Ping Phil

Phileas Fogg said:

I don't know Phil but logic tells me that he only has the power to
ask Canon to supply him with suitable test models. Do you all think
he goes out and buys these cameras? He is at Canon's mercy. If/when
they send him a 40D, 1DmkiII, 1DsmkII then he and his staff will do
their diligent tests. What do you all want him to do if Canon takes
its sweet time to send him cameras to test?

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Phil said that he got the D300 and the 40D about the same time.

But I wonder if he means that he received the production 40D at about the same time as the pre-production D300 because he added images from a pre-production 40D on the 25th of August and he published the D300 preview on the 9th of September.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=24752536

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I'm a Canon user, but it's the truth.

Rob Kircher said:

Phileas Fogg said:

I don't know Phil but logic tells me that he only has the power to
ask Canon to supply him with suitable test models. Do you all think
he goes out and buys these cameras? He is at Canon's mercy. If/when
they send him a 40D, 1DmkiII, 1DsmkII then he and his staff will do
their diligent tests. What do you all want him to do if Canon takes
its sweet time to send him cameras to test?

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Well he has a 1Ds MIII in the photo next to the D3 so I think he's
got at least one. Which BTW was announced before the D3 yet no
review.

But assuming you are correct, he does himself a huge disservice with
the readers by not just acknowledging that fact. If Canon hasn't
provided a camera for testing then tell the reader. Instead the
read was told at one point not long ago that the Mark III was next.
Next after what?

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The 1D Mk III was next after the Leica M8 wasn't it? I think that there may be some issue with that review though because Imaging Resource haven't finished theirs either and they were first out of the blocks.

As for the D3, Phil said that it would be next after the D300 and then he would do the 40D:

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New to posting. I'm an old lurker here. Is that okay? ;-)

All new, 10FPS, 14bit, dual processing with a 3" LCD was interesting way back in February but fell on deaf ears around here. Nikon releases a camera that only real difference is a FF sensor and that's interesting? I'm not sure but it gets a review less then a month after its announcement.

Look this isn't just a Nikon vs. Canon thing. The A700 has more of a write up then the Mark III does.

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mpixel said:

Rob Kircher said:

Phileas Fogg said:

I don't know Phil but logic tells me that he only has the power to
ask Canon to supply him with suitable test models. Do you all think
he goes out and buys these cameras? He is at Canon's mercy. If/when
they send him a 40D, 1DmkiII, 1DsmkII then he and his staff will do
their diligent tests. What do you all want him to do if Canon takes
its sweet time to send him cameras to test?

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Well he has a 1Ds MIII in the photo next to the D3 so I think he's
got at least one. Which BTW was announced before the D3 yet no
review.

But assuming you are correct, he does himself a huge disservice with
the readers by not just acknowledging that fact. If Canon hasn't
provided a camera for testing then tell the reader. Instead the
read was told at one point not long ago that the Mark III was next.
Next after what?

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The 1D Mk III was next after the Leica M8 wasn't it? I think that
there may be some issue with that review though because Imaging
Resource haven't finished theirs either and they were first out of
the blocks.

As for the D3, Phil said that it would be next after the D300 and
then he would do the 40D:

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LOL Yeah just like the MIII was going to be after the M8. ;-)

Look I have no real horse in this race. I've already bought my MIII with out reading a review from Phil but it begins to make one question where his elegance lies and just how unbiased his reviews are. If he's waiting for Canon to fix the AF problems then just come out and state it.

Regarding the D300 and D3 before the 40D, it seems a bit fishy to me that reviews of non existent cameras would be done before a camera that is already on the market, but hey that's just me. ;-)

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and Phil did previews for the Canons too. He just did a so-so job (4-7 pages vs 12 on the Nikon) on them and it was more perfunctory than anything exciting.

That's the way it is; he's a Nikon guy so let him have his fun.

This is the first time since the D1 that Nikon has released an interesting camera (to me). They haven't divulged who makes the sensor yet, so there's still time for Sony to screw it up if they had anything to do with it, but let's just see.

As a consumer of Canon cameras this sites reviews has become no longer useful. I find the forums helpful and entertaining at times.

I have no idea why the reviews are not done but as a consumer who helps makes this site valuable I am disappointed.

The only action I can do is take my interest elsewhere.

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Rob Kircher said:

Well he has a 1Ds MIII in the photo next to the D3 so I think he's
got at least one.

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Yeah, right. And I can send you a photo that 'proves' that I have seven 1Ds Mark III cameras on the shelf right now. Ever heard of this little software package called 'Photoshop' or something like that?...

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Rob Kircher said:

All new, 10FPS, 14bit, dual processing with a 3" LCD was interesting
way back in February but fell on deaf ears around here. Nikon
releases a camera that only real difference is a FF sensor and that's
interesting? I'm not sure but it gets a review less then a month
after its announcement.

Look this isn't just a Nikon vs. Canon thing. The A700 has more of a
write up then the Mark III does.

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What you're forgetting is that Nikon has not released a FF sensor before. They put out all that garbage about all anyone needs was DX, a second tier sensor if there ever was one, and now they finally learned (or sony did) how to make a bigger sensor.

Sorry, but Canon's 1D3 is just not all that exciting to many of us. Assuming the AF issue goes away, it will be a decent camera. Nikon though, on paper has some very nice features that canon lacks, starting with a FF sensor, better live view, better LCD, etc. If I wasn't a long time Canon shooter and I found myself in need of a new (very expensive) camera, I'd probably buy Nikon (IQ aside because we don't know). Nikon just looks better on paper. Can't say I like those Nikon ergonomics though...

Maybe the problem is that Phil has always defended the cropped sensor against the full frame sensor when Nikon didn't have a full frame sensor. Now the Canon sports cameras is cropped, and the Nikon sports camera is full frame, so he needs some time to find a way to explain that now obviously full frame is better than cropped...

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but this site (the review one) was under NDA also not long ago when other sites had leaks from Canon during the embargo...

so the blame goes mainly to the Canon's PR, in my opinion. Let's don't forget that IR and RG had a 1DIII and this site didn't. So the "attitude" at Canon's is still ON.

now it's a personal thing between the site and the readers. The risk of making this site more like a blog than a publication doesn't bother that much the manager (s) of DPReview

still the PR at Canon's made a mistake. But now the site itself is losing credibility.

Johanfoto said:

Rob Kircher said:

Well he has a 1Ds MIII in the photo next to the D3 so I think he's
got at least one.

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Yeah, right. And I can send you a photo that 'proves' that I have
seven 1Ds Mark III cameras on the shelf right now. Ever heard of this
little software package called 'Photoshop' or something like that?...

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Ok so he doesn't have a 1Ds or 1D Mark III or a 40D. Whats so hard about just saying that?

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If you already own/use a Mark3 what do you care what anybody says about it?
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Rob Kircher said:

mpixel said:

Rob Kircher said:

Phileas Fogg said:

I don't know Phil but logic tells me that he only has the power to
ask Canon to supply him with suitable test models. Do you all think
he goes out and buys these cameras? He is at Canon's mercy. If/when
they send him a 40D, 1DmkiII, 1DsmkII then he and his staff will do
their diligent tests. What do you all want him to do if Canon takes
its sweet time to send him cameras to test?

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Well he has a 1Ds MIII in the photo next to the D3 so I think he's
got at least one. Which BTW was announced before the D3 yet no
review.

But assuming you are correct, he does himself a huge disservice with
the readers by not just acknowledging that fact. If Canon hasn't
provided a camera for testing then tell the reader. Instead the
read was told at one point not long ago that the Mark III was next.
Next after what?

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The 1D Mk III was next after the Leica M8 wasn't it? I think that
there may be some issue with that review though because Imaging
Resource haven't finished theirs either and they were first out of
the blocks.

As for the D3, Phil said that it would be next after the D300 and
then he would do the 40D:

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LOL Yeah just like the MIII was going to be after the M8. ;-)

Look I have no real horse in this race. I've already bought my MIII
with out reading a review from Phil but it begins to make one
question where his elegance lies and just how unbiased his reviews
are.

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I was rather surprised that Phil didn't bother to do a preview of the 1D Mk III. So he didn't get info before hand but then on one did this time but the Imaging Resource guys still hustled and got their hands on a unit to do a preview.

Rob Kircher said:

If he's waiting for Canon to fix the AF problems then just
come out and state it.

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I remember that someone at PMA said they asked Canon why Phil hadn't been given a heads up and a camera before the 1D Mk III announcement and apparently the reply was something along the lines that Canon don't consider this site to be relevant to their pro market (I don't remember exactly but that was the gist). True or not? Who knows?

But with no preview (hands on or otherwise) or review and only just an announcement it seems that Phil has made this into a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy in this instance. Anyone looking for decent information on the 1D Mk III will just go elsewhere. Phil didn’t even bother to do a spec sheet.

Rob Kircher said:

Regarding the D300 and D3 before the 40D, it seems a bit fishy to me
that reviews of non existent cameras would be done before a camera
that is already on the market, but hey that's just me. ;-)

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Well I can understand wanting to get the previews of those cameras done before doing a full review of the 40D but in that case I would have expected a full 12 page hands on preview of the 40D to have been posted before the D300 and D3 previews since that camera is already on the streets and will outsell the D300 regardless of any buzz on the forums.

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Jim F. said:

and Phil did previews for the Canons too. He just did a so-so job
(4-7 pages vs 12 on the Nikon) on them and it was more perfunctory
than anything exciting.

That's the way it is; he's a Nikon guy so let him have his fun.

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Pretty funny, people always think Askey is a fan of the other brand, whatever it is. The Nikon guys see Askey as a Canon guy, etc.

Personally, I see no bias in his reviews. I just wish the reviews would come back.

Jim F. said:

This is the first time since the D1 that Nikon has released an
interesting camera (to me). They haven't divulged who makes the
sensor yet, so there's still time for Sony to screw it up if they had
anything to do with it, but let's just see.

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I'm finding this site to be becoming less and less relevant. Several other sites have already posted their reviews of the 40d yet nothing from dpreview. I think by the time he gets around to reviewing it the 50d will be out. It is one thing for him to be upset with canon but not reviewing a camera in a timely manner is doing a great disservice to the readers of this site. Right now it sure does seem he is acting like a whore of Nikon I'm sorry to say. I have read this site for a long time but it really is going down hill fast.

JohnK said:

If you already own/use a Mark3 what do you care what anybody says
about it?

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Curiosity?

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dmanthree said:

Jim F. said:

and Phil did previews for the Canons too. He just did a so-so job
(4-7 pages vs 12 on the Nikon) on them and it was more perfunctory
than anything exciting.

That's the way it is; he's a Nikon guy so let him have his fun.

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Pretty funny, people always think Askey is a fan of the other brand,
whatever it is. The Nikon guys see Askey as a Canon guy, etc.

Personally, I see no bias in his reviews. I just wish the reviews
would come back.

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I don't see any bias either in the written reviews but his silence give the impression of being bias right or wrong.

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