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It would be nice to see canon introduce their new entry level dSLR with live view feature. Yes, their 40D has live view but it overkills my needs. I just want to catch some good moments of my 17 months old daughter while playing on the ground without bending my old back too much. that's why i like the live view feature.

Anybody heard anything yet? XTII or something coming soon?
i email canon usa but they said they don't know anything.
 
The alternative like Panasonic Lumix DMC L1 is in higher price range, maybe Olympus E330 is fair.

But for family photography Point and Shoot (compact camera) is the best choice and less hassle.

Some people find the P&S image quality is better than DSLR, it's because DSLR needs "photographer" considerations and tweakings.
 
The reason I'm upgrading from P&S - partly for family photos - is to overcome slow shutter lag and poor low light IQ. Once I've mastered how to get the best out of the 50mmf/1.8, I'm hoping my frustration of all those missed shots will be a thing of the past!
Cheers, Dorje
Korrupt said:
I would have to agree with Kunhadi on this one. I don't see any
reason for needing canon to do if if a regular point and shoot serves
the purpose just well.

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caddie said:
It would be nice to see canon introduce their new entry level dSLR
with live view feature. Yes, their 40D has live view but it overkills
my needs. I just want to catch some good moments of my 17 months old
daughter while playing on the ground without bending my old back too
much. that's why i like the live view feature.
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Too bad the 40D doesn't have tilt & swivel LCD.

It looks like live view is becoming a standard feature, so I'd expect it on the replacement for the 400D. If Canon sticks by the schedule it has followed since the introduction of the 10D, you should see a replacement in January, just in time for PMA.

http://www.pmai.org/index.cfm/ci_id/33573/la_id/1.htm
caddie said:
i email canon usa but they said they don't know anything.
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I'm sure somebody at Canon USA knows something, but they won't tell.

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caddie said:
It would be nice to see canon introduce their new entry level dSLR
with live view feature. Yes, their 40D has live view but it overkills
my needs. I just want to catch some good moments of my 17 months old
daughter while playing on the ground without bending my old back too
much. that's why i like the live view feature.
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It sounds like you want a tiltable LCD screen so that you don't have to get on the ground, otherwise you'd have to get fairly low to the ground to be able to see the LCD screen well.

Either way you'd be better off getting on the ground to get the pictures properly.
 
If you hated shutter lag on point & shoot before, then you'll hate live view just as much.

Live view doesn't work quite well for moving subjects, like kids. This is because autofocus needs to temporarily disable live view while focusing (for about a second), then give you back liveview when focus is obtained. By the time you see your subject again, and compose it properly, chances are your kid already moved out of the focus region.

Nikon's version of Live View can autofocus, but with the contrast based method instead. This is slower and not as accurate as the normal autofocus system.

I'm sure Live View has its uses, but not as much as what people were used to with the P&S.
 
I used LiveView on my 40D quite a bit recently on a trip to Yosemite, but wouldn't consider it for anything other than tripod work. For obtaining focus on long-range objects though... it is amazing.
dylanbarnhart said:
If you hated shutter lag on point & shoot before, then you'll hate
live view just as much.

Live view doesn't work quite well for moving subjects, like kids.
This is because autofocus needs to temporarily disable live view
while focusing (for about a second), then give you back liveview when
focus is obtained. By the time you see your subject again, and
compose it properly, chances are your kid already moved out of the
focus region.

Nikon's version of Live View can autofocus, but with the contrast
based method instead. This is slower and not as accurate as the
normal autofocus system.

I'm sure Live View has its uses, but not as much as what people were
used to with the P&S.
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come on... its not that bad...
after focus go directly to shoot, don't come back to live view...
just half press... and click
 
yes i've agree with korrupt and kunhadi. most people should do fine with P&S(it'll be much better if it's equiped with full manual control)

i'm dSLR noob. but can i tweak it well if i buy one?

well, i still keep the Canon AE1-P conventional SLR(manual focus only) that my dad bought me in the 80's. i took lots of good photos of my girlfriends. but i forced myself to discard them all before i got married :(

Then my father-in-law bought me Olympus C2000(2.1MP, 3x optical) in 1999.
then i bought olym C765(10x zoom) a few years later
now i'm using sony H2

All those cameras got full manual controls. i did several things between point and shoot(if my models are patient enough). i want a dSLR just as Dorje said, to overcome slow shutter lag and poor low light IQ. (if my old SLR could take continuous shots, then i' would keep using it)

Everybody has different needs for the cameras. i'm willing to accept the compliance to see what the best dSLR for me.

cheers!
 
Thanks for reminding that, dylanbarnhart.

If 40D is like that, then i might settle with XTi.

last time i played the Olym E510 at the store. the live view auto-focus pretty well.

why didn't i buy 510? we compared the sample photos and we think XTi has better IQ.
I'll go find a 40D and play it a little bit.

BTW, thank you all for the replies.
dylanbarnhart said:
If you hated shutter lag on point & shoot before, then you'll hate
live view just as much.

Live view doesn't work quite well for moving subjects, like kids.
This is because autofocus needs to temporarily disable live view
while focusing (for about a second), then give you back liveview when
focus is obtained. By the time you see your subject again, and
compose it properly, chances are your kid already moved out of the
focus region.

Nikon's version of Live View can autofocus, but with the contrast
based method instead. This is slower and not as accurate as the
normal autofocus system.

I'm sure Live View has its uses, but not as much as what people were
used to with the P&S.
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Do you really think Canon would wait until January to release the 450D (or whatever it's called)?

I would think a release right before Thanksgiving and at the start of the holiday shopping season would draw more attention to the Canon line and give sales a healthy boost (especially since the Rebel price range is their 'bread & butter.')

After all, if it's marketing & sales they're after, people historically have the least amount of disposable income in January after the holidays.
 
well since you're a DSLRs snob like me, then why not get either the 40D or XTI or the replacement XTI? If you're truly a DSLR snob you would full appreciate the 40D. 300D/XT/XTI/ to me felt too much like a toy and was not a joy to hold if you had to have it in your hands all day. Then again I originally came from using an my first film camera which was a EOS 630 body (which was mostly metal body), I decided to skip the original Rebel since it was too flimsy. Anyway, my first DSLR was a 10D in Sept 2003 and just moved on to 2x 40D bodies. If you want to shoot in low light get at least a 50mm F1.8 and if you can spend a bit more ge the 50mm F1.4 and also 80mm F1.8. I use both combinations when shooting in low light concert situations and cranking the ISO to 1600/3200. On the 10D I only used iso 800/1600 for those situations and applied NinjaNoise. Also now i can use my 24-70mm F2.8 indoors more often with the 40D. Original I was going to pick up a 1D mk III, but because of the AF issues it scared me away. Anyway, I shoot weddings and company events.
 
Note if you intend to shoot low light than you're better off getting the 40D because it's more accurate and faster than the XTI or 30D.
 
If you're truly a DSLR noob, you know all the cameras you listed that you've had including the Sony H2 are not really DSLRs. They are like-DSLR, but not really. If you can afford it. Go for a 40D.
 
I'll see if i have a chance to get a hold of the 40D later this week.
Enjoy your new 40D haykong.
haykong said:
Note if you intend to shoot low light than you're better off getting
the 40D because it's more accurate and faster than the XTI or 30D.
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John_TX said:
Do you really think Canon would wait until January to release the
450D (or whatever it's called)?
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Yes.
John_TX said:
I would think a release right before Thanksgiving and at the start of
the holiday shopping season would draw more attention to the Canon
line and give sales a healthy boost (especially since the Rebel price
range is their 'bread & butter.')
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Too late to get it into stores. You'll just frustrate buyers. Besides, it's happened before:

10D: feb '03
20D: aug '04
30D: feb '06
40D: aug '07

300D: aug '03
350D: feb '05
400D: aug '06
450D: ???

I'm guessing the 450D will be announced in mid-January, and not February, because PMA (big trade show) is a bit earlier than usual this year. Normally it's held somewhere between mid-February and early March. A lot of announcements happen in the weeks leading up to the show. This year PMA happens January 31 to February 2.

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If you want to enter DSLR world, buy a cheap DSLR with a kit lens (any brand in fact). If you can deal with a DSLR other than the automatical mode (Green Box mode) and it becomes insufficient, than move to a better body with a better lens.

40D for a beginner is overkill but kit lens is for sure going to tiger hunting with a knife for children photography (I have a 27 month daughter). My 350D + 85 f/1.8 (many many times better than any kit lens in any respects) is insufficient in AI SERVO mode and even it gives me more than 50% keepers for SINGLE SHOT mode, I struggle a lot. It is not easy. You have to master photography to take decent photos. It is a hobby (it has to be a hobby).
 
Cihangir Gzey said:
My 350D + 85 f/1.8 (many many times better than any
kit lens in any respects) is insufficient in AI SERVO mode
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AI Servo on the 350D is nothing to write home about. The lens isn't the problem.
Cihangir Gzey said:
it gives me more than 50% keepers for SINGLE SHOT mode
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I don't have anywhere near 50% keepers. Maybe I'm just picky. OOF isn't even the start of it. Wrong expression, wrong background, etc. I'm lucky if I pick 10%. Shoot lots.
Cihangir Gzey said:
You have to master photography to take decent photos.
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I'm not sure about master. You have to understand how to frame scenes, that's not master. A decent photography class or two is more valuable and probably less expensive than a camera or lens upgrade.

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caddie said:
yes i've agree with korrupt and kunhadi. most people should do fine
with P&S(it'll be much better if it's equiped with full manual
control)
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If a P&S had full manual control then surely it wouldn't be a P&S any more, or am I missing something?
 
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