite in
the running at the moment,except for their fantastic lens
range,especially in the image stab' department.great value for
money.
This is a personal decision to everyone... From what I heard of AF performance a Canon D60 would not be of any value for me because I have different expectations on a D-SLR...

Best regards, A. Schiele.
 
I use all sorts of different camers in my job as a photographer.
I wont doubt this... and I always like to learn from pro's.

But as an amateur I can afford the luxury not to buy anything that
might be necessary to earn money...
The Nikon/Fuji s2 is well worth looking at
6 mil' optical & 12 mil int'.
As far as I know 12MP is interpolated and a waste of CF space
only... another little "lie" fuji does. Normally interpolated 12MP
from a 6MP makes no sense from quality standpoint (mabe from
practial, but I doubt that also). Even 6MP from a bayer pattern 6MP
sensor is a bit doubtful for my taste but ok...
As for moiree effects,that depends whether or not a photographer
gets his exposure right.
Can you please explain what you mean by this? I never heard of it...

Moiree, especially colour moiree as seen with the G1 is a matter of
bayer (or any other mosaic type) colour pattern interpolation... It
has also to do with the nyquist criterium when digitizing any
alnalogue signals, in our photography case it is a 2-dimensional
matter.

In general even foveons sensor technology can suffer a bit from
lumina moiree but I expect very low to non cromatic moirees which
is a great benefit... Unfortunately I argue that it will take more
than some time until this technology will be available for ua all...
But to me Fuji SLRs are Nikon cameras,using Nikon flash,Nikon
lenses,etc etc.
No doubt, this is the case...
CCD, well all camera makers change them (CCDs) from camera model to
camera model.
Also true, I only reflected my personal opinion and I added that I
may change this when I see new samples...
But as things stand at the, I dont think that Canon is quite in
the running at the moment,except for their fantastic lens
range,especially in the image stab' department.great value for
money.
This is a personal decision to everyone... From what I heard of AF
performance a Canon D60 would not be of any value for me because I
have different expectations on a D-SLR...

Best regards, A. Schiele.
+++++++++
Thanks for your reply.

I work a lot for the national newspaper in London.

If i get the exposures wrong lets say by one stop under,and I have to boost the image,then things are still not to bad,but if it starts to drift to 2 stops under,then all hell breaks loose with my image.

IF (big if) I get my exposure 100% right,then i find the resulting image with no VISABLE problems at all.
As for the interpolation from 3 mil to 6 mil long live in-camera interpolation.
Ive used both,as a test,and on a pull up the 6 mil has saved my bacon.

Im a hands on photographer,and no matter what anybody says the 6 mil on the Fuji s1 is ok but im sure that the optical 6 mil is better,and 12 mil will save my bacon even more.
To me both cameras (Fuji & Nikon) are Nikon.

I dont want to spend a lot of money on a digital camera built like a tank,as I will have to change it every 18 months.Its tax deductable,and a tool to a job.

regards

ps If i could work out how to put images to all this,I would do so.
 
Thanks for your reply.
Not at all... It is exciting for me to exchange any knowledge and optinions with Pro's... I know very well that pro's have much more practical experience in their field of work.
I work a lot for the national newspaper in London.
Interesting. As far as I understand print densitiy for newspapers is not as high as for photorealistic prints (which I refer to 300dpi pro standard). This explains some of your statements to me.
If i get the exposures wrong lets say by one stop under,and I have
to boost the image,then things are still not to bad,but if it
starts to drift to 2 stops under,then all hell breaks loose with my
image.
Ok, no discussion that exposing as accurate as possible will produce the best possible results. But I think here all artifacts are pushed, not only moiree (if ever present)...
IF (big if) I get my exposure 100% right,then i find the resulting
image with no VISABLE problems at all.
Yes, I understand better now concerning to your needs for newspaper.

By the way, do you actually use a G1?
As for the interpolation from 3 mil to 6 mil long live in-camera
interpolation.
Ive used both,as a test,and on a pull up the 6 mil has saved my bacon.
Im a hands on photographer,and no matter what anybody says the 6
mil on the Fuji s1 is ok but im sure that the optical 6 mil is
better,and 12 mil will save my bacon even more.
Well I didn't want to say that interpolating 3MP to 6MP is useless but there is no doubt that despite it looks good, there is not much more image information contained in the 6MP shot than in the 3MP shot, just the file is bigger... It is the same as I print the same image with a lower densitiy bigger and the printer interpolates something to blow it up... it still looks ok but fine detail isn't more...
To me both cameras (Fuji & Nikon) are Nikon.
YES!
I dont want to spend a lot of money on a digital camera built like
a tank,as I will have to change it every 18 months.Its tax
deductable,and a tool to a job.
I understand your need here as well, it is the pro's look on it.

I have a personal "threshold level" when looking for a D-SLR. just because I can not afford to buy a new one every 18 month... and benefit from enhancements in shor periods. The G1 does not climb my personal hill, sorry... But the announced 6MP modells possibly could do this.

Unfortunately nor the S2pro neither the D100 are reviewed more in detail, and so far all is open here...
ps If i could work out how to put images to all this,I would do so.
Images form a G1? I spent a lot of time analyzing all the sources in the net I could find and I was not too impressed, sorry. But that does not mean that it might not be ok for your actual needs. I am shure in 3 Years you will think different.

Very best regards, A. Schiele.
 
Thanks for your reply.
Not at all... It is exciting for me to exchange any knowledge and
optinions with Pro's... I know very well that pro's have much more
practical experience in their field of work.
I work a lot for the national newspaper in London.
Interesting. As far as I understand print densitiy for newspapers
is not as high as for photorealistic prints (which I refer to
300dpi pro standard). This explains some of your statements to me.
If i get the exposures wrong lets say by one stop under,and I have
to boost the image,then things are still not to bad,but if it
starts to drift to 2 stops under,then all hell breaks loose with my
image.
Ok, no discussion that exposing as accurate as possible will
produce the best possible results. But I think here all artifacts
are pushed, not only moiree (if ever present)...
IF (big if) I get my exposure 100% right,then i find the resulting
image with no VISABLE problems at all.
Yes, I understand better now concerning to your needs for newspaper.

By the way, do you actually use a G1?
As for the interpolation from 3 mil to 6 mil long live in-camera
interpolation.
Ive used both,as a test,and on a pull up the 6 mil has saved my bacon.
Im a hands on photographer,and no matter what anybody says the 6
mil on the Fuji s1 is ok but im sure that the optical 6 mil is
better,and 12 mil will save my bacon even more.
Well I didn't want to say that interpolating 3MP to 6MP is useless
but there is no doubt that despite it looks good, there is not much
more image information contained in the 6MP shot than in the 3MP
shot, just the file is bigger... It is the same as I print the same
image with a lower densitiy bigger and the printer interpolates
something to blow it up... it still looks ok but fine detail isn't
more...
To me both cameras (Fuji & Nikon) are Nikon.
YES!
I dont want to spend a lot of money on a digital camera built like
a tank,as I will have to change it every 18 months.Its tax
deductable,and a tool to a job.
I understand your need here as well, it is the pro's look on it.

I have a personal "threshold level" when looking for a D-SLR. just
because I can not afford to buy a new one every 18 month... and
benefit from enhancements in shor periods. The G1 does not climb my
personal hill, sorry... But the announced 6MP modells possibly
could do this.

Unfortunately nor the S2pro neither the D100 are reviewed more in
detail, and so far all is open here...
ps If i could work out how to put images to all this,I would do so.
Images form a G1? I spent a lot of time analyzing all the sources
in the net I could find and I was not too impressed, sorry. But
that does not mean that it might not be ok for your actual needs. I
am shure in 3 Years you will think different.

Very best regards, A. Schiele.
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Whats a g1

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