Why are people buying crop sensors when they know that FF is the future?

altair8800 said:

The essay explains your misunderstanding, in detail.

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Saves me a lot of time explaining things.

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AmorousLight said:

AmorousLight said:

FF has only two advantages over crop: more shallow DOF and higher
IQ. That's it. > --

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AmorousLight said:

Friend, your post is the most rediculious response I have ever heard ;-)

Higher IQ is so, so, so overrated, yea?!?

PRIME DIRECTIVE: -----> Image Quality

Hello? ;-)

Image Quality IS the goal, for God' sake! ;-)

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Glad to know that you're not wasting your time with 35mm digital and shooting large format and a tripod. Kudos, sir, kudos!

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Todd Meucci said:

They're all over this website...

I'd also love to hear answers for this phenomenon.

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Ah hmm....ah, well, the obvious...Cameras are not just for "photographers". Are you suggesting that only the "elite" should have the ability to purchase cameras?

What is wrong with grandma taking pictures of her grandchildren with her Nikon D50 set on full auto, jpg, and kit lens?

Should DSLR politics be a class struggle? lol

And anyone that takes pictures, regardless of their quality, are by definition a "photographer". And being one does not necessarily suggest particularly high image quality standards.

You and I are in agreement on the definition of photographer...

the folks I was referring to are the ones who 'ONLY' come in here and argue the most inane minute technical differences and characteristics while never producing any images (other than rulers to show back/front focus). I call these folks Photologists. Last time I checked this wasn't Digital Photology Review; but to a newcomer they might draw that conclusion within their first 5 threads.

AmorousLight said:

Ah hmm....ah, well, the obvious...Cameras are not just for
"photographers". Are you suggesting that only the "elite" should
have the ability to purchase cameras?

What is wrong with grandma taking pictures of her grandchildren with
her Nikon D50 set on full auto, jpg, and kit lens?

Should DSLR politics be a class struggle? lol

And anyone that takes pictures, regardless of their quality, are by
definition a "photographer". And being one does not necessarily
suggest particularly high image quality standards.

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David McGaughey said:

20-24mm (full-frame equivalent) prime - doesn't exist for 1.6!

35mm (full-frame equivalent) compact prime - doesn't exist for 1.6!

(Whiny 20D user who is sick of using a Sigma 20mm f/1.8 monster as a
"35mm" prime equivalent)
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The 960mm 5.6 does not exist for FF. I use the 300mm 2.8 IS with 2x TC on the 20D. It is heavier than I like, but I use it handheld most of the time. A 960mm 5.6 would need wheels.

The 160-640mm 5.6 does not exist for FF. The 100-400mm IS gives me 160-640mm equivalent and is light (for a long tele). For FF, the 600mm 4.0 is not a walk-around lens at 11.8 lb. The Sigma 300-800mm 5.6 is a good lens at 13 lb (480-1280mm on a 20D) and I may get it.

The 1Ds III looks like the best solution. Same pixel density as 20D, so cropping to 20D size still gives good resolution. I have several photos where part of bird is off frame due to fast movement. With 1Ds III, I would have entire bird. Not as good res as 40D. 5D has 5 megapixels when cropped to 20D size.

Dan

AmorousLight said:

The Cropped Cameras are for those that can't or don't want to spend
$5,000+ on long tele lenses, or can't or don't want to spend more
then $2,500 on a DSLR body.

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I spent almost $4000 on my 300mm 2.8 IS and another $1400 on the 100-400 IS. The reason I did not get the 5D is that most of my wildlife pics are cropped as I can not get close enough to fill frame. Cropping a 5D frame to 20D size gives 5 megapixels. The 1Ds III cropped to that size gives 8 Mp, so it is under consideration. But even it does not have the res of the 40D when cropped.

AmorousLight said:

Price, and FPS issues aside, the best DSLR's for the best image
quality are full frame.

I think it's that simple.

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Price is a small consideraton for me, but FPS is important. Pixel density is the most important for me, assuming reasonable noise level.

Dan

...that counts at the end of the day!

Nice condescending message you got there.

Did it ever occur to you that people (and yes, that does include professionals) are perfectly happy with the results they are getting from their cropped cameras?

SB

In the form-factor of DSLR's a full frame gives the best image quality, as far as sensors go. Todays full frames are often better then medium format film, and are more mobile then a view camera or large format camera.

So for THAT form factor, full frame is the best, again as far as sensors go. Obviously if one has little budget for long lenses, and/or full frame bodies, or needs more then 3 FPS, a cropped body is often a great alternative.

In other words, full frame is the best of choice. Cropped is a compromise, but often one requires the compromised choice over the preferred for very valid reasons.

Thanks for the kudos! ;-)

Hi,

v5point0 said:

we know of
the benefits of FF as oppose to APS,

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My wife had a nice APS camera (with a lovely LCD post-shot review), but when she got her EOS Digital Rebel, she stopped using it, and in fact got away from film altogether.
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I do not see any lens (maybe 300 f/4.0 L with a TC that would allow me to take butterfly pictures with 5D. It is actually not the cost but the weight as well.
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