40D Review on CNET

CNET clearly gave the 40D a good review. But, I get the feeling their hearts are with the Nikons--particularly the D80, although they did mention the upcoming D300. It sounds like the kind of review a died in the wool Nikonian would give after being instructed to be completely objective. Know what I mean? ;-)

One area of concern, though, is where they say there is a lag in AF in low light that they expected Canon to do better with. Anyone else have a problem with slow focus in low light with the 40D? Perhaps this is somewhat lens-dependent as well?

-Tacksharp
 
is my point of view, people.

The Canon forums seem to need to fly the flag and dismiss any other option, even the possibility of some other cameras existing.

It's truly amazing to see this occur again and again.
 
Have you considered that possibility?
Oh, yeah. I'm not arguing with objective evidence. It's just the spin on that evidence seems to involve a predisposition to Nikon. Just a feeling, though. Read it and tell me what you think?

-Tacksharp
 
Do you own a 40d? Just answer the question.
is my point of view, people.

The Canon forums seem to need to fly the flag and dismiss any other
option, even the possibility of some other cameras existing.

It's truly amazing to see this occur again and again.
 
CNET clearly gave the 40D a good review. But, I get the feeling their
hearts are with the Nikons--particularly the D80, although they did
mention the upcoming D300. It sounds like the kind of review a died
in the wool Nikonian would give after being instructed to be
completely objective. Know what I mean? ;-)
My sentiments exactly. Almost like the positive comments were forced ...and disingenuous.
One area of concern, though, is where they say there is a lag in AF
in low light that they expected Canon to do better with.
It was even worse than that in my opinion. That was listed at the top of the review as "The bad: Large spot size for spot meter; relatively sluggish low-light focus."

Rieviewer said: "Not so easy to ignore is the increased spot size for the spot meter, up to 3.8 percent of the viewfinder from the 30D's 3.5 percent. (Here's why that's bad.)"

...and links to this page: http://reviews.cnet.com/4326-6501_7-6589479.html?tag=txt

This is where they try to 'prove' their point about the 'large' spot meter size with an 'example' photo using a picture that no self-respecting serious amateur would waste their time with! ....let alone a pro! ...certainly NOT a serious birder!

Here's the photo:



I have to question the experience and expertise of any photographer/reviewer that would take that photo thinking that anyone but 'grand-mom' would say it's a great shot! The composition is sheer amateuristic! Even slightly zooming in on the birds in the bird-bath, to change the composition, would allow the 3.8% spot meter to do it's job and to easily expose the shot correctly! ...or perhaps spot metering on another area of the viewable subject matter. This one point alone proves to me that they were bending over backwards to find fault with the 40D!
Anyone else have a problem with slow focus in low light with the 40D? Perhaps
this is somewhat lens-dependent as well?
...or reviewer-dependent .... or reviewer-biased!?

...and not only have I not had any problem with AF in low light. I have experienced the exact opposite! Low light AF acquisition is extremely good ...much faster and better than the 30D! All credibility goes out the window with this absurd analysis by the 'reviewer'!
-Tacksharp
Other reasons to disregard the reviewers criticisms:
These listed comments to name a few:

1. "As for performance, the 40D is reasonably speedy for its class, and roughly 20 percent faster overall than the 30D. But it still can't keep up with the faster, albeit lower-resolution, D80."
....IN HIS/HER DREAMS!

2. "However, the camera does hit one sour performance note: leisurely low-contrast focusing, which ratchets up low-light lag to 1.2 seconds."

Excuse me but maybe the 'reviewer' left out a critical element to his/her analysis ...such as the particular lens ...or lenses they used for this 'analysis'!

Also, maybe I missed it but did the reviewer even mention the fact that ALL 9 AF POINTS have cross type sensors ....or....that the center AF point has an enhanced AF ability with lenses that are ƒ2.8 or faster? Did they even bother to try the AF with such a Canon lens? We really don't know now do we...since they conveniently 'forgot' to mention what lens/lenses they used for their opinion!

3. "For more meat-and-potatoes changes, the 40D now supports Auto ISO in all modes beyond full Auto, which comes in handy every now and then."

Auto ISO is "meat and potatoes"? Not on 'my plate'! CLEARLY THIS MORON IS A VEGAN! ...and I bet he/she regularly shoots in the 'green box' metering zone.

4. "Despite its many attractions, the Canon EOS 40D doesn't clearly outshine the Nikon D80, which costs a lot less."

Me thinks the reviewer is using 'rose colored glasses' when looking at the D80!
 
Have you considered that possibility?
Oh, yeah. I'm not arguing with objective evidence. It's just the spin
on that evidence seems to involve a predisposition to Nikon. Just a
feeling, though. Read it and tell me what you think?

-Tacksharp
I don't think you needed to ask 'subdoodle' to tell us what he thinks! Unfortunately for us!
 
is my point of view, people.

The Canon forums seem to need to fly the flag and dismiss any other
option, even the possibility of some other cameras existing.

It's truly amazing to see this occur again and again.
I'll answer that one for you. It's easy! No he doesn't own a 40D!

The only thing he 'owns' is an overly bloviated opinion!
 
but all he owns is a D70. All his high ISO and sharpness comparisons are between his D70 and ..... other shots with his D70. That';s why he can't tell the difference. He has a pBase site (that is how we know what he has) so he could post samples if he had anything to post. He will ignore anything that would require him to show what he has.
 
So that explains how he comes to the conclusion that the review is correct...

what a tool...
but all he owns is a D70. All his high ISO and sharpness comparisons
are between his D70 and ..... other shots with his D70. That';s why
he can't tell the difference. He has a pBase site (that is how we
know what he has) so he could post samples if he had anything to
post. He will ignore anything that would require him to show what he
has.
 
The 40D should compared with the D200, where it does very nicely.
 
CNET clearly gave the 40D a good review. But, I get the feeling their
hearts are with the Nikons--particularly the D80, although they did
mention the upcoming D300. It sounds like the kind of review a died
in the wool Nikonian would give after being instructed to be
completely objective. Know what I mean? ;-)
My sentiments exactly. Almost like the positive comments were forced
...and disingenuous.
One area of concern, though, is where they say there is a lag in AF
in low light that they expected Canon to do better with.
It was even worse than that in my opinion. That was listed at the top
of the review as "The bad: Large spot size for spot meter;
relatively sluggish low-light focus."

Rieviewer said: "Not so easy to ignore is the increased spot size for
the spot meter, up to 3.8 percent of the viewfinder from the 30D's
3.5 percent. (Here's why that's bad.)"
...and links to this page:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4326-6501_7-6589479.html?tag=txt

This is where they try to 'prove' their point about the 'large' spot
meter size with an 'example' photo using a picture that no
self-respecting serious amateur would waste their time with! ....let
alone a pro! ...certainly NOT a serious birder!
I am not sure I agree with the reviewer either on this point, but trashing the photography in the way that you have makes it very difficult to see your point of view.

I would suggest that the photo posted was the handiest example of a problem that is probably difficult to show.

His point is a reasonable, objective criticism, for those photographer's who want that spot meter as small as possible.

The point of the sample photos is not to produce great art, and given people's impatience with the speed with which reviews come in, it should come as no surprise that many of the photos are not national geographic material. Imagine how long we would be waiting for the review then?
 
Since when has anyone considered Cnet a valid review for serious photographers? For the kind of person that would use a cnet review to buy a camera the D80 might be a better choice. I am a little confused about the auto focus comments useless the D80 is amazing in low light...

"-one feature I'd really like to see trickle down from the 1D series, and which I think makes a lot of sense in a camera of this class, is the ability to define acceptable ranges for aperture, shutter speed, and ISO sensitivity when shooting in one of the exposure-priority modes." I have to agree

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Katsoulis wrote:
I am not sure I agree with the reviewer either on this point, but
trashing the photography in the way that you have makes it very
difficult to see your point of view.
I didn't choose the photo that was used to 'illustrate' a point. The reviewer did!

If they are going to highlight & criticize a feature of the 40D they feel is insufficient, the responsibility is on them, not me to prove their point with an acceptable example. If it's too difficult to prove...maybe it's because the 'problem' doesn't exist as seriously as they are trying to imply!
I would suggest that the photo posted was the handiest example of a
problem that is probably difficult to show.
Look here is a description from another picture in the article:
"Noise at ISO 1600

In casual testing, the EOS 40D's photos display little noise in shots at ISO 1600. Note that this image has some blur--I shot it handheld at 1/8 second--which can reduce apparent noise.

Photo Credit: Lori Grunin"

Note that every photo used in the article was taken by Lori Grunin (except for the CNET photo lab picture) ....and in the photo description above 'she' uses the personal pronoun 'I' ...which seems to indicate she is the reviewer and provided the photo samples to back up her opinion!
His point is a reasonable, objective criticism, for those
photographer's who want that spot meter as small as possible.
I submit that most users of the 30D and 40D, which both have spot metering, never use it anyway! I will and do...but most wont.
The point of the sample photos is not to produce great art, and given
people's impatience with the speed with which reviews come in, it
should come as no surprise that many of the photos are not national
geographic material. Imagine how long we would be waiting for the
review then?
Your just making excuses for her here. It is the responsibility of the reviewer to be accurate with there analysis since they can effect the popularity/sales of the products they are reviewing. If they are not capable of doing that, they should find another line of work! There is no excuse for incompetence in any line of work ...especially one where you are presenting yourself as an 'expert'!
 

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